How much do looks matter

[CheekyMonkey101]

Women are far more selective on everything.

Women have gotten more abundance in recent times and that has led to far greater selectivity.

"Men have an abundance mindset. Women have an abundance reality."

 

[SW15]

"Men have an abundance mindset. Women have an abundance reality."

Men with seduction skill have an abundance mindset. An abundance mindset is a good thing. Men with an abundance mindset might or might not have actual abundance. Having an abundance mindset without actual abundance is a step in the right direction.

The majority of men are Average Frustrated Chumps (AFC), also known as beta males. These men have a blue pill ideology towards romantic relationships. Part of this ideology is a scarcity mindset. The typical AFC/beta has a scarcity mindset and also experiences a scarcity of prospects. An experience of a scarcity of prospects is something that deepens a scarcity mindset.

Women have an abundance reality. Take a look at this Tinder experiment where a below average female got 474 Likes in 24 hours. That's abundance. This sort of abundance can also happen on Hinge and Bumble too, which are more longer term relationship oriented than shorter term sex oriented.

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Women tend to experience abundance more for short term sex than longer term commitment. Most of those woman's 474 Likes won't commit to a relationship with her. Most will look to pump and dump. However, there are probably enough men in those 474 that would commit. Just based on that sheer number of options, she has more commitment options that many men if she was seeking that standard.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

Men with seduction skill have an abundance mindset. An abundance mindset is a good thing. Men with an abundance mindset might or might not have actual abundance. Having an abundance mindset without actual abundance is a step in the right direction.

The majority of men are Average Frustrated Chumps (AFC), also known as beta males. These men have a blue pill ideology towards romantic relationships. Part of this ideology is a scarcity mindset. The typical AFC/beta has a scarcity mindset and also experiences a scarcity of prospects. An experience of a scarcity of prospects is something that deepens a scarcity mindset.

Women have an abundance reality. Take a look at this Tinder experiment where a below average female got 474 Likes in 24 hours. That's abundance. This sort of abundance can also happen on Hinge and Bumble too, which are more longer term relationship oriented than shorter term sex oriented.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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Women tend to experience abundance more for short term sex than longer term commitment. Most of those woman's 474 Likes won't commit to a relationship with her. Most will look to pump and dump. However, there are probably enough men in those 474 that would commit. Just based on that sheer number of options, she has more commitment options that many men if she was seeking that standard.

Abundance isn't reality. I've luckily currently got hundreds of likes and matches on Tinder and Hinge and have arranged several meetups this week so my reality has somewhat of abundance as I know I can replace one girl with another if it goes wrong. But this success isn't down to my mindset, more just my proven results.

In fact, if anything I have a horrible mindset as I'm pretty negative and prone to depressive thoughts. If doesn't really hinder me.

 

[SW15]

proven results.

Proven results impact mindset.

Let's look at the typical male and his outcomes with app swiping and approaching.

With app swiping, the typical male has few matches and fewer dates. Many of the dates he goes on will be with women with abundance. These women will drop him for the slightest thing that gives them the ick. He will have a lot of "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions.

He might stop using apps and approach in real life, likely at a bar with some liquid courage. Most nights at the bar, he will walk away empty handed with no dates planned and no same night sex.

It's difficult to develop an abundance mindset with those outcomes.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

Proven results impact mindset.

Let's look at the typical male and his outcomes with app swiping and approaching.

With app swiping, the typical male has few matches and fewer dates. Many of the dates he goes on will be with women with abundance. These women will drop him for the slightest thing that gives them the ick. He will have a lot of "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions.

He might stop using apps and approach in real life, likely at a bar with some liquid courage. Most nights at the bar, he will walk away empty handed with no dates planned and no same night sex.

It's difficult to develop an abundance mindset with those outcomes.

Which just shows that an abundance mindset is meaningless.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

So many God damn opinions on this but I want to hear your guys view and also say why you chose the answer. Me personally I think looks matter and it's pretty crazy pickup and game dudes discount it

This is the wrong way to ask the question. It is not a numerical "How Much?". It's not that a good looking guy will get X more women than an average guy (he will). But. In reality, a good looking guy lives in a totally different world than an average guy. A good looking guy will have experiences that an average guy will have trouble even comprehending.

As an example, I'm a good looking guy. When I got a promotion, one of the employees, who was an actual model, hopped on my desk, stuck her a$$ in the air and said: 'do you need a sexratary?".

