How the decline in casual dinning parallels a man’s struggles in modern dating

[corrector]

@sangheilios is a decent looking guy facially, above average, I think he’s over groomed and looks camp, especially the eyebrows. Well put together. However he has a great physique I think top 5% and if I remember rightly he’s over 6 foot.

I believe my advice to him years ago upon seeing the pics was he does give gay vibes irl. Because I don’t really know why he can’t find a good looking women. The other option is his attitude and personality suck irl which I told him before and he accused me to hating on him or trolling. I have a good memory I think the above is correct.

Thanks for vouching about his face.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

You're a complete fool if you buy into any of the stuff that particular poster has been claiming. Keep telling yourself that you can be 40+ and be slaying attractive women, particularly those in their 20s, left and right lol. I have news for you, you are going to be in for a rough time if you delude yourself into believing this phony baloney nonsense.

You have it twisted. The delusion or fantasy is that you can't.

 

[corrector]

Your point? A guy can be gorgeous and he’s going to get some leg from chicks that just want to be with a hot guy. But if he has other iniquities it will affect his ability to attract and retain the interest of women.

I get what you are saying. @sangheilios is not hopeless. He's just not getting the types of girls he likes, such as 19 year old hot girls like you are. But is getting 2-3 points lower SMV post-wall/or non-White (ie which he doesn't want to date) women because of hypergamy and his other deficients that make him undatable to his looksmatch or better.

As @Hamurabimbi pointed out, gymmaxxing worked for him and made all the difference in the world.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Who else but women would ultimately determine your value in the sexual marketplace?

Frame fail.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I get what you are saying. @sangheilios is not hopeless. He's just not getting the types of girls he likes, such as 19 year old hot girls like you are.

To clarify I’m not actively getting 20-something’s. I have about 4-5 years ago.

 

[BeExcellent]

I have a buddy in Vegas who dates legit hot 21-25 year olds in Las Vegas. He's 5'8, and average looking with a bit of a dad bod. He has nice eyes, a small nose and is always mischievious. He's 55 and dates like Leo. Throw them back after 25. He's extremely smart and could sell ice to penguins in Antartica. He does not care what anyone thinks. He's made a success of himself in the industry in LV and knows everyone. Women are no issue for him.

His personality, wit NFG attitude and smarts more than compensate for what he lacks in height & looks. He's got a twinkle in his eye & always looks like the cat who ate the canary.

Many people here vastly, and I mean VASTLY underestimate the power of people skills & personality. And it's something within an individual's power to change.

 

[corrector]

I have a buddy in Vegas who dates legit hot 21-25 year olds in Las Vegas. He's 5'8, and average looking with a bit of a dad bod. He has nice eyes, a small nose and is always mischievious. He's 55 and dates like Leo. Throw them back after 25. He's extremely smart and could sell ice to penguins in Antartica. He does not care what anyone thinks. He's made a success of himself in the industry in LV and knows everyone. Women are no issue for him.

His personality, wit NFG attitude and smarts more than compensate for what he lacks in height & looks. He's got a twinkle in his eye & always looks like the cat who ate the canary.

Many people here vastly, and I mean VASTLY underestimate the power of people skills & personality. And it's something within an individual's power to change.

Let him try that in Toronto.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I have a buddy in Vegas who dates legit hot 21-25 year olds in Las Vegas. He's 5'8, and average looking with a bit of a dad bod. He has nice eyes, a small nose and is always mischievious. He's 55 and dates like Leo. Throw them back after 25. He's extremely smart and could sell ice to penguins in Antartica. He does not care what anyone thinks. He's made a success of himself in the industry in LV and knows everyone. Women are no issue for him.

His personality, wit NFG attitude and smarts more than compensate for what he lacks in height & looks. He's got a twinkle in his eye & always looks like the cat who ate the canary.

Many people here vastly, and I mean VASTLY underestimate the power of people skills & personality. And it's something within an individual's power to change.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

The main problem is not that they underestimate, they overestimate other factors that are easier for them to pursue, like their incessant gymmaxxing, thinking a hot body compensates for having no people skills or personality.

