How the internet has amped up AFCism

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Francisco d'Anconia, I like how you broke it down in scales, the further down the more limited the game gets and the less oppertunity for seduction. Text is just information, no form, email has information with wording, phone adds voice to that and finally in person there is your look, touch and bodylanguage.

:yes: That's it in a nutshell.

...You can't find the right words to say? Read books and articles, practice!...

This is really good advice and very simple to do. It's so much easier to talk about things after you have formed an opinion about something; especially when you are confident enough to speak about it and receptive enough to consider the opinions of others.

Here's something to consider about your voice; an easy way to practice vocal tonality is by reading things aloud as if you are telling a story or explaining something to someone. Use inflection to stress a point, change your cadence and tonality so not to sound like a boring drone and use your hands and facial expression to make a personal connection. All of these things will lend itself to enhancing your conversation skills.

 

[WestCoaster]

First off, my point is that the new technology is preventing men -- and young men -- from going through the manhood rite of passage of nutting up and asking out a woman face-to-face. I see high school and college kids deathly afraid of asking out women face to face these days, but are perfectly happy conversing over cyber-space for hours with women who in a real live, face-to-face encounter would have nothing to do with them.

Face to face forces a man to look good, be confident, show eye contact, poise, strong body language, and if he gets rejected, the ability to smile and walk away and go back into battle. All of these things -- eye contact, strong body language and voice -- carry over to the business world, to any profession, to human interaction. Conversing on MySpace doesn't improve squat.

For the record, I do cold approaches and use the internet for dating -- the internet when I'm in a dry spell and the cold approaches aren't going well. So yes, I resort to it because it's freaking easy. Whenever I do use it, I consider that I'm lowering myself a little. I look at my cold approach successes (and failures) as being much more personally satisfying than anyone I've met online the last year.

It's not bad to use both methods, but the first and foremost thing a MAN should do is be able to approach women face to face.

 

[azanon]

It's not bad to use both methods, but the first and foremost thing a MAN should do is be able to approach women face to face.

I don't believe anyone's going to argue otherwise. If i were a single man, I probably wouldnt even bother with the internet for meeting women... ever, unless it was post having met a girl and I was just communicating via email.

The main advantage of the internet and email probably doesn't apply to most people including fully law abiding citizens such as myself; that being the added element of discretion that it offers.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...I used to read to kids to practice this...

A while back I gained the attention of several women in Barnes and Noble when I sat on the stage in the children's section and started reading to the kids, talk about being the center of attention. Made a couple of quick dates afterward.

 

[azanon]

A while back I gained the attention of several women in Barnes and Noble when I sat on the stage in the children's section and started reading to the kids, talk about being the center of attention. Made a couple of quick dates afterward.

Nice! That's probably about as deadly as walking a beach with a cute little puppy.

 

[decades]

technology also helps them Recover from being an AFC much better and faster than a world without it.

 

[WestCoaster]

I'm not saying abandon technology, but it has it's time and place ... like an ice cream sundae. But good grief, it shouldn't be any man's first and last place to meet women. If you don't have the nads to approach in person, you're going to be sh-t on a date, period.

Most singles I know are using Match.com or Yahoo or stupid MySpace as the ONLY way to meet women.

... And the thing is, women play these guys for fools. Cyberspace has given women most -- if not all -- the power.

Use your technology, but in moderation. I'm not very smooth in clubs, but pretty good in meeting women at libraries, bookstores, museums, at the tennis court, and chatting them up at Starbucks. If they brush me off, so be it, I move on.

I did E-Screw-Me-Over (EHarmony) for a month and got matches of women I had nothing in common with and women frankly I wouldn't approach if I saw them face-to-face.

 

[WestCoaster]

Also, I find it extremely exciting and challenging to see an attractive woman and try to chat her up. A photo in cyberspace? That doesn't do much. I've dated chunky gals, thin gals, gorgeous gals, homely gals, cute gals, jocks, glamour, whites, and a number of minorities. I find all of them intriguing and it's the physical attraction and chemistry from meeting them that sparks future dating and possibly relationships. It's fun to eyeball a gal, flirt, have the hope of meeting her and possibly getting a phone number.

Rejection used to floor me many years ago, now I chalk it up as a success that I talked to her.

Cyberspace removes most of that excitement.

 

[Latinoman]

I thank the Internet for many things. For instance it has allowed my generation to be literally in the same physical shape as the younger generation that grew up sitting on their butts playing video games and surfing the net. Yes, the gap between both generations are closed physically speaking. My fun as a kid was playing sports and REAL life girls.

The net, video games, and tv has puszyfied the American male. Some even in my age group.

Many will reach success with net dating. But at the end...success is short lived. You cannot become a masculine being by sitting in your butt. You must face your fears the environment bring.

 

[azanon]

Stick a fork in it, this steak is done! Single guys have no business wasting any significant amount of time trying to game online. In person is a man's domain!

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Nice! That's probably about as deadly as walking a beach with a cute little puppy.

Yeah, unfortunately one was on the catch for a new daddy for her kids; been there, done that, NEXT!

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo Troops,


I agree with the general consensus that "Technological Macking" COULD be used as an excuse to shield some men from the type of brutal rejection that can only be experienced face-to-face.

Now having said that, I will also say that I think there is a lot of presuppositon going on around here. As has been stated before, NEVER assume that because a man uses ANY form of technology that he is somehow "soft" or "inept" when it comes to face-to-face macking.

Most technology, with very few exceptions, are neither good nor bad-----they are neutral. They are just tools, gadgets, or WEAPONS (I would say) that any RESOURCEFUL soldier can use in his war to become successful with women.

