How the decline in casual dinning parallels a man’s struggles in modern dating

[corrector]

The thread went of the rails.

Just another Tuesday at Sosuave dude.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Not that it makes a difference to me, but that poster is a troll that completely makes stories up on here, which clearly is a very common issue with this forum. If living out these strange fantasy worlds on here makes these individuals feel better about themselves, I really have no issues with it. I don't have to buy into the nonsense, but it makes absolutely no sense to me why anyone feels the need to do this. I feel sorry for some of these posters, they need legitimate help.

Awww cmon you’re just pissed about - oh hell, so many things…do you need a hug?

It’s tough having your hard held beliefs about everything happening to you instead of you being the common variable in all situations be challenged. I get it, but then again I have life experiences you do not. It’s ok. I still love ya boo.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

If living out these strange fantasy worlds on here makes these individuals feel better about themselves, I really have no issues with it.
I don't have to buy into the nonsense, but it makes absolutely no sense to me why anyone feels the need to do this.
I feel sorry for some of these posters, they need legitimate help.

I didn't read anywhere that you have to buy into anybody else's reality. Your reality is real to you, but quite unreal to me. I think that other members feel the same way about my reality.

You 'feel sorry' for these posters, but only because you cannot conceive of the idea that people live in different realities.

If you really 'had no issues with it', you wouldn't even wonder 'why anyone needs to do this'. You'd understand that many people lie to themselves to protect themselves emotionally by taking a perspective that protects their reality, even if that reality is skewed to make them feel better about themselves. Maybe you're getting so belligerent and dismissive because you recognise yourself in their behaviour.

 

[corrector]

Awww cmon you’re just pissed about - oh hell, so many things…do you need a hug?

It’s tough having your hard held beliefs about everything happening to you instead of you being the common variable in all situations be challenged. I get it, but then again I have life experiences you do not. It’s ok. I still love ya boo.

He goes to the gym and has gymmaxxed and lookmaxxed.

 

[Murk]

@sangheilios is a decent looking guy facially, above average, I think he’s over groomed and looks camp, especially the eyebrows. Well put together. However he has a great physique I think top 5% and if I remember rightly he’s over 6 foot.

I believe my advice to him years ago upon seeing the pics was he does give gay vibes irl. Because I don’t really know why he can’t find a good looking women. The other option is his attitude and personality suck irl which I told him before and he accused me to hating on him or trolling. I have a good memory I think the above is correct.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

He goes to the gym and has gymmaxxed and lookmaxxed.

Your point? A guy can be gorgeous and he’s going to get some leg from chicks that just want to be with a hot guy. But if he has other iniquities it will affect his ability to attract and retain the interest of women.

 

[corrector]

@sangheilios is a decent looking guy facially, above average, I think he’s over groomed and looks camp, especially the eyebrows. Well put together. However he has a great physique I think top 5% and if I remember rightly he’s over 6 foot.

I believe my advice to him years ago upon seeing the pics was he does give gay vibes irl. Because I don’t really know why he can’t find a good looking women. The other option is his attitude and personality suck irl which I told him before and he accused me to hating on him or trolling. I have a good memory I think the above is correct.

Thanks for vouching about his face.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

You're a complete fool if you buy into any of the stuff that particular poster has been claiming. Keep telling yourself that you can be 40+ and be slaying attractive women, particularly those in their 20s, left and right lol. I have news for you, you are going to be in for a rough time if you delude yourself into believing this phony baloney nonsense.

You have it twisted. The delusion or fantasy is that you can't.

 

[corrector]

Your point? A guy can be gorgeous and he’s going to get some leg from chicks that just want to be with a hot guy. But if he has other iniquities it will affect his ability to attract and retain the interest of women.

I get what you are saying. @sangheilios is not hopeless. He's just not getting the types of girls he likes, such as 19 year old hot girls like you are. But is getting 2-3 points lower SMV post-wall/or non-White (ie which he doesn't want to date) women because of hypergamy and his other deficients that make him undatable to his looksmatch or better.

As @Hamurabimbi pointed out, gymmaxxing worked for him and made all the difference in the world.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Who else but women would ultimately determine your value in the sexual marketplace?

Frame fail.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I get what you are saying. @sangheilios is not hopeless. He's just not getting the types of girls he likes, such as 19 year old hot girls like you are.

To clarify I’m not actively getting 20-something’s. I have about 4-5 years ago.

 

[BeExcellent]

I have a buddy in Vegas who dates legit hot 21-25 year olds in Las Vegas. He's 5'8, and average looking with a bit of a dad bod. He has nice eyes, a small nose and is always mischievious. He's 55 and dates like Leo. Throw them back after 25. He's extremely smart and could sell ice to penguins in Antartica. He does not care what anyone thinks. He's made a success of himself in the industry in LV and knows everyone. Women are no issue for him.

His personality, wit NFG attitude and smarts more than compensate for what he lacks in height & looks. He's got a twinkle in his eye & always looks like the cat who ate the canary.

Many people here vastly, and I mean VASTLY underestimate the power of people skills & personality. And it's something within an individual's power to change.

