How much do looks matter

[Hamurabimbi]

Easiest way to see how much looks matter: Go hang out with a GL friend. Or, if you’re the GL one, hang out with an average looking friend.

 

[Sega Genesis]

There are definitely exceptions to this, but you'll overwhelmingly find that women like men that are maybe up to 5-6 years older than they are at the most. I'm 35 now and even despite being 6'4" and very fit I am very certain that the overwhelming majority of women under 24 would reject me if I was a total stranger...

^^Don't underestimate yourself @sangheilios .

Firstly because upon the initial approach women have no idea if a man is "older" especially if it's only 5-6 years. Nor would a man know how old she is! Nor would a woman know his financial and social status.

I'm talking about initial approach/meet. How could she know, they just met..

Re looks, many people especially in this day and age can look a lot younger (or older) than their chronological age depending on genes, how well they maintain, health even attitude!

Secondly you're 6'4" and very fit, and only 35! Reading posts from men here, other forums and knowing men in real who are in their 30s/40s, they're able to pull and have girlfriends who are 10-15 younger. Quite easily!

Referencing my earlier posts about a man's energy/vibe, if they don't respond positively to you it may because you anticipate you will be rejected and that comes through in the energy/vibe you project whether you consciosly realize it or not.

Same for a man believing he's too short. Or anything he views as a deficiency.

YES looks definitely matter but they're subjective and don't mean a hill of beans to a lot of women (of all ages) IF his energy/vibe sucks. Not to all women but a fair amount for it to matter.

JMO

 

[characternote]

Easiest way to see how much looks matter: Go hang out with a GL friend. Or, if you’re the GL one, hang out with an average looking friend.

they are kind of everything when it comes too attraction and if you want to hook up with hot, YOUNG girls (forgetting about money/being a sugar daddy which is nothing to do with attraction. It's essentially 'pay for play')

Walk up to some super hot 18 year old in a bar or whatever, and you are 45 and bald and overweight and short, then you have more chance of winning the lottery than getting her in bed, no matter how much 'game' you have or how many PUA concepts you have studied and applied! (we see this all the time in rejection infields from 'pros')

conversely, if you are mega handsome, young and tall, the amount of 'game' you need to bang that super hot girl is basically 'be normal like most of the world is!' - Don't be a mega autist and unable to make eye contact' etc.

Having a very good looking wingman taught me all I need to know about looks and stuff many years back lol.

obviously for old women they matter a LOT less. But then no handsome 25 year old with a tonne of top shelf teen pu$$y available to him is gonna look twice at her anyway. They're kind of not on each other's radars. She wants a man with power and money usually (muscles don't harm either! whereas young girls don't seem to care about that. Just don't be a fat ass). Him being handsome is just a small bonus point

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

So going on multiple dates isn't "alpha sh**",

No, it isn't.

Going on multiple dates is only required if your goal is a long term partnership (wife, fiance, girlfriend) with the woman.

Anything else is beta shiit.

but slamming Granny

Not just grannies..I shared a story on a young 19 year old I met at the gym and we got busy outside in the back of the gym.

You conveniently never mention that one though.

I said that to say, it ain't just grannies; I'll fuk daughters too.

and not having the balls to leave an unhappy marriage is?

I been left, junior.

You can be attracted to what you want, but that's why I don't listen to your advice and why I generally suggest others don't either.

You don't have to listen... just keep on simping like you've been doing.

Don't let me stop you.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

More than most people would like to admit.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Going on multiple dates is only required if your goal is a long term partnership (wife, fiance, girlfriend) with the woman.

@We_ArE_VeNOM first off I'm female.

Secondly I think this^ may be true. Or not even a relationship necessarily. .. just as a steady 'plate'.

And that's what I was referring to.

I actually think it's kinda crappy to take a woman out on "multiple" dates (spending money, time, effort) if a man's goal is to only to bang her.

I certainly wouldn't appreciate it!

I dislike Mode One because I am a "relationship girl" and find it disrespectful when a man immediately brings up sex or that he wants to f*** me.

I've had many men do so especially on line and those messages went straight to trash! While not necessarily faulting or negatively judging them for it. They just were not for ME.

I've had it happen in real too but not nearly as often.

I actually have a lot of respect for you believe it or not! It's honest and real and you're not deceiving anyone or leading a woman down some rosy garden path.

