How much do looks matter

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

Yes looks matter. But they are not ALL that matters. Many variables at play here, including what her value is and what her standards are.

My sister most values kindness and maturity. She will accept less than Chad looks so long as he has his act together.

My old college roommate most valued intelligence. She married a man with two advanced degrees in very divergent fields. She wanted brains first and was willing to sacrifice on looks.

I seek sexual desirability and edge as my number 1. I also value smarts and sense of humor.

And having your act together financially, being height/weight proportionate and dressing well are basic entry level requirements to become visible to worthwhile girls. Givens. Baseline.

From there its about compatibility of value systems.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

And I agree with @Dr.Suave , initiate when interested and I don't mean sexually Mode One. Ugh.

That's ok. Mode One ain't for everyone.

It's for the bold and brave.

Don't knock the method just because you don't have what it takes to live it.

That will not fly with a high quality girl...

And what constitutes as a high quality girl?

It is subjective.

Second, you are simply wrong.

ARC stated that over the course of his years, Mode One (for him) has worked on women from all walks of life...young, old, lower class, middle class, upper class, professionals, college educated, etc.

So, again, you are wrong.

be assertive, confident and respectful.

Be bold, honest, and straightforward.

With a low quality, hoeish type girl Mode One might work. Depends on what you want I spose.

Sorry, Charlie...that's nonsense...and it depends on what you mean by "work".

No method will work 100% of the time, not even you guy's beta-ass indirect methods will have you batting 100%.

Mode One works in the sense that it will prevent you from wasting time and money on women that aren't interested in having sex with you...which is the problem that most of you muhfukaz have.

But the problem is twofold..

1. Most of you guys are too puzzy to use Mode One, so your opinion of the method is based on shiit you're too puzzy to try, thus making your opinion uninformed and invalid.

2. Most of you guys aren't sexually attractive enough in the eyes of women, for it to work.

And that's a crying shame.

ModeOne4Life.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I don't believe @We_ArE_VeNOM is seeking a "high quality girl" necessarily...he's just seeking a woman he finds hot and is down to f***.

In which case Mode One could work.

My read on it anyway

I ask again, what is a high quality girl?

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I don't even think "hot" is a requirement. Apparently he slammed a 70-year old not too long ago.

If she is 70, and I find her attractive...then she can get this d!ck.

And I don't give a damn what you beta male simps think about it, either.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Ugly guys: Yes looks are the most important thing.

Handsome guys: Don't worry about looks, just be confident!

 

[Vanderdonck]

In all seriousness, looks don't even matter as much as you think to men. A physically hot girl is just that, doesn't mean you will want to fukk her without more information.

Imagine you find out she is unhygenic physically, or a raging bytch, or crazy, or toxic, or dumb as a brick, or a militant man hating feminist. I for one am not going to want to stick it in a girl like that. Personality and disposition matter A LOT and will take a woman down a few notches when it comes to attraction. Heck I won't even date a woman whose home is dirty.

However some men just like some women will rationalize these things because of their low self worth.

*Edit, not saying they don't matter, looks are super important, just that they are not everything.

 

[characternote]

they are kind of everything when it comes too attraction and if you want to hook up with hot, YOUNG girls (forgetting about money/being a sugar daddy which is nothing to do with attraction. It's essentially 'pay for play')

Walk up to some super hot 18 year old in a bar or whatever, and you are 45 and bald and overweight and short, then you have more chance of winning the lottery than getting her in bed, no matter how much 'game' you have or how many PUA concepts you have studied and applied! (we see this all the time in rejection infields from 'pros')

conversely, if you are mega handsome, young and tall, the amount of 'game' you need to bang that super hot girl is basically 'be normal like most of the world is!' - Don't be a mega autist and unable to make eye contact' etc.

