How many women should you be with before even considering a Relationship?

[nicksaiz65]

Wanted to make a thread for discussions’ sake.

Yesterday, I got cut off by a girl that I used to bang back in the day once and for all. The reason for this being was that she wanted a relationship, and I declined one. This has happened to me with previous girls too.

For me personally, there is a 0% chance that I’ll be in any kind of relationship for the next 3 years minimum. There’s a lot that I want to set up and accomplish in the game, there’s no way for me to do that inside a committed relationship.

I’m not upset about it at all because all I have to do is continue to go out and meet new girls, but it got me to thinking. How many girls should you be with before you can start considering a relationship? 40? 50? 100?

Even in the very distant future, I’d be a good bit hesitant/apprehensive to be in a relationship. I’ve seen firsthand how girls cheat on their boyfriends behind their back, divorce their husbands, and continue to entertain and hit up other guys, on social media and in person, even when in an exclusive relationship.

 

[Manure Spherian]

How many girls should you be with before you can start considering a relationship? 40? 50? 100?

There is no number and no way to gauge this. There are people who married their first sex partner.

Why do you want a relationship in the future?

 

[SW15]

I don't think there's a minimum. Some men meet a great woman early in their lives and deem her relationship worthy. More of this comes down to temperament and relationship desires.

 

[forcerecon01]

awesome that you have the options to decline a ltr. If its a guarantee I would hold off and build wealth first. Not all guys have a abundant mindset to know that girls are a dime a dozen

 

[corrector]

Even in the very distant future, I’d be a good bit hesitant/apprehensive to be in a relationship. I’ve seen firsthand how girls cheat on their boyfriends behind their back, divorce their husbands, and continue to entertain and hit up other guys, on social media and in person, even when in an exclusive relationship.

Why would you worry about that at all? You seem to be the type of guy that would have no problem moving on quickly after a break-up and dating again. You are making a relationship sound like a marriage or sentence when in reality it not that big of a deal since either party can break-up with the other party if it no longer works for them. Even marriages do not mean anything. There is nothing that's final these days.

 

[nicksaiz65]

There is no number and no way to gauge this. There are people who married their first sex partner.

Why do you want a relationship in the future?

Tru

I don’t see myself getting into one for a very long time. But just a thought

 

[nicksaiz65]

awesome that you have the options to decline a ltr. If its a guarantee I would hold off and build wealth first. Not all guys have a abundant mindset to know that girls are a dime a dozen

Thanks man! I’m currently on the grind getting my financial situation sorted. I probably have 3-4 other threads on stuff related to that started here lol

 

[nicksaiz65]

Why would you worry about that at all? You seem to be the type of guy that would have no problem moving on quickly after a break-up and dating again. You are making a relationship sound like a marriage or sentence when in reality it not that big of a deal since either party can break-up with the other party if it no longer works for them. Even marriages do not mean anything. There is nothing that's final these days.

Yeah, if I were to get broken up with, I’d be approaching again within 1 week maximum

That’s a good point with the relationships. Now ideally you wouldn’t lose half your sh*t because of a marriage, but I think that’s outside the scope of this thread a bit

 

[Murk]

You meet someone and it just happens, I wouldn’t think too much about it

 

[CornbreadFed]

One night stands do not give you provide much experience with women. Therefore, there is no minimum IMHO. Now, marriage is a different story. I would make sure you have at least 3 LTRs under your belt before considering marriage or a considerable amount of time with your 3rd one.

 

[RazorRambo24]

I would say when you stop posting stupid ass questions like the one in the title.. I think that'd be a good starting point to say hm maybe I'm ready to settle down.

Till then, focus on stacking money, not women. You already are expecting to be cheated on and have insecurities surrounding relationships, and unless you're game bred like the rare few of us, I don't think you'll be able to find 50 girls to "be with" (whatever da fucc that means)

When I was growing up, we were the ones cheatin on the girls, not vice versa. Ofc I grew up and I'm more mature now, morals got stronger, etc.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I would say when you stop posting stupid ass questions like the one in the title.. I think that'd be a good starting point to say hm maybe I'm ready to settle down.