Or they excuse something as only working in a certain location and not in others. Like a bustling metropolis will have a higher ratio of 'hot young' women. Maybe, but it's mostly about someone's 'vibe'. I have no doubt that what works for me in Amsterdam would work in other Western European capitals. Probably not in American cities, because the culture is too different. Probably not in Asia either, because I'd be too weird for their culture too.

Most men lie to themselves twice regarding gymmaxxing.

First they tell themselves that it's for themselves and not for women, secondly they lie again to themselves that its for women while in truth it was for themselves.

Most gym bros are very likely to drop women to pursue the gym than the other way around.

Many "mgtows" in my opinions just want to have a certain day schedule and women are not compatible with it in terms of time, spending, drinking and sleep patterns.

 

[Knight of Roses]

No offense but I think this post is BS

First of, why are you seemingly placing women on the position of power? Most of these women provide nothing but recycled p3ssy. So of course men are only going to give them d1ck in return.

And I think only the hottest of women can ignore the ramifications of the wall. Most 8/10 and lower will become undesirable in their 30s if they haven’t locked down Beta Bob. I’ve spent 38 years on this Earth. I’ve seen a lot of beautiful women in my teens and twenties who I can’t even stand to look at now when they’re pushing 40.

 

[SW15]

Many people here vastly, and I mean VASTLY underestimate the power of people skills & personality.

He's made a success of himself in the industry in LV and knows everyone.

Personality is the least important of the 4 factors of Game (looks, money, status, and personality).

Your 55 year old social connection is getting laid with 20 somethings more on money and status than personality. He probably have some decent personality attributes. A strong personality alone could get a 5'8", 55 year old man a decent menopausal age girlfriend. Personality isn't going to get a man a large age gap, especially with a mediocre body and unimpressive height.

There's an argument that his people skills and personality got him the money & status.

Someone like that also has a social circle and doesn't need to approach strangers as much.

I’ve seen a lot of beautiful women in my teens and twenties who I can’t even stand to look at now when they’re pushing 40.

One of the best looking women in my high school had a substantial amount of gray hair before her 35th birthday.

I've seen some of the more attractive women from my "Hot Girl U" college have their looks substantially decline between ages 30-40. This is more of the rule than the exception. A lot of attractive women have children between 25-39. Motherhood affects their looks negatively.

 

[corrector]

Many "mgtows" in my opinions just want to have a certain day schedule and women are not compatible with it in terms of time, spending, drinking and sleep patterns.

That is exactly how I feel, but I'm not "mgtow" though, I just have a hard set-up and I can't attract women that way.

 

[BeExcellent]

My friend in Vegas, who has been a friend since we dated in college, has always had magnificent people skills. I've known him since we were both 21. Before Vegas, before marriage, etc. Over 30 years. So much more than a "social connection". I think that he also has kink inclinations that he has gotten into over the years and is similar to the Dutchman in that way although I don't think he is into the same discipline.

He was a married to a Penthouse centerfold the first time he got married. His second wife was also very pretty (and substantially younger). She is a PA so very smart in addition.

The thing he excels at is building emotional connections with women. He likes to figure them out and there is his skill because as he figures them out he learns what it will take to seduce them.

He does not get used for connections or money by anyone trust me. He is the master of the game, is smarter than most everyone else (IQ and EQ) and typically holds all the cards.

He doesn't settle and has used his intelligence and emotional calibration to succeed. This without finishing college. It's never been an impediment to him.

If he wanted a similar age GF he'd have one. He is an outlier in every way. The canned stats & generalizations by @SW15 do not apply to him. They never have.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Yes, your dry spell and frustration with women is similar to why Red Lobster filed bankruptcy. How so?

The food's awful at RL, just as the oversaturation of Julia Fox-worshipping airheads amongst us always outnumber the number of high-quality chicks roaming the globe

This is the X/Y version of the lament women have been uttering since the beginning of time: "Most guys are just overgrown adolescents... You have to really search around to find a first-rate man"

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I think that is mainly the "I'm too busy to approach/date women'- coping mechanism, a self-inflicted martyrdom.
If you really want something, you will find the time to do it. If you 'cannot find the time', you just don't want it enough.