Having a very good looking wingman taught me all I need to know about looks and stuff many years back lol.

obviously for old women they matter a LOT less. But then no handsome 25 year old with a tonne of top shelf teen pu$$y available to him is gonna look twice at her anyway. They're kind of not on each other's radars. She wants a man with power and money usually (muscles don't harm either! whereas young girls don't seem to care about that. Just don't be a fat ass). Him being handsome is just a small bonus point

 

[CornbreadFed]

I hate to ruffle feathers, but women do aggressively pursue after good looking men and throw them soft ball pitches. Ever since I grew my hair out, I get approached by women every day and stopped going out because I would be spammed too many easy opportunities to cheat on my partner. In addition, I am aware of how easy my good looking friends have it in dating. The men y’all are claiming as “good looking” are probably not “good looking” in the eyes of women. Most men do not have a grasp on what women find attractive and continue to act puzzled and baffled by their actions. Women are going to prefer pretty boys characteristics like Paul Rudd and Jalen Hurts over some hyper masculine man like Chuck Norris or The Rock. Essentially, women are not as big on “handsome” and “masculine” traits vs pretty boys traits.

 

[tesla8520]

dangerousness

Cannot see how this helps building a healthy men and attracting healthy women

I have plenty of tall, good-looking friends who don't get laid nearly as much as me because they don't have the confidence to talk to girls, nor the common sense to know how to escalate.

They made a term for this: experience.
If I can come with you, and stay with you for 1 year, I will, somehow, integrate those quality into myself too.
Where did you learned?

Calling me about things he has issues with

Right, but how he does it will make a difference

Go to a country where your looks are rare.

It's not just about sexual attractiveness/opportunity.

But being a rarity somewhere is also a social good. Have you ever thought about that?

Remember, men, women, you are under pressure, and that makes your wants and needs towards the opposite sex change by the minute,

Saved! I can't stress this enough. You should write a book about this.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

So many God damn opinions on this but I want to hear your guys view and also say why you chose the answer. Me personally I think looks matter and it's pretty crazy pickup and game dudes discount it

For most women in the most fertile period of their life, looks is the basic qualification factor (you won't get past her whole qualification process because you will fail at looks check) it's hard to tell whether it is more important than for men, but we can safely say it's as much important for them as looks is important for us.

There are exceptions like gold diggers or opportunity diggers that concentrate on additional profits that men bring to the table, but in 2025 your game will not get you through the looks check too far (perhaps you will be able to initiate some kino, perhaps you will steal a kiss but later on she will get back to her senses - either alone or with help of her friends or with help of interest of more attractive guy for her in looks through the dating app - and she will give you tons of resistance).

Looks won't make women approach you but good looks will drop their resistance to your approaches/openings to minimum and will help you secure first dates easily unless you will act like dork and say some stupid things.

I also agree that pretty boys > trad-attractive men , pretty boys dominate "manly" guys in dating prospects

 

[SW15]

If the woman if young, yes looks matter. She wants to get pregnant.

If the woman is older, looks don’t matter as much. She wants resources.

Younger men get judged mainly on looks, though some money might be able to help. Most younger men won't have enough money to make money meaningful.

Older men (35+) start to get judged more on money by both women near their own age and substantially younger women. Looks are still important though.

Looks are generally more important than money. More women are able to make a comfortable living for themselves with the combination of their education and work experience at a given point time. If a woman earns $75,000 - $125,000 per year, she can cover her basic needs so money won't impress her too much unless it is a very large sum of it.

 

[tesla8520]

Looks won't make women approach you

I disagree. Personal experience says otherwise. They will do anything to **** you if you are their type

 

[justaroundthecorner]

I disagree. Personal experience says otherwise. They will do anything to **** you if you are their type

Perhaps you a right.

I was approached online by acquaintances of my acquaintances with propositions to date basing on my online profile only but my assumption is there was always something additional on this profile (additional information about my job, age, languages I speak, hobbies etc.).

I was also approached after some females observed how I behave but I was never approached only on the basis of looks (alas I am sure I am not in top 10% looks guys) therefore I agree that I may be wrong on this one as I simply had no chance to experience it

 

[characternote]

I disagree. Personal experience says otherwise. They will do anything to **** you if you are their type

I can confirm they will indeed approach you a sh1t load.
My wingman would get approached and hit on by hot young girls around 5-6 times per night when we'd go bar hopping
However, i'll admit i've never seen him cold approached in the day time
Closest thing was hot young cashiers and stuff giving him outrageous IOI's lol (starring at him, flicking their hair, smiling, lingering hand touches when giving change etc etc)

 

[CornbreadFed]

I disagree. Personal experience says otherwise. They will do anything to **** you if you are their type

This is what men do not get. This universally attractive male to all women does not exist. Yes, the types of men with the amount of women attracted to them do vary, but it is type at the end of the day. Knowing the type of women you naturally attract and do not attract is essential to being successful in dating.

