How much do looks matter

[Dr_jitsu]

I can see your point about congruence here. A woman might get the ick over it. It depends on the context of the interaction.

I have 2 acquaintances that are STEM guys who have experienced some success in the mating environment. They were STEM majors in academia and have had STEM roles since graduation. I have indirectly mentioned both in "Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere".

The first one is around 5'11"-6'0", has had good facial aesthetics, and has been fit in the 12+ years I've known him. He could legitimately be called a 'Chad Lite'. I think many people would rate his looks in the 7-8 range, including someone like Wheat Waffles who rates looks on a regular basis. When I first met him, he was struggling to get poontang despite his solid looks and above average income as a 20 something from a STEM role. He got into some 6 month mini relationship. Soon after that, he got together with a different woman from a social circle setup. This was a woman I had interest in as well. A couple months before they got together, I had attempted to seduce her with my charisma at a private residence party. I don't think any of our mutual acquaintances had hyped me up to her. Although my charisma was there that night, everything was falling flat with her.

My STEM role acquaintance and this woman do get together and then eventually get married. They've been together over 10 years now and have children together. When they first met, her looks were average range to slightly cute by most men's ratings. I likely would have rated her in the low 6s at that point.

She is about 2 years older than he is. Despite the fact that he has good looks, it is possible that his STEM status cost him and he had to settle for an older woman. Additionally, she did not have sex with him that quickly. It took multiple months before they had sex for the first time. Seducers on this forum would not have waited that long for her pussie. The interaction has been blue pilled throughout its entirety.

The second STEM role acquaintance has a similar height. His physique is a little less shredded but its arguable that he has better facial aesthetics. I doubt that anyone would rate him an 8, but I could see Wheat Waffles and other guys rating him around a 7-7.5.

When I first met him in 2013, he was already in a relationship with the woman who is now his wife. He met her on a cold approach at a bar. I think he got to sex faster than the first guy mentioned. The woman's looks are similar to the woman in the first example, though I think the woman from the first example has a better face. This guy was able to seduce a woman slightly younger than he is off of a cold approach at a bar. In the ensuing years since 2013, her looks have dropped off somewhat but not that badly. She is a careerist woman who was in the middle of an advanced degree program (in a STEM field) when they first met.

The second example guy talking STEM stuff to the second example woman with a STEM bachelor's degree (and later a STEM master's degree) is probably why that worked. It is unknown how strong of a seducer he was prior to meeting his current girlfriend. I'm guessing he had around 1-2 notches from longer term girlfriends in the past. I've not directly ever talked with him about seduction topics.



Yes, that's true. I do not recommend most men discuss things STEM related or politics related in initial real life approaches or early stage dates.

After sex, it's possible to discuss those topics. Those will detract from looks advantages. Looks are more important than personality but this personality factor would not help.



In terms of men with bachelor's degrees, men with business and social science/liberal arts degrees are going to be better conversationalists than men with STEM degrees.

Men with bachelor's degrees are more likely to be interacting with women with bachelor's degrees.

The men with high school diplomas and trade level certifications are more likely to be interacting with women with high school diplomas and trade certifications.

Great post. I am only replying to/about the first guy. Dating an older woman and waiting months for sex is just insanity. Especially a good looking guy with a good career. Just shows you how important game and mindset are. I would have had him running endless rotations and banging everything and then marrying a much younger 8 plus. He would have gotten similar outcomes from following the wise posters on this forum.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

You are better off avoiding STEM and politics because these are the biggest pvssy driers known to man.

Correct. I hold a PhD in Political Science and NEVER talked politics. Even after 18 years of marriage I stay away from it. My wife works in an extremely far left environment (several of her employees are trans for example and she can get fired if she misgenders them) and she comes home daily with these outrageous TDS filed ideas. I am not a huge Trump supporter, I just tell my wife how Democrat policy exacerbated inflation and lately how Trumps tariffs may do they same.

But these conversations NEVER help our relationship.

 

[SW15]

I am only replying to/about the first guy. Dating an older woman and waiting months for sex is just insanity. Especially a good looking guy with a good career. Just shows you how important game and mindset are. I would have had him running endless rotations and banging everything and then marrying a much younger 8 plus. He would have gotten similar outcomes from following the wise posters on this forum.

I didn't realize that he waited months for sex from her until multiple years into their relationship.

I had wondered why she didn't go for me when I attempted to seduce her. She must have perceived that I was not going to wait for sex. It probably would not have been good had I gone out on dates with her. I think we would have realized a mismatch very quickly.

I think he did underachieve in his single life. He could have done everything you said. His wife seems okay. Despite her being in social circle, I have never gotten to know her well. Their relationship has lasted 10+ years at this point and the marriage is coming up on 10 years long.

If he had "game and mindset" as you put it, I don't think he would have married a woman 2 years older and followed the path he has followed.

His looks got him a merely cute woman.