We do agree 100% here.

That's why many men find the time to hit the gym despite the current culture and environment but not to date.
Many men actually given a reason, would rather cut on socializing rather than sport or physical activities.

I find this to happen rarely in young guys but increasing in guys 30 and above gradually.

No offense but I think this post is BS

First of, why are you seemingly placing women on the position of power? Most of these women provide nothing but recycled p3ssy. So of course men are only going to give them d1ck in return.

And I think only the hottest of women can ignore the ramifications of the wall. Most 8/10 and lower will become undesirable in their 30s if they haven’t locked down Beta Bob. I’ve spent 38 years on this Earth. I’ve seen a lot of beautiful women in my teens and twenties who I can’t even stand to look at now when they’re pushing 40.

Can totally relate.

Last summer I was having some happy hour with an old friend that despite her age is still doable and some of her friends which were kinda hot 10 yrs ago but now look like the stereotypical human resources from a sit com.

 

[Solomon]

My friend in Vegas, who has been a friend since we dated in college, has always had magnificent people skills. I've known him since we were both 21. Before Vegas, before marriage, etc. Over 30 years. So much more than a "social connection". I think that he also has kink inclinations that he has gotten into over the years and is similar to the Dutchman in that way although I don't think he is into the same discipline.

He was a married to a Penthouse centerfold the first time he got married. His second wife was also very pretty (and substantially younger). She is a PA so very smart in addition.

The thing he excels at is building emotional connections with women. He likes to figure them out and there is his skill because as he figures them out he learns what it will take to seduce them.

He does not get used for connections or money by anyone trust me. He is the master of the game, is smarter than most everyone else (IQ and EQ) and typically holds all the cards.

He doesn't settle and has used his intelligence and emotional calibration to succeed. This without finishing college. It's never been an impediment to him.

If he wanted a similar age GF he'd have one. He is an outlier in every way. The canned stats & generalizations by @SW15 do not apply to him. They never have.

I've noticed on this forum people tend to generalize because it's politically correct or push back because since they do not see someone like @BackInTheGame78 for example IRL have that success they think it's cap so it's easier to call Bull**** or project. Empirical evidence does not factor in the fact that when you're dealing with women you're dealing with X factors of variables that can't be quantified i.e. a woman will smash Chad one day buy next week before her period will smash a guy with a dad bod or a chubby guy. The smoke show got cheated on by Chad so now she wants to date an average or nerdy guy , the girl who likes anime and has daddy issues etc.

Empirical data especially when it comes to dating isn't always accurate and also trends change on a whim. I used to think like a lot of guys here when I had a lack off success due to lack of seeing the reall world and scarcity mindset etc. The more I level up the more I realize a lot of guys don't know what they are talking about or just regurating redpill talking points. The 5'2 pilot for example has women all over the world, the only thing he spends on them is croissants and coffee but let one of these guys tell it, "it's not possible and he pays girls to fucc" when I know some of these girls personally. Who are not in need of money especially from a guy who is 5'2 pilot. Having EQ and being a great conversationalist isn't talked about a lot on this forum hence the weird obsession with looks, money and status. If you're a 55 year old guy dating 20 year olds you gotta be able to do that if you want them to stay around heck I would reckon even if you're 35 dating a girl in her early 20s cause there is such a gap in reliability. Money alone won't keep her around unless she is a sugar baby or a hooker lmfaooo

However, guys just divert back to looks,money and status cause that redpill trope is all they know. Go out in the real world and talk to women you will see that women aren't a monolith and a lot of women crave stimulating conversation, with someone who is not a doormat and can make her think and challenge her. That is something you cannot quantify in stats!

Like I said there a lot of autistic guys on this forum this is why they rant of stats a lot because that;s the only way they can cope with the reality of their lack of success with the opposite sex

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I've noticed on this forum people tend to generalize because it's politically correct or push back because since they do not see someone like @BackInTheGame78 for example IRL have that success they think it's cap so it's easier to call Bull**** or project. Empirical evidence does not factor in the fact that when you're dealing with women you're dealing with X factors of variables that can't be quantified i.e. a woman will smash Chad one day buy next week before her period will smash a guy with a dad bod or a chubby guy. The smoke show got cheated on by Chad so now she wants to date an average or nerdy guy , the girl who likes anime and has daddy issues etc.