As another example, I linked up with a desert hiking group in SoCal. One of the participants was a 21 LVU y.o. student. Long story short. Without even knowing me, she hooked up with me in a motel in BFE within an hour of meeting me. We didn't do too much hiking.

I was a at a bar in the Marina in SF. As I was walking by, two girls called out: 'Come over here and talk to us!"

I could go on for days with stories.

The downside is, I'm not a very good BF nor a very good employee. I just get treated well because I'm decent looking.

 

[zekko]

Women are far more selective when it comes to looks, let's be honest.

The average woman has more sex appeal than the average man.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

^^Don't underestimate yourself @sangheilios .

Firstly because upon the initial approach women have no idea if a man is "older" especially if it's only 5-6 years. Nor would a man know how old she is! Nor would a woman know his financial and social status.

I'm talking about initial approach/meet. How could she know, they just met..

Re looks, many people especially in this day and age can look a lot younger (or older) than their chronological age depending on genes, how well they maintain, health even attitude!

Secondly you're 6'4" and very fit, and only 35! Reading posts from men here, other forums and knowing men in real who are in their 30s/40s, they're able to pull and have girlfriends who are 10-15 younger. Quite easily!

Referencing my earlier posts about a man's energy/vibe, if they don't respond positively to you it may because you anticipate you will be rejected and that comes through in the energy/vibe you project whether you consciosly realize it or not.

Same for a man believing he's too short. Or anything he views as a deficiency.

YES looks definitely matter but they're subjective and don't mean a hill of beans to a lot of women (of all ages) IF his energy/vibe sucks. Not to all women but a fair amount for it to matter.

JMO

Good post, Sega. I actually did a video called "you only need a minimum of good looks" that made a very similar argument to yours.

Also age. If you are fit and have your life together (yes career helps) you can go younger, the general formula is half plus 7. So a 40 year old can date a 27 year old.

 

[MatureDJ]

Men with seduction skill have an abundance mindset. An abundance mindset is a good thing. Men with an abundance mindset might or might not have actual abundance. Having an abundance mindset without actual abundance is a step in the right direction.

The majority of men are Average Frustrated Chumps (AFC), also known as beta males. These men have a blue pill ideology towards romantic relationships. Part of this ideology is a scarcity mindset. The typical AFC/beta has a scarcity mindset and also experiences a scarcity of prospects. An experience of a scarcity of prospects is something that deepens a scarcity mindset.

Women have an abundance reality. Take a look at this Tinder experiment where a below average female got 474 Likes in 24 hours. That's abundance. This sort of abundance can also happen on Hinge and Bumble too, which are more longer term relationship oriented than shorter term sex oriented.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Women tend to experience abundance more for short term sex than longer term commitment. Most of those woman's 474 Likes won't commit to a relationship with her. Most will look to pump and dump. However, there are probably enough men in those 474 that would commit. Just based on that sheer number of options, she has more commitment options that many men if she was seeking that standard.

Haven't heard the AFC term is quite some time; you must have been looking at the threads from long ago.

The only way I could see myself getting 474 Likes in 24 hours is to visit 16 brothels that have 30 working girls each.

Having an abundance mindset without the actual abundance leads to a lot of rejection, with all the ill-effects therein, but it does motivate a man to at least keep plugging away.

 

[MatureDJ]

This is the wrong way to ask the question. It is not a numerical "How Much?". It's not that a good looking guy will get X more women than an average guy (he will). But. In reality, a good looking guy lives in a totally different world than an average guy. A good looking guy will have experiences that an average guy will have trouble even comprehending.

As an example, I'm a good looking guy. When I got a promotion, one of the employees, who was an actual model, hopped on my desk, stuck her a$$ in the air and said: 'do you need a sexratary?".

As another example, I linked up with a desert hiking group in SoCal. One of the participants was a 21 LVU y.o. student. Long story short. Without even knowing me, she hooked up with me in a motel in BFE within an hour of meeting me. We didn't do too much hiking.

I was a at a bar in the Marina in SF. As I was walking by, two girls called out: 'Come over here and talk to us!"

I could go on for days with stories.

The downside is, I'm not a very good BF nor a very good employee. I just get treated well because I'm decent looking.

You're right - I can't grok this at all.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

This is the wrong way to ask the question. It is not a numerical "How Much?". It's not that a good looking guy will get X more women than an average guy (he will). But. In reality, a good looking guy lives in a totally different world than an average guy. A good looking guy will have experiences that an average guy will have trouble even comprehending.

As an example, I'm a good looking guy. When I got a promotion, one of the employees, who was an actual model, hopped on my desk, stuck her a$$ in the air and said: 'do you need a sexratary?".

