How the game changes based on your looks

[Mission]

Constantly I am being told that I am good looking, or hot, or what have you, which is great and all. However I don't pull in alot of girls, why is this? Shouldn't I, this actually bonafide good looking guy be able to pull in most of the girls I want? The answer is NO!

At first this concept greatly confused me, but more and more I am learning why I have trouble.

Think about that perfect girl you know, you are terribly afraid to talk to her, she walks like a queen, perfect smile, you all know the drill. Well how many guys do you think approach her? Not many, she may know she is hot, but she wants to have friends and be talked to just like everyone else. Now herein lies the dilemna. Do you really want to be with this girl? Do you really want to have sex with her and have people know about it? Think deep, and I think you will find that simply based out outer impression you wouldn't want to. It is a paradox isn't it, but if you think about it, this really makes sense. By getting this girl you cause envy within your own group of friends, do you want to have the girl that EVERY guy wants? Second there is always a nagging fear that she could cheat on you so easily, do you want to put yourself through that emotion?

The truth is you really do not want to worry about it, those of us who actually get into the game realize that even though girls cheat, if you provide for them in the right way there will be no need for them to cheat. This doesn't mean buying them fancy presents or whatnot, just by being a man and being assertive with them you can keep them loyal.

So why do girls pretend not to want to be with that hot guy? It is because they are scared just like you are, they hate the fact that they get attached. The irony is that the hottest guys do not always get the girls they want even though they should. They tend to reel in girls who are high self esteem and do not worry about their guys.

So if you are good looking, remember to adjust your game accordingly, take it down a notch to show them that you are down to earth, be easy and fun to talk to, you don't want the girl to feel nervous in your presence, just think when you are with a hottie you want to say something so bad, but if you can't think of the right words you chicken right out and walk away to protect your ego.

--Mission

 

[lYlasTer]

To expand on this. I feel that good looking guys should watch it with the ****y and funny because girls are a lot more likely to think you're conceited, no matter how funny you are.

Ex. Think of a really hot girl. If you were talking to her all of a sudden she talks about how good looking she is, you'd be thinking "what a *****" right? Won't you like her a lot more if she looked like a goddess, but was real down to earth? Same thing applies to men.

Another thing I think is that good looking men are more rare than good looking women. Simply because a lot of guys could be good looking, but just don't take the time to take care of themselves. Girls on the other hand...

Also don't get me wrong, good looks don't make up for lack of game.

 

[khash]

I agree to both of you guys. I am also a very good looking guy suffering from similiar problems.
I will disagree with one thing though. ****yniess must be there. THe value of social proof is 10 times more important for a good looking guy. When girls feel attraction to a goodlooking guy and he has terrible social proof or is hanging out with a geek, that inner attraction in girls dies, and is quite hard to bring it back.

it also depends on ur game. u fishing for a gf? or just fishing for women to fvck. if you are after the second one, a good looking guy must always be seen with various girls and act combination of ****y and sincere at alternating times to create confusion.

if you are after a gf...well then Im afraid i cant help you there, cuz thats not what Im after at this point in time.

 

[chickenlegs03]

Constantly I am being told that I am good looking, or hot, or what have you, which is great and all. However I don't pull in alot of girls, why is this? Shouldn't I, this actually bonafide good looking guy be able to pull in most of the girls I want? The answer is NO!

At first this concept greatly confused me, but more and more I am learning why I have trouble.

Think about that perfect girl you know, you are terribly afraid to talk to her, she walks like a queen, perfect smile, you all know the drill. Well how many guys do you think approach her? Not many, she may know she is hot, but she wants to have friends and be talked to just like everyone else. Now herein lies the dilemna. Do you really want to be with this girl? Do you really want to have sex with her and have people know about it? Think deep, and I think you will find that simply based out outer impression you wouldn't want to. It is a paradox isn't it, but if you think about it, this really makes sense. By getting this girl you cause envy within your own group of friends, do you want to have the girl that EVERY guy wants? Second there is always a nagging fear that she could cheat on you so easily, do you want to put yourself through that emotion?

The truth is you really do not want to worry about it, those of us who actually get into the game realize that even though girls cheat, if you provide for them in the right way there will be no need for them to cheat. This doesn't mean buying them fancy presents or whatnot, just by being a man and being assertive with them you can keep them loyal.

So why do girls pretend not to want to be with that hot guy? It is because they are scared just like you are, they hate the fact that they get attached. The irony is that the hottest guys do not always get the girls they want even though they should. They tend to reel in girls who are high self esteem and do not worry about their guys.