 

[characternote]

This is what men do not get. This universally attractive male to all women does not exist. Yes, the types of men with the amount of women attracted to them do vary, but it is type at the end of the day. Knowing the type of women you naturally attract and do not attract is essential to being successful in dating.

there's definitely an element of that I think.

It's why I always preach 'numbers game!!!' and using that volume in cold approach to improve your odds of finding a 10 who thinks my ugly ass is good looking!

I've punched out of my league quite a few times now. Friends have even joked about it before. I'd love to tell you I have some jedi mind trick level 'game' and can 'persuade' a girl to be attracted to me, but that's just BS. You can't negotiate attraction like PUA's want you to believe. 'Game' isn't about that. I banged a STUNNER from work last year for example, and she revealed she had the hots for me as soon as she saw me at work and wanted me, depsite the fact i'm maybe a '5'(?) and get rejected by a lot of the very hot young girls I go for on a night out! Often constant and relentless haha!. But I was just her 'type', I guess

I also know from when I was a kid that INDIAN girls fricking love me!!! It's just a shame I didn't capatalise much on that when I was younger as I didn't tend to find ANY of them remotely attractive. I do admit that i'm noticing more hot ones nowadays though. A hot one was all over me at my latest job recently, but she's super religious and a virgin etc and it wasn't worth the hassle for me to try to get in her pants, but her attraction for me was so obvious. She couldn't have made it clearer. I wish all girls were like that in terms of the IOI's they give! haha

 

[Sega Genesis]

Agree and adding one more - his energy! Or perhaps that falls under his "presence"?

Not sure why energy gets discounted so often.. a man's great energy can trump all those things mentioned imo.

On the other hand, he could be a total Chad in every sense of the word but if his energy is piss poor he's gonna flop!

Just wanted to clarify with respect to my response here^^ and how I interpreted the thread title, I was referring to the initial meet, whether a spontaneous approach, from an app or however else.

Obviously (at least to most) once you're IN a relationship or begin dating, it ALL matters in some form or fashion. Values, financial status. Social status (for some). Like Duh. Lol

I'm in a relationship now but when "single" whenever I was first approached, yes I needed to find him attractive (to ME looks being subjective and all), what would pull me is his energy, his VIBE.

I had absolutely no idea what his social or financial status was when first approached how could I? I just met him!

Even on the apps when I was on them, when I received a message from a "Chad" I didn't always respond. NOT when there was nothing in his message that grabbed me, that pulled me.

Believing they didn't need to because hey look at me... I'm a HOT looking Chad! Ugh. That's piss poor energy as far as I'm concerned.

Most of my friends and women I knew felt the same.

Except for or two and frankly those women were rather shallow and didn't have very much discretion re who they f*cked.

If he was hot (and that wasn't even always a requirement) and gave her some attention (scraps) she was down! "Low quality" to answer @We_ArE_VeNOM question at least imo..

Same for when meeting men in real.

I used to work in the entertainment industry when I lived in NYC and was surrounded by hot looking Chads. Every single day..

I had Chads ask me out! Or want to have sex with me. Models and the like.

I turned down because all or most walked around like they were God's gift. I'm not even kidding! Again poor energy/vibe.

No thank you.

 

[super_soaker]

imo while i think game matters it's generally oversold by those in the business or online personas trying to hype themselves up. one thing i've noticed is that in online seduction communities the most successful guys tend to be above average in some way.

the pua 'gurus' are generally tall, with a few exceptions. the exceptions, like justin marc, or neil strauss admitted to wearing lifts. a lot of the online personas on forums like seddit, rooshv or skilledseducer have quite a number of good looking guys who are 'good' with women. if this was largely about 'game' or skill you'd expect to see an equal amount of dating coaches who are 5'4" as there are 6'2" but the reality is that they are overwhelmingly above average in one way or another.

while they all might have a "i know a guy..." storyline to tell, it's never a "i am that guy" reality where you can see a 5'3" guy with no hair pulling threesomes with stunners 3 days a week. it's mostly some above average guy who isn't good looking enough to walk his way in, but still has stand out features to the point where putting in the effort and running volume will pay off.

even the guys i've seen on seduction forums who describe themselves as a '5' end up being more like a 7 to me when i've seen their picture, i think they just have low self esteem due to rejections or wanting to believe they understand the common man's struggle lol.

that being said, game still matters but if you're looking for fast pulls and easier lays imo you're better off having 10/10 looks than 10/10 game. fortunately, i don't think either looks or game are all that either, but between the two i'd say looks mogs game.