Empirical data especially when it comes to dating isn't always accurate and also trends change on a whim. I used to think like a lot of guys here when I had a lack off success due to lack of seeing the reall world and scarcity mindset etc. The more I level up the more I realize a lot of guys don't know what they are talking about or just regurating redpill talking points. The 5'2 pilot for example has women all over the world, the only thing he spends on them is croissants and coffee but let one of these guys tell it, "it's not possible and he pays girls to fucc" when I know some of these girls personally. Who are not in need of money especially from a guy who is 5'2 pilot. Having EQ and being a great conversationalist isn't talked about a lot on this forum hence the weird obsession with looks, money and status. If you're a 55 year old guy dating 20 year olds you gotta be able to do that if you want them to stay around heck I would reckon even if you're 35 dating a girl in her early 20s cause there is such a gap in reliability. Money alone won't keep her around unless she is a sugar baby or a hooker lmfaooo

However, guys just divert back to looks,money and status cause that redpill trope is all they know. Go out in the real world and talk to women you will see that women aren't a monolith and a lot of women crave stimulating conversation, with someone who is not a doormat and can make her think and challenge her. That is something you cannot quantify in stats!

Like I said there a lot of autistic guys on this forum this is why they rant of stats a lot because that;s the only way they can cope with the reality of their lack of success with the opposite sex

I keep trying to tell people that knowing how to be conversational about a wide variety of topics and ACTUALLY being interested in a woman and what they are talking about and then asking follow up questions on the topic that she gives you nearly endless lead in questions about other things you can ask about is like a magic wand for women feeling comfortable and enjoying being around you because it's such a rare quality in a man these days...it has to do with a "vibe" that can't really be understood exactly why or how but its just there and it's felt and they like feeling it and they want more of it.

But nobody wants to hear it because it doesn't have to do with being over 6 foot tall or being an 8+ in looks or being rich.

Being interesting, fun to talk to and fun to be around will get you a lot farther than you think, but you actually have to LIKE women for that to happen and LIKE interacting with them. The problem so many guys have here is they genuinely HATE women and are doing what they do to "get back at them" for all the pain they have caused them in their life and that's never going to work to get what you want because it's coming from the wrong place internally.

When you are coming from a place of negativity and anger you get that returned right back. That's the way of the universe, the energy you put out there is the same energy that is returned to you, usually many times over. You reap what you sow, same concept.

When you are coming from a place of negativity you have already stopped yourself from succeeding before anything has even happened.

Believe it or don't, it doesn't matter to me, but that's the honest truth, as uncomfortable as it is to hear it for many. Your mentality and mindset is what is causing you to fail, nothing else. You believe all this negative stuff to be true so your mind finds a way to make it your reality. I'm not burdened by any of that. I feel I am awesome and any women would be lucky to be with me and the more they get to know me the more they will like me.

Like in Remember the Titans when he is talking about the Veer offense , I've actually used that line with women who I could tell were on the fence about me jokingly...

"I'm like Novocaine...just give me a little time, I always work."

More often than not they laughed and told me "Well someone's confident in themselves!" and some of them ended up finding out for themselves.

That's the reality that I live in. The one where I believe I can do anything I want to do and then I go after it tirelessly, relentlessly and passionately until I get it. The same way I became a software engineer at age 40 by teaching myself and getting hired with no experience professionally and no Computer Science degree. I apply that same concept to everything I do in life.

If I set my sights on a goal, I pursue it relentlessly and quite honestly obsessively until I reach it or die trying and I don't allow any amount of failures to discourage me or stop me from continued pursuit of it. And trust me there are a lot of failures along the way, but those are what lead to success. People would do well to recognize that. Failures shouldn't be feared, they should be embraced as your greatest teacher as long as you are willing to change and learn from them.