 

[corrector]

I have a buddy in Vegas who dates legit hot 21-25 year olds in Las Vegas. He's 5'8, and average looking with a bit of a dad bod. He has nice eyes, a small nose and is always mischievious. He's 55 and dates like Leo. Throw them back after 25. He's extremely smart and could sell ice to penguins in Antartica. He does not care what anyone thinks. He's made a success of himself in the industry in LV and knows everyone. Women are no issue for him.

His personality, wit NFG attitude and smarts more than compensate for what he lacks in height & looks. He's got a twinkle in his eye & always looks like the cat who ate the canary.

Many people here vastly, and I mean VASTLY underestimate the power of people skills & personality. And it's something within an individual's power to change.

Let him try that in Toronto.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I have a buddy in Vegas who dates legit hot 21-25 year olds in Las Vegas. He's 5'8, and average looking with a bit of a dad bod. He has nice eyes, a small nose and is always mischievious. He's 55 and dates like Leo. Throw them back after 25. He's extremely smart and could sell ice to penguins in Antartica. He does not care what anyone thinks. He's made a success of himself in the industry in LV and knows everyone. Women are no issue for him.

His personality, wit NFG attitude and smarts more than compensate for what he lacks in height & looks. He's got a twinkle in his eye & always looks like the cat who ate the canary.

Many people here vastly, and I mean VASTLY underestimate the power of people skills & personality. And it's something within an individual's power to change.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

His personality, wit NFG attitude and smarts more than compensate for what he lacks in height & looks. He's got a twinkle in his eye & always looks like the cat who ate the canary.

Many people here vastly, and I mean VASTLY underestimate the power of people skills & personality. And it's something within an individual's power to change.

The main problem is not that they underestimate, they overestimate other factors that are easier for them to pursue, like their incessant gymmaxxing, thinking a hot body compensates for having no people skills or personality.

Or they excuse something as only working in a certain location and not in others. Like a bustling metropolis will have a higher ratio of 'hot young' women. Maybe, but it's mostly about someone's 'vibe'. I have no doubt that what works for me in Amsterdam would work in other Western European capitals. Probably not in American cities, because the culture is too different. Probably not in Asia either, because I'd be too weird for their culture too.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

The main problem is not that they underestimate, they overestimate other factors that are easier for them to pursue, like their incessant gymmaxxing, thinking a hot body compensates for having no people skills or personality.

Or they excuse something as only working in a certain location and not in others. Like a bustling metropolis will have a higher ratio of 'hot young' women. Maybe, but it's mostly about someone's 'vibe'. I have no doubt that what works for me in Amsterdam would work in other Western European capitals. Probably not in American cities, because the culture is too different. Probably not in Asia either, because I'd be too weird for their culture too.

Most men lie to themselves twice regarding gymmaxxing.

First they tell themselves that it's for themselves and not for women, secondly they lie again to themselves that its for women while in truth it was for themselves.

Most gym bros are very likely to drop women to pursue the gym than the other way around.

Many "mgtows" in my opinions just want to have a certain day schedule and women are not compatible with it in terms of time, spending, drinking and sleep patterns.

 

[Knight of Roses]

No offense but I think this post is BS

First of, why are you seemingly placing women on the position of power? Most of these women provide nothing but recycled p3ssy. So of course men are only going to give them d1ck in return.

And I think only the hottest of women can ignore the ramifications of the wall. Most 8/10 and lower will become undesirable in their 30s if they haven’t locked down Beta Bob. I’ve spent 38 years on this Earth. I’ve seen a lot of beautiful women in my teens and twenties who I can’t even stand to look at now when they’re pushing 40.

 

[SW15]

Many people here vastly, and I mean VASTLY underestimate the power of people skills & personality.

He's made a success of himself in the industry in LV and knows everyone.

Personality is the least important of the 4 factors of Game (looks, money, status, and personality).

Your 55 year old social connection is getting laid with 20 somethings more on money and status than personality. He probably have some decent personality attributes. A strong personality alone could get a 5'8", 55 year old man a decent menopausal age girlfriend. Personality isn't going to get a man a large age gap, especially with a mediocre body and unimpressive height.

There's an argument that his people skills and personality got him the money & status.

Someone like that also has a social circle and doesn't need to approach strangers as much.

I’ve seen a lot of beautiful women in my teens and twenties who I can’t even stand to look at now when they’re pushing 40.

One of the best looking women in my high school had a substantial amount of gray hair before her 35th birthday.

I've seen some of the more attractive women from my "Hot Girl U" college have their looks substantially decline between ages 30-40. This is more of the rule than the exception. A lot of attractive women have children between 25-39. Motherhood affects their looks negatively.

 

[corrector]

Many "mgtows" in my opinions just want to have a certain day schedule and women are not compatible with it in terms of time, spending, drinking and sleep patterns.

That is exactly how I feel, but I'm not "mgtow" though, I just have a hard set-up and I can't attract women that way.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Many "mgtows" in my opinions just want to have a certain day schedule and women are not compatible with it in terms of time, spending, drinking and sleep patterns.

I think that is mainly the "I'm too busy to approach/date women'- coping mechanism, a self-inflicted martyrdom.
If you really want something, you will find the time to do it. If you 'cannot find the time', you just don't want it enough.