The Victory Unlimited Method of Operation:

Listen men, ALL of the women I have gotten over the last TEN years have been through COLD APPROACHES. Since the mid-nineties, NO woman's attractiveness has been enough to intimidate me from approaching her. I have approached women EVERYWHERE.

I have approached women with their moms, during church, while walking down the street, while stuck in traffic, while WITH their boyfriends, and in so many OTHER theatres of "war" that it ain't even funny. And when I approach, I always come at them straight, strong, and hard.

It's all DIRECT GAME all the goddamm time, son. No pusssy ass meek, mild, sheepish Bullshyt, ya heard? And over the years, the more I did it, the better I got AT doing it.

COLD APPROACHING is like a "nut" exercise, troops. The more you do it, THE MORE YOUR BALLS GIT' BIGGER!

Now what is my POINT in telling y'all this? The point is that the technology does NOT make the man-----THE MAN makes the damm technology do what HE wants it to do.

As a masculine guerilla of love, trapped behind enemy lines (the western world in it's present state is a fukking matriarchy), I use WHATEVER weapons I can find to put in my arsenal.

Telephones, Computers, the Internet, Emails, Text Messages, IMs, are all things I USE as "lures" to get women to take the bait-------then I reel them in to experience the power of a full-frontal, face-to-face ONSLAUGHT of ALL the ordinance that I have at my disposal.

And as far a text messages go...I agree that that form of communication can be the MOST limiting. BUT...I have found a way around it:

I don't play the "bytch" game. Anacronyms???? I don't use'em. "Anacronyms? We don't NEED no stinkin' ANACRONYMS..."

In fact, just recently I successfully launched a military strike composed entirely of "cell phone technology" that has caused a woman to break up with her current boyfriend (don't worry, he was just a jerk-assed PLACE KEEPER) just on the "hope" that I'm probably more compatible with her than HE is.

And how did I do this, troops? By lobbing a few select picture message grenades, and by sporadically spraying her with hollow point bullet-like text messages. Except these were text messages composed of FULL words, spaces, cliffhangers, etc-----all written for the purpose of filling her brain with thoughts and images of ME.

Her romantic imagination has done ther rest.

So again, yes, while I agree that the Internet/technology, etc. CAN amp up AFCism, I also KNOW that it depends more on THE MAN using it than anything else.

Look at it THIS way, soldiers. Think of technology the same way you think of money. Money is just a magnifying glass, an AMPLIFIER, if you will.

If a man is an AFC WITHOUT technology, he'll just be MORE of an AFC with it.

But if a man is a forward marching, MASCULINE MAN who's good with women WITHOUT technology, then he'll be even MORE successful WITH it.




March on.

 

[mrRuckus]

If you don't have the nads to approach in person, you're going to be sh-t on a date, period.

Period huh? Every time I see "period" it's always on something untrue.

I always sucked at approaching in the past. I have never ever had trouble on a date even when i was fairly AFC.

In fact I'm not bad at anything pretty much.

The hardest part is getting over the fear that I don't know what to do or say or that I'm going to fail. Actually, I'm not even afraid to fail. I'm afraid of the initialization. Once I am past that i've always been golden. I'm afraid of the awkward situation where i have nothing at all to say.

But you know what? That never actually happens. It's surely never happened on a date. They smile. They laugh. They see me again. We sex. Even when i was scared ****less of approaching... and would never approach.

When put in a sink or swim situation I always swim.... But i hardly am the person throwing me in.

 

[STR8UP]

Bars and clubs are for losers, you can definitely find hot babes to fvck there, but none of them will be much use to you in the longer term.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................

 

[STR8UP]

W. T. F. You're kiddin' me, right? Just because a woman is at a bar she's automatically placed on the Freaknasty chart? Are women viewed differently by men because they enjoy alcoholic beverages, exercising their sexuality or just wanting to 'hookup' like men do? I'm damned to being judged either decent or not decent because I either sit at home like a good girl or am deemed a bad girl because I'm simply AT my favorite bar?

Of course! They are all looking for unspoiled virgins because they are "clean" and "pure" and have more integrity. Those kinds of girls wouldn't be caught dead in a bar. We all know they can only be found in bookstores, cafe's, and supermarkets. Oh yea, and church. Can't forget about church.

 

[jophil28]

Whenever I see that Victory Unlimited has replied I know that I am gonna be entertained and informed for the next five minutes.
I need to give you a hug, man . If that is clear with your CO.

 

[Latinoman]

After reading Blackwidow's post (26 year old female that "loves sex"), I'm willing to bet she received at least 3 private messages. Now...how PATHETIC is that? Yes...desperate and pathetic.

 

[Latinoman]

Women go crazy for it!

Plus there are few things that feel as great as having a little boy look up to you.

For the same token it can open the doors for false accusations by the jealous women or men. The label of "he likes kiddies".

I also like to work with children. But today is VERY hard. My son looks up to me. This other little boy (which mom and grand mom trusts me) also looks up to me. Teaching kids how to hold doors for their sisters and being gentlemen is a great thing. And then teaching them (when they get older) when being a gentleman should not be used is as great.

 

[Latinoman]

By the way I'm very good with emails and it is something I use very well after meeting a woman face to face.

I have used text but avoid accronyms (unless is my daughter) with the same women.

And of course telephone.

But that is AFTER meeting them face to face.

Have I used the net before to get women interested? Yes...when I was leaving my ex-. I was still living there and wanted to see how good I was. And learned that a picture (as some women find me attractive) got things going to the point of getting a few naked pictures too (same women shared normal pictures of them with her kids and friends so I knew that the naked ones were legit). Some were married or involved.

But do you know what? Once I found a place I went back to REAL life. No internet contacts with any woman from the net. I even deleted my email.

Would I use to date? Only if I'm in a dry spell.

 

[azanon]

Great post Victory.