So if you are good looking, remember to adjust your game accordingly, take it down a notch to show them that you are down to earth, be easy and fun to talk to, you don't want the girl to feel nervous in your presence, just think when you are with a hottie you want to say something so bad, but if you can't think of the right words you chicken right out and walk away to protect your ego.

--Mission

dude...where you at with the approaches?

I've been told I'm good-looking too, been hit on, been approached, etc...but that's gone now in my new town. Some places it seems girls are more open about their sexual desires...but then again, I was told that's all in my head.

Start an approach journal...everyone's doing it :woo:

 

[DonMEgaHoss]

Man...mission you just cleared up alot of stuff. I been told a good number of times that I was handsome and what not. It was effecting my self-esteem like you know your good looking.

For example: I work at a restuarant as a cook.. Theres this one girl hostess like an 7.7897 pretty good. I havent even had a chance to actually exchange names and all.. Im in the back she's in the front. I only have worked with her like 2 or 3 times... I feel the vibes in my gut that she wants to F**K me but before we close up and get a changes she b lined out of there before I even had a chance to mack it with her.. like she stopped for a secound in the kitchen as we where shutting down and like I felt like she wanted to be near me but now that you helped sheld some light on this that she's scared..

And also knowing that girls are insecure about their looks as it is and also are highly competitive when it comes to guys... So they fear losing you to another woman before they even are with the you.

They will protect ther social status by any means possible even if it means loosing out on a handsome guy.. They'll cut off their nose to spite there face. obviously it works both ways... But lean muscular & handsome men are more rare then hot chicks.

I disagree with the post about hanging with geeks to some extent.. I hang out with people from many social groups, I just get along well with people.

From Geeks to jocks, from cow boys to indians ( From the most part )

From the girls that I have been with have been amazed at my diversity...
I have so many hobbies its hard to find time for them. Surfing.Skating. Snowboarding. Kitesurfing.Paintball. Guitar playing. The list goes on.

 

[Socialreject]

I think it's just a matter of common sense that not only your looks but also the woman's looks AFFECT your game...

You can't bust an average looking women like you do a HB10 cause then you are just insulting. You can't come out with a C&F opener that says something about how great your ass look if it actually does... then it's just arrogant and not funny.

Also, something not a lot of guys are aware of...

Women do NOT rate looks the same way that guys do. We (guys) rate people on their major features. When looking at a face we simply rate it hot or not, then perhaps some guys look at specific details, but i doubt many do this, check out the ass, no flaps, no thunder tighs, check check. We reach our conclusion....

WOMAN are like a ****ing x-ray machine when it comes to looks but they more or less "skip" the total picture part and just deduce it all to "if the total picture isn't 'wrong' and everything checks out ok we'll call it HOT". Women will check out your style first and foremost. How are you dressed, how is your hairstyle (do you even have one), is your skin healthy, is your hair healthy, are your teeth healthy. If everything checks out they'll just have a look at the total picture, if it's average they'll call it good looking... if it's pleasing to the eye they will call it anywhere form hot to superhot/handsome. This is also where your attitude comes in, what do your eyes tell them about your mindset etc, your posture. Women look at all these things about a guy and base their total 'rating' on all these little aspects.

I think the point is that, if your appearance and BL is already screaming "i am a confident man who has a life, who is liked and loved by those around me and i'm not looking for affirmation" then there is no need to lay it on extra thick with the C&F routines and what not, just funny will do. You already passed the "is this guy for real?!" sh!t test based on looks alone. Now you just got to show you got something more than just looks aswell... like humor, vision, conversation skills, a heart... etc.

Btw, i've seen PLENTY of guys who thought they were perfect 10's who got a lot less generous rating from women! Why? Because eventhough they were physically 10's, they had no class, no style and bad BL. Women notice all this fairly well and it eats into your score big time. Being good looking is about so much more than simply the body that you were born with... I think it's also important for a guy to be able to "rate" himself acurately from women perspective because it DOES affect your game (quite drastically i would say).

 

[FM 3321]

Interesting. My best female friend is a smoking brunette but she tells me that guys rarely ever approach her. She says guys will look at her and turn away when she looks back at them. I told her it's because they're intimidated by her looks but overall I think it helps to be better looking than not. Personally I know I'll be a much better looking guy if I get my azz in shape so that's why I work out.


And yes....I do want the SMOKING hot girl that makes you melt when you look at her.