As another example, I linked up with a desert hiking group in SoCal. One of the participants was a 21 LVU y.o. student. Long story short. Without even knowing me, she hooked up with me in a motel in BFE within an hour of meeting me. We didn't do too much hiking.

I was a at a bar in the Marina in SF. As I was walking by, two girls called out: 'Come over here and talk to us!"

I could go on for days with stories.

The downside is, I'm not a very good BF nor a very good employee. I just get treated well because I'm decent looking.

But here is the problem: A lot of average guys will just give up, thinking that they have no chance since they did not win the looks lottery. The fact is is they work hard, gym, diet, clothes, grooming etc they can go from a 5 to a 7. Then if their game is on point they can get 8's and maybe the 8.5 fairly regularly. A 3 can become a 5 and pull 7's.

Mindset is still very important for success. My best friend is completely bald and hitting his late 50's. He shaves his head and grew a tight small beard (kind of looks like Walter White). He is also a gym rat and BJJ black belt. He dresses extremely fashionably. He opens lots of women at the club...gets shot down a lot but he also has a good amount of success w/ decent looking women in their late 30's and 40's. His girlfriend...still quite attractive at 50 is madly in love with him and will do anything for him.

 

[MatureDJ]

Think of adding muscles to a guy you don't find attractive already to adding big boobs to a girl you don't find attractive. For example, I do not find Sabrina Carpenter attractive. She could suddenly have the best boobs in the world and I still wouldn't find her attractive because I am not attracted to the core of her.

She does have a boyish figure (her waist-hip ratio is very mediocre).

 

[SW15]

Haven't heard the AFC term is quite some time; you must have been looking at the threads from long ago.

I heard of the Average Frustrated Chump (AFC) term a long time ago. The AFC term has fallen out of use. Beta male has replaced it.

Having an abundance mindset without the actual abundance leads to a lot of rejection, with all the ill-effects therein, but it does motivate a man to at least keep plugging away.

It's difficult to take a lot of rejection and keep plugging away. Rejections without successes will lead a man to exit the mating market.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

But here is the problem: A lot of average guys will just give up, thinking that they have no chance since they did not win the looks lottery. The fact is is they work hard, gym, diet, clothes, grooming etc they can go from a 5 to a 7. Then if their game is on point they can get 8's and maybe the 8.5 fairly regularly. A 3 can become a 5 and pull 7's.

Mindset is still very important for success. My best friend is completely bald and hitting his late 50's. He shaves his head and grew a tight small beard (kind of looks like Walter White). He is also a gym rat and BJJ black belt. He dresses extremely fashionably. He opens lots of women at the club...gets shot down a lot but he also has a good amount of success w/ decent looking women in their late 30's and 40's. His girlfriend...still quite attractive at 50 is madly in love with him and will do anything for him.

Reminds me of a coworker friend. We were talking about our GFs. I mentioned my GF called me up & asked me out. He was astonished and said: ‘I’ve never had a girl ask me out’. However. The end result was. He & I both have a GF. Different paths. Same results.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Men with seduction skill have an abundance mindset. An abundance mindset is a good thing. Men with an abundance mindset might or might not have actual abundance. Having an abundance mindset without actual abundance is a step in the right direction.

The majority of men are Average Frustrated Chumps (AFC), also known as beta males. These men have a blue pill ideology towards romantic relationships. Part of this ideology is a scarcity mindset. The typical AFC/beta has a scarcity mindset and also experiences a scarcity of prospects. An experience of a scarcity of prospects is something that deepens a scarcity mindset.

Women have an abundance reality. Take a look at this Tinder experiment where a below average female got 474 Likes in 24 hours. That's abundance. This sort of abundance can also happen on Hinge and Bumble too, which are more longer term relationship oriented than shorter term sex oriented.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Women tend to experience abundance more for short term sex than longer term commitment. Most of those woman's 474 Likes won't commit to a relationship with her. Most will look to pump and dump. However, there are probably enough men in those 474 that would commit. Just based on that sheer number of options, she has more commitment options that many men if she was seeking that standard.

You are absolutely correct about mindset. Guys who are arguing against you are obsessing on the 7 times they get shot down approaching ten women (individual approaches). The reality is that only 3 might talk to you and maybe only 1-2 gives you her number. However, the abundance mindset knows that over time the numbers will add up as will the dates. If you are opening 30 women a month you might only be getting only 2-3 dates a month, but over a year that is 24-36 dates. 7-8 of those dates go well, in fact you end up having sex with each of those gals for an average of 6-8 weeks.