Till then, focus on stacking money, not women. You already are expecting to be cheated on and have insecurities surrounding relationships, and unless you're game bred like the rare few of us, I don't think you'll be able to find 50 girls to "be with" (whatever da fucc that means)

When I was growing up, we were the ones cheatin on the girls, not vice versa. Ofc I grew up and I'm more mature now, morals got stronger, etc.

I’m not looking for a relationship atm, this thread was just more of a thought experiment tbh lol.

Currently executing a plan on the money to get it up… my current Laycount is at 16, I’d like it to be higher. So I’ve set a goal to get it up to 26 or more by the end of the year

 

[SW15]

One night stands do not give you provide much experience with women. Therefore, there is no minimum IMHO. Now, marriage is a different story. I would make sure you have at least 3 LTRs under your belt before considering marriage or a considerable amount of time with your 3rd one.

One night stands and casual sex situationships provide some experience with women. A guy who has had many one night stands and situationships is going to be more attractive to women than an incel/borderline incel type guy.

I don't think a man needs multiple failed LTRs to get into a marriage.

Younger men now often lacked a good father to teach them things about dating. Male guidance to younger men in past eras did help them with learning dating earlier in life. At the same time, a lot of older men (Silents, Boomers, and early Gen X'ers) dated in a far different era than the current one and their experiences were never all that useful in teaching Millennials/Gen Z how to date in more current times. I have known Millennial men with decent fathers and their parents stayed together. Even these fathers weren't that good at teaching their sons to date in the current era because they dated in the 1960s-1980s, which isn't the same as the post-1990 world.

 

[Dr.Suave]

How many girls should you be with before you can start considering a relationship? 40? 50? 100?

Its not about the number of girls. Its about you and your personal journey.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I don't think a man needs multiple failed LTRs to get into a marriage.

I’m not joking here or trying to be some goofy edgelord. I now think being in a “relationship,” that is, being a “boyfriend,” is one of the lowest positions a man can be in. It is being a woman’s pet, and if there is no marriage, the “relationship” goes nowhere and nothing came out of it. No children, no family alliances, and no pooling of resources or division of household labor.

Legal prostitution is available in some places. If a man wants to simply have sex with many women, he can go to them. Stranger women literally have nothing to offer men besides their bodies. Screwing 100 women—which most here will never or cannot do—isn’t going to cure whatever deep, serious issue some man has with his self image. Although getting no validation from a woman will make a man miserable, having sex with many, though thrilling, isn’t going to provide something to a marriage or cure his mental issues.

Some will call this “conservative” talk though I’m surely not a pathetic conservative. Neither liberal (feminine) men or conservatives have any insight for sexual dynamics.

 

[corrector]

I’m not joking here or trying to be some goofy edgelord. I now think being in a “relationship,” that is, being a “boyfriend,” that is, is one of the lowest positions a man can be in. It is being a woman’s pet, and if there is no marriage, the “relationship” goes nowhere and nothing came out of it. No children, no family alliances, and no pooling of resources or division of household labor.

Legal prostitution is available in some places. If a man wants to simply have sex with many women, he can go to them. Stranger women literally have nothing to offer men besides their bodies. Screwing 100 women—which most here will never or cannot do—isn’t going to cure whatever deep, serious issue some man has with his self image. Although getting no validation from a woman will make a man miserable, having sex with many, though thrilling, isn’t going to provide something to a marriage or cure his mental issues.

Some will call this “conservative” talk though I’m surely not a pathetic conservative. Neither liberal (feminine) men or conservatives have any insight for sexual dynamics.

Marriage means nothing because of no fault divorce, which women abuse most if not all the time. I literally had a two month marriage after a big wedding and have been in no contact the whole time except for an isolated blip here or there once in a blue moon.

 

[Gamisch]

Few things come to mind.

What's the quality of the women you get? Be honest. Because it's difficult (for me) to imagine a man(with a 16 ish notch count) fecking a beautiful smart woman and NOT catching feelings. That would make more sense if you had 160 women for example.

One night stands do not give you provide much experience with women. Therefore, there is no minimum IMHO. Now, marriage is a different story. I would make sure you have at least 3 LTRs under your belt before considering marriage or a considerable amount of time with your 3rd one.