 

[NorPacWolf]

Old School: BAFC's; New School: Good Looking Guy Theory

The good looking guy thread has come up more and more frequently. Not just on this board but on other seduction boards such as mystery's and masf. I believe the reason for this is because the seduction community is drawing more and more naturals and socially well adjusted guys than ever before due to the publication of The Game.

Before The Game, the seduction community truly was underground, and only the truly desperate, i.e., extremely socially inept and/or very below average looking guys were seeking help via the internet on this particular topic. Believe me, I know because I encountered some of the most socially awkward and clueless wings conceivable prior to the publication of The Game. After its publication, I met wings who were cool guys, naturals in some cases, who very often were simply out of relationships and wanted to ramp up their already solid game.

This is why the good-looking-guy-game topic is now so common. Before, theories like Mystery Method and David D's ****y/funny theory held incredible currency and weight. Why? The neg and DHV were designed principally to boost the closing odds of average or below average looking guys by allowing them to gain social status very quickly when gaming hot chicks. Clearly, they didn't have looks or natural charisma going for them, so negs and canned DHV stories were quick fixes that often did work in set when implemented properly. Like wise with ****y/funny. Better to be ****y/funny than to supplicate and look like a wimp by nursing your target with free drinks all night long.

But what if you have already demonstrated higher value by being the best or one of the best looking and stylish guys in the room? What if you have solid conversational skills? Then the neg, ****y/funny etc. can all back fire you.

What is happening now is that theories of seduction that were designed primarily to improve the chances of average or below average looking guys are now systematically being questioned and challenged by guys who do not fit the original bill: i.e., the socially inept, conversationally challenged, unfashionable, etc. who constituted the mainstay of seduction boards in the past.

At some point in the near future, a new theory will emerge: good-looking-guy seduction theory or something along those lines. Mystery Method and David D's theory are designed to help socially and physically below average guys. The good looking guy theory is a paradigm shift about to happen.

Wolf

 

[belividere]

Where the hell do all of you "good looking guys" live? I'm probably slightly above average in looks and get hit on at least twice a month by good looking girls. Seriously, without even trying. I also have a lot of good looking guy friends and the same happens to them. Come to think of it the one who is probably the best looking out of all of us never is without a girl. The guys personality is mediocre at best too. In some cases I think you guys might not be as good looking as you think, in others you may have some serious social problems. Sorry to break it to you - but good looks are an advantage and if you aren't capitilizing on them it is due to some other flaw.

And whats with the fairy tale that keeps getting repeated around here as of recent that good looking girls dont get hit on? When really good looking girls say that they dont get hit on they are lying, or just oblivious. What that really means is that they get hit on all the time just not by anyone who they want to get hit on by.

 

[OfficeSpace]

Wow, you guys are all good looking according to your posts. To be honest, I think it is wired in our genes to believe we're beautiful. At least those of us with self esteem...

I always get EC/smiles from girls whenever I go out. Many girls admitted being too afraid to approach me even though they wanted to. As soon as I learned that, it became obvious that I should do the approaching and not wait for the hotties to come, because they probably never will.

Personally, I think I have natural game. Although anyone can improve, I believe some are more gifted at it than others. It's like sports, sure the people on the team can play, but do they all play on the same level or function the same? hell no! There is always room for improvement!

All this crap being sold online about how you can be ugly/fat and still attract beautiful women.. I'm sorry that's bs. The ugly people try to really back this claim up because it's their last shred of hope! Although there are exceptions (money, fame...), most ugly guys don't date beautiful women.

Out of curiosity, guys like David Deangelo, he claims to be such an expert with women. I have yet to see a picture of women he has dated.

 

[Charm]

Here's a tangent to consider:

I've said it before and i'll say it again: The guys who usually have the most female fvck buddys are the ones who have the most casua and intimatel female friends.

Don't let all the "avoid LJBF" scenarios steer you away from having a network of females who you go out with. One of the greatest advantages to any DJs game is having a social circle of female friends who are attractive. Be confident and fun to be around with them, but don't push the sex angle with them.

I've found that this leads to meeting more and more women through the core friends. These women they bring around are dating potential and the fact that you are a cool person to be around (instant social proof) makes hooking up way easier. This entire method of having female friends is most easily accomplished if you have your own place that has a comfortable setup for hanging out, watching movies, relaxing, etc.

On many occasions, i've invited multiple females over for wine and movies where they've brought new friends whom I quickly became aquainted with and in many cases later dated. If you are someone they view as comfortable, sweet and easy to be around, they'll drop their b1tchshields as soon as they enter your front-door.

It works like a Charm and is something I encourage. Look at aquiring female friends in situations where either game has failed or whatnot. My most successful natural DJ friends have used a similar approach and have had success with it.