That is 10 plus months of steady sex during the year. And that is based upon a high failure rate...which will improve with practice and discipline. Have an abundance mindset, embrace your failures and realize it is a numbers game.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

I heard of the Average Frustrated Chump (AFC) term a long time ago. The AFC term has fallen out of use. Beta male has replaced it.



It's difficult to take a lot of rejection and keep plugging away. Rejections without successes will lead a man to exit the mating market.

But that is the key. You have to accept that every no brings you closer to a yes. And back when the term AFC was popular, the seduction community was SO MUCH more supportive than it is now. We did nothing but help each other. Everyone was having more success back then because everyone was positive and understood that failure was part of the process. A rising tide lifted all boats.

You are correct that so, so many men today have simply given up. We need to change that.

It is a shame that, with the Western World so anti straight male/seduction, we have Debbie downers and so much negativity on a forum like this. Just in my efforts to work with BPH (who has a ton of potential) we have 2 parasitic people ****ting all over his efforts and being nothing but a negative influence.

 

[SW15]

You have to accept that every no brings you closer to a yes.

That's one point where I do not agree. Some men simply won't get to that yes. They will not be able to find interest in the market for what they are.

I think it is a common occurrence that men are unable to find an option. There's been a massive growth in the percentage of men who are sexless. These are men who can't find the yes.

in my efforts to work with BPH (who has a ton of potential)

The Chronicles of @BPH is a great thread. It is in his signature.

@BPH has had sex with 98 different women. He has more than potential in seduction. He has achievements. You might say he has potential because you seen potential for more development and changes.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

That's one point where I do not agree. Some men simply won't get to that yes. They will not be able to find interest in the market for what they are.

I think it is a common occurrence that men are unable to find an option. There's been a massive growth in the percentage of men who are sexless. These are men who can't find the yes.



The Chronicles of @BPH is a great thread. It is in his signature.

@BPH has had sex with 98 different women. He has more than potential in seduction. He has achievements. You might say he has potential because you seen potential for more development and changes.

Men can get that yes, they just have to be realistic. If you are a 3 and do everything possible and become decent looking (a 5) then develop your game as much as possible, you are still not going to get 8's through 10s. But you can have A LOT of success with average or slightly better than average looking women. I have seen it first hand, especially if your career is solid.

A lot of the best sex I have ever had was with women who were 7's. I married a much prettier gal, but I still think about some of those women...especially 1 (she gave he best tantric massage ever). Granted, they had good bodies, but very average faces.

A woman with a great body, a great personality (which I know today, is harder to come by....but they are there) but average face could be had by most men if they are disciplined about all aspects of their life.

EDIT: Here is how it works: All you have to do is pass a bare minimum of attractiveness. You have an average face but are well dressed, groomed, and fit. So lets say a woman has a 53% interest level in you. She is willing to talk to you. You game her just right, are funny and charming and get her number. At that point it s a matter of consistently doing things to drive her interest level up (yes I know I sound like Doc Love...but it is true). After the first date it is 68%. You are disciplined, wait a few days to call her and then have a very good second date. Now she is at 77%.

By the end of the third date it is 85% and she sleeps with you. Keep doing things right and continue to push it up.

Now many of you will say "this is too much work I don't want to do this" or "I don't want a relationship." Well that is on you, you are going to be alone then. That is what is true for many men, they simple give up and then claim things are impossible. But the bottom line is you can have success.

 

[zekko]

Men can get that yes, they just have to be realistic. If you are a 3 and do everything possible and become decent looking (a 5) then develop your game as much as possible, you are still not going to get 8's through 10s. But you can have A LOT of success with average or slightly better than average looking women. I have seen it first hand, especially if your career is solid.

This is just based on the way I rate, but I don't really think there is that much difference between a 7 and an 8. I don't believe in 10s, and 9s are rarer than hen's teeth.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

This is just based on the way I rate, but I don't really think there is that much difference between a 7 and an 8. I don't believe in 10s, and 9s are rarer than hen's teeth.

According to Plato/Socrates, 10 don't exist in the real world, LOL. Also, it is a very individualized thing. Most guys like blonds. I like long straight black hair. Actually, I am super wierd...I like Asian women with caucasian features. Narrow nose, big round eyes, but the high cheekbones and full lips. Latinas too. Those half Spanish philipinas....yum.

When I was 36 I had a 21 year old Swedish girlfriend. Most guys ideal, long blonde hair, big blue eyes, tits, ass but I was always fantasizing about Asian women.