I agree. I don't know. (Failed) relationships are necessary to become a man. Its part of a man's journey. If you only ever see women from a ONS or just sex pov imo you're kinda missing out..

I’m not joking here or trying to be some goofy edgelord. I now think being in a “relationship,” that is, being a “boyfriend,” that is, is one of the lowest positions a man can be in. It is being a woman’s pet, and if there is no marriage, the “relationship” goes nowhere and nothing came out of it. No children, no family alliances, and no pooling of resources or division of household labor.

Legal prostitution is available in some places. If a man wants to simply have sex with many women, he can go to them. Stranger women literally have nothing to offer men besides their bodies. Screwing 100 women—which most here will never or cannot do—isn’t going to cure whatever deep, serious issue some man has with his self image. Although getting no validation from a woman will make a man miserable, having sex with many, though thrilling, isn’t going to provide something to a marriage or cure his mental issues.

Some will call this “conservative” talk though I’m surely not a pathetic conservative. Neither liberal (feminine) men or conservatives have any insight for sexual dynamics.

Interesting take.

It seems that the narrative is completely different from what it was when and where I grew up. Having "the hottest women in town as gf's " was kinda of a status symbol for us back then. Everybody had a girlfriend or multiple girlfriends. Now it seems as having a girlfriend means a man is beta by default.

While imo, if YOU are a catch women will
simply try to lock you down. You either put up a extremely high notch count, or one woman will come along and take you off the market.

Oh, and prostitution is legal here, and I can already tell you that fecking a prostitute will NEVER be the same as lets say a ONS, even if its the same woman! The quality of sex isn't comparable. Its like eating Mexican from tacobell vs eating Mexican at someone's house made by someone's grandmother.

Perhaps that's my whole point: being with one woman over a extended period of time also means another way of having sex. If you never cross the 6 months mark you won't ever find out.

 

[Manure Spherian]

no fault divorce,

No-fault divorce should be outlawed!

 

[The Duke]

Get into a relationship when you have nothing more to prove to yourself and/or you are tired of changing out girls on a regular basis and sharing your life story.

I've been with 75 girls. Done every type of relationship possible. I'm late 40's and I don't care to bang random girls just because I can anymore. So things change depending on where you are at in life. Just go with the flow, and be open to trying it all. When it's not enjoyable anymore, it's time to change course.

 

[SW15]

I’m not joking here or trying to be some goofy edgelord. I now think being in a “relationship,” that is, being a “boyfriend,” that is, is one of the lowest positions a man can be in.

You have an interesting point here. It's worth exploring.

It is being a woman’s pet, and if there is no marriage, the “relationship” goes nowhere and nothing came out of it. No children, no family alliances, and no pooling of resources or division of household labor.

Legal prostitution is available in some places. If a man wants to simply have sex with many women, he can go to them. Stranger women literally have nothing to offer men besides their bodies. Screwing 100 women—which most here will never or cannot do—isn’t going to cure whatever deep, serious issue some man has with his self image. Although getting no validation from a woman will make a man miserable, having sex with many, though thrilling, isn’t going to provide something to a marriage or cure his mental issues.

The main advantage of the boyfriend phase in most Western secular relationships is the sex. The sex has a certain amount of value. One can say that conventional boyfriend-girlfriend dating is indirectly paying for sex vs. directly paying for sex. On the surface, indirectly paying for sex appear less expensive. Less expensive, somewhat frequent sex appeals to most men and that's why people conventionally date.

The husband phase might involve some of the benefits you describe like children, family alliances, pooling of resources, and divisions of household labor. Boyfriends who don't live with their girlfriends have to cook their own meals and cleaning their own homes. The husband phase might involve some of those benefits but a lot of downside risk. Fewer and fewer couples are reaching their 25th anniversary of their first marriage.

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Some will call this “conservative” talk though I’m surely not a pathetic conservative. Neither liberal (feminine) men or conservatives have any insight for sexual dynamics.

Caleb Jones (aka Blackdragon, Alpha Male 2.0) and Rollo Tomassi have both said the same thing you said there.