End of tangent.

 

[DanelMadr]

Check this out.....http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=100572&highlight=handsome

I think good looking guys are stuck between two extrems. They are approached by confident girls and they can have 5s and 6s without much effort.

On the other hand...not so confident girls are highly intimidated and lack of game (not effectively projecting strong personality) make them wussies in the eyes of really hot chicks. When you look perfect, your field skills should be the same or it is disappointment for girls.

Turn down neg hits and c&f....make it confident & playfull better. Turn down challenge a bit. However C&F still works pretty good on really hot chicks and is quite effective but don't overdo.

But....if you look good and have some skills...you will be assumed as Player and classy girls reject you only because of this.

 

[DanelMadr]

Eeeee.....erase the ****y & funny altogether.

I think it is a bad TERM, because when ****y and funny is done right it is not ****y. ****y is saying 'I'm the best...better then you and everybody else' but ****y in way we use it is just teasing and saying 'Im not afraid of you'.


So TERM Confident and Playfull is way much better.

 

[blinkwatt]

Eeeee.....erase the ****y & funny altogether.

I think it is a bad TERM, because when ****y and funny is done right it is not ****y. ****y is saying 'I'm the best...better then you and everybody else' but ****y in way we use it is just teasing and saying 'Im not afraid of you'.


So TERM Confident and Playfull is way much better.

Iam always busting on girls with boyfriends,by putting myself higher then their boyfriends. HB,"but I love my boyfriend", me "What, I thought you knew that he is only a temporary fix till you are ready to handle me". I always put myself in a higher position then everyone else and girls are always playfully kinoing it up with me. I would say only about 10% do not like it,but hey its who Iam.

 

[DanelMadr]

Iam always busting on girls with boyfriends,by putting myself higher then their boyfriends. HB,"but I love my boyfriend", me "What, I thought you knew that he is only a temporary fix till you are ready to handle me". I always put myself in a higher position then everyone else and girls are always playfully kinoing it up with me. I would say only about 10% do not like it,but hey its who Iam.

It's risky man. Do they dump their boyfriend because of you? Maybe they think...'aaaah cute jerk lets have a fun a little bit'. What a hell I know, you know better. All I wanted to say....****y is when you are full of yourself. ****y&Funny is something brand new but still risky.

I would say to her: ' I thought girls love chocolate, soap operas and gay moviestars.' If girl start to talk about her boyfriend, it's better to ignore it.

 

[blinkwatt]

It's risky man. Do they dump their boyfriend because of you?

Funny you say that,two weeks ago I had this chick who I knew for 5 days crying because she couldnt choose between me or her boyfriend of a year. I probably hit on women who are "locked up" more then I should. My sarging buddy and I say "is there a ring on her finger?",if not then sarge on.

The way you can look at it would be,if you can take someone from a relationship did the relationship mean anything in the first place?- "If you set a bird free and it doesnt come back then it was never yours to begin with"

 

[DanelMadr]

"If you set a bird free and it doesnt come back then it was never yours to begin with"

Women are like monkeys...they have to grip a branch before they let go of another. Girls making decisions who to date and telling you about it? Drama queens, imature, playing games with you....sounds to me like that, sorry. If they are really inerested, they are very dicreet.

 

[OfficeSpace]

But....if you look good and have some skills...you will be assumed as Player and classy girls reject you only because of this.

I couldn't agree more bro! You get points for that post! lol

 

[Aerospace]

Being handsome, I've got the same problem...



No, seriously... at the end it's all about confidence. If even you good looking guys face this kind of issues, it must be true that looks aren't what takes p*ssy home... by the way let's avoid this 'beautiful girls are shy and alone' thinking fashion because we all know that 95% of the time they are shallow, mono-dimensional wh*res that only follow stupid things like looks or popularity.

 

[DanelMadr]

Being handsome, I've got the same problem...



No, seriously... at the end it's all about confidence. If even you good looking guys face this kind of issues, it must be true that looks aren't what takes p*ssy home... by the way let's avoid this 'beautiful girls are shy and alone' thinking fashion because we all know that 95% of the time they are shallow, mono-dimensional wh*res that only follow stupid things like looks or popularity.

Yeah you are right...confidence is a key, but let me say....achieved true confidence not the mumbo jumbo 'i know it all now' one.
but
Good looks can get you laid without any effort....with some 5 and 6 girls max.
and
Like we assume hot babes are b1tches and they have to prove opposite....good looking guys have to prove, they are not shallow, mono-dimensional players......