Your goal is to f*** her and you're letting her know... directly and boldly making no apologies for it! I dunno gotta admire that at least on some level imo.

If she declines, you move on. I totally get that!

And I do think there's a certain type of woman who is gonna respond very positively to that as you've experienced.

I won't say she's "low quality" like I said before that was quite judgy of me.

Perhaps a woman who just loves sex for sex, nothing more and who finds you hot and your bold brash approach sexy!

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

EDIT: @Sega Genesis is a woman

That's nice to know.

...that's why I'm telling you that you're getting that low opinion of Mode One from your target audience...

Then I guess I won't be getting sex from @Sega Genesis

But then again, I also won't be wasting time & money on her either.

So either way, Mode One prevails

 

[Sega Genesis]

...

Then I guess I won't be getting sex from @Sega Genesis

But then again, I also won't be wasting time & money on her either.

So either way, Mode One prevails

I agree did you read my entire post?

With respect to bolded it's actually a win/win for both of us.

You don't waste time and you don't waste my time!

Again I totally get it!

 

[Manure Spherian]

Looks really matter. And, despite what some argue, if you are GL, you can be a clueless dork and women will still pounce on you. Being GL is a massive cheat code.

It is a cheat code. The ultimate cheat code is evil.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

@We_ArE_VeNOM first off I'm female.

Secondly I think this^ may be true. Or not even a relationship necessarily. .. just as a steady 'plate'.

And that's what I was referring to.

I actually think it's kinda crappy to take a woman out on "multiple" dates (spending money, time, effort) if a man's goal is to only to bang her.

I certainly wouldn't appreciate it!

I dislike Mode One because I am a "relationship girl" and find it disrespectful when a man immediately brings up sex or that he wants to f*** me.

I've had many men do so especially on line and those messages went straight to trash! While not necessarily faulting or negatively judging them for it. They just were not for ME.

I've had it happen in real too but not nearly as often.

I actually have a lot of respect for you believe it or not! It's honest and real and you're not deceiving anyone or leading a woman down some rosy garden path.

Your goal is to f*** her and you're letting her know... directly and boldly making no apologies for it! I dunno gotta admire that at least on some level imo.

If she declines, you move on. I totally get that!

And I do think there's a certain type of woman who is gonna respond very positively to that as you've experienced.

I won't say she's "low quality" like I said before that was quite judgy of me.

Perhaps a woman who just loves sex for sex, nothing more and who finds you hot and your bold brash approach sexy!

Thanks for really understanding where I'm coming from, although you may not agree with it, you respect it...which is all I ask .

Funny you mention women that find the bold and brashness sexy.

I got a woman I'm dealing with right now (which I'll ultimately share the story) who found my directness sexy...as that's what she told me.

There are certain nuances in some of the other stuff you said, but I don't want to belabor the point..just glad you recognize the game.

Send me a PM, if you are bad enough.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I actually think it's kinda crappy to take a woman out on "multiple" dates (spending money, time, effort) if a man's goal is to only to bang her.

I certainly wouldn't appreciate it!

I dislike Mode One because I am a "relationship girl" and find it disrespectful when a man immediately brings up sex or that he wants to f*** me.

I've had many men do so especially on line and those messages went straight to trash! While not necessarily faulting or negatively judging them for it. They just were not for ME.

I don’t want to single you out, but maybe you need to elaborate here more. Both of these sentences are contradictory because you call it ‘crappy’ for a man to take a woman on multiple dates if he only wants sex, yet you also find it ‘disrespectful’ if he’s upfront about wanting sex from the start. You’re rejecting both indirect and direct approaches, which creates a contradiction since there’s no clear way for a man to express interest.

 

[Sega Genesis]

I don’t want to single you out, but maybe you need to elaborate here more. Both of these sentences are contradictory because you call it ‘crappy’ for a man to take a woman on multiple dates if he only wants sex, yet you also find it ‘disrespectful’ if he’s upfront about wanting sex from the start. You’re rejecting both indirect and direct approaches, which creates a contradiction since there’s no clear way for a man to express interest.

Thanks I was actually thinking about this myself! And yes it absolutely does sound contradictory. Like I'm speaking from both sides of my ***! Lol

My only explanation is a dichotomy of my emotions at certain times depending on the situation.