 

[BPH]

If she is 70, and I find her attractive...then she can get this d!ck.

And I don't give a damn what you beta male simps think about it, either.

So going on multiple dates isn't "alpha sh**", but slamming Granny and not having the balls to leave an unhappy marriage is?

You can be attracted to what you want, but that's why I don't listen to your advice and why I generally suggest others don't either.

EDIT: @Sega Genesis is a woman...that's why I'm telling you that you're getting that low opinion of Mode One from your target audience...

EDIT Again:

They made a term for this: experience.
If I can come with you, and stay with you for 1 year, I will, somehow, integrate those quality into myself too.
Where did you learned?

I had to teach myself, so mostly through trial and error via cold approaching.

 

[sangheilios]

they are kind of everything when it comes too attraction and if you want to hook up with hot, YOUNG girls (forgetting about money/being a sugar daddy which is nothing to do with attraction. It's essentially 'pay for play')

Walk up to some super hot 18 year old in a bar or whatever, and you are 45 and bald and overweight and short, then you have more chance of winning the lottery than getting her in bed, no matter how much 'game' you have or how many PUA concepts you have studied and applied! (we see this all the time in rejection infields from 'pros')

conversely, if you are mega handsome, young and tall, the amount of 'game' you need to bang that super hot girl is basically 'be normal like most of the world is!' - Don't be a mega autist and unable to make eye contact' etc.

Having a very good looking wingman taught me all I need to know about looks and stuff many years back lol.

obviously for old women they matter a LOT less. But then no handsome 25 year old with a tonne of top shelf teen pu$$y available to him is gonna look twice at her anyway. They're kind of not on each other's radars. She wants a man with power and money usually (muscles don't harm either! whereas young girls don't seem to care about that. Just don't be a fat ass). Him being handsome is just a small bonus point

You are totally correct, but a lot of delusional middle aged men will try to convince you and themselves otherwise. I'd also add that women at various age ranges seem to be attracted to different things when it comes to looks, but the trend is that they like men that are a bit older than they are.

A good example of this I can easily cite is from when I was in high school and late junior high/middle school age. They seem to really be interested in teen boy stars like a younger Justin Beiber, the guys in Nsync or Zac Effron, etc. when they were still in their teens. Take these same guys but make them 25-30 and these girls wouldn't find them as "hot" lol. In contrast to this, a lot of women in their mid 20s would see these guys in their teen years as too boyish looking or like a younger brother lol.

I noticed that when girls get into their late teens and early 20s, basically young women in their prime years, they start to go for the guy with the ripped abs, defined muscles, etc. that is maybe up to 25. This is kind of the peak for when they seem to chase after the Chad types and value nothing but looks. Depending upon the young woman this can end even by around 21-22. If you are attractive, at least average height and have muscles it's like a golden ticket so long as you can hold a conversation.

When women start getting out of this age range though they still find muscles attractive but there is less of an emphasis on being 10% bodyfat or under with very defined abs. A guy who is fit with a flat but not excessively toned stomach is plenty. However, like you said as women get older they start to value other things as well, like financial status and the ability to provide lifestyle benefits, such as travel for instance.

There are definitely exceptions to this, but you'll overwhelmingly find that women like men that are maybe up to 5-6 years older than they are at the most. I'm 35 now and even despite being 6'4" and very fit I am very certain that the overwhelming majority of women under 24 would reject me if I was a total stranger. The dynamic changes a bit if you are within their social sphere, like if you are coworkers for instance and they've gotten to know you. Women don't like the idea of going for men that are perceived as being old enough to be their fathers lol.