On one hand when it happened and I'm mostly referring to Mode One Extreme when a guy messaged me straight away "hey you're hot, down to f*ck tonight"? Which I've had happen on the apps.

Or I recall one guy who after a short message exchange asked for a picture of my a**!

Which I found disrespectful and went straight to trash. NOT for me.

While on the other hand, appreciatimg that he was direct and honest and didn't waste my time (or his own obviously) by disingenuously going the contrived motions of appearing as if he actually wanted to date me and get to know me!

Does that make sense?

I dunno I appreciate honesty and yes if/when a man's goal is to only have sex, nothing more than screwing me or putting me on some sort of rotation but yet goes through the motions of appearing as if he wants to date me and get to know me, I find that disingenuous and "crappy."

Why? Because he's only behaving that way because he wants to get laid.

As some of the men here have openly admitted to in their posts.

It's a waste of both of our time IMO.

Hope that clarifies.

 

[saige]

The men y’all are claiming as “good looking” are probably not “good looking” in the eyes of women.

Preach!!

Speaking from a woman’s perspective, I’ve always found it interesting how much personal preference varies. I'm personally super drawn to emo/scene guys or men who wear glasses for some reason. For me, there’s something about that style and aesthetic that I find really attractive. But I do know plenty of women who feel the complete opposite and are into completely different types. My friend really digs mustaches on guys, while I don't feel the same way.

And IMO, men do tend to be given more leniency in terms of appearance. I’ve noticed that a guy’s looks often don’t matter nearly as much as other qualities like his confidence, humor, or how he carries himself. From the girl's locker room, appearance can get you somewhere especially if a woman is into your look...but the vibes you project are going to make/break the connection.

 

[Gameplayer007]

So many God damn opinions on this but I want to hear your guys view and also say why you chose the answer. Me personally I think looks matter and it's pretty crazy pickup and game dudes discount it

I'm just jumping into the conversation, not caught up on the latest comment. When you say looks matter how so?

What I'm thinking of hypothetically is this, let's say a guy hits the mythic 6 ft, 6 pack, 6 figures right? You could think any woman would hop and pounce on the man within a heartbeat, and that might actually happen. Yet, lets say the man has not really dated so much or spent any time trying to learn about the dynamic between man and woman. Yeah, this man outwardly looks like a modern day adonis. But inwardly, he's just the guy who wanted to go big and won the lottery. 5 seconds in, she's interested. But let's say within 5 minutes now, he might act in a way that she feels his low self-esteem. Her interest went from a 8-10 down to a 3 or below.

Now don't get me a wrong. A man should groom himself and present the best version of himself. Yet as the saying goes, "clothes don't make the man, man makes the clothes." And going further down the rabbit hole, some women go for guys that would make you question their choices in life. My point being is, a guy can look amazing and wonderful, but if his character isn't masculine and lacks confidence then he's got some mental gym work to do. I'm not one for techniques or methods. A man should learn about dating, but he should first come to terms in having a great life before dating. If he can't come from a place of being satisfied with his life and being able to take care of himself, then its an uphill battle for him.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I'm just jumping into the conversation, not caught up on the latest comment. When you say looks matter how so?

What I'm thinking of hypothetically is this, let's say a guy hits the mythic 6 ft, 6 pack, 6 figures right? You could think any woman would hop and pounce on the man within a heartbeat, and that might actually happen. Yet, lets say the man has not really dated so much or spent any time trying to learn about the dynamic between man and woman. Yeah, this man outwardly looks like a modern day adonis. But inwardly, he's just the guy who wanted to go big and won the lottery. 5 seconds in, she's interested. But let's say within 5 minutes now, he might act in a way that she feels his low self-esteem. Her interest went from a 8-10 down to a 3 or below.

Now don't get me a wrong. A man should groom himself and present the best version of himself. Yet as the saying goes, "clothes don't make the man, man makes the clothes." And going further down the rabbit hole, some women go for guys that would make you question their choices in life. My point being is, a guy can look amazing and wonderful, but if his character isn't masculine and lacks confidence then he's got some mental gym work to do. I'm not one for techniques or methods. A man should learn about dating, but he should first come to terms in having a great life before dating. If he can't come from a place of being satisfied with his life and being able to take care of himself, then its an uphill battle for him.

If you are GL, even if you are a nerdy dork. Women will make the effort to seduce you.