How I got rich (By request of a few members)

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remainds me of "cash flow" make your money work for you.

It's very insiering to hear succes stories like that. I on the other hand am in the process of learning a $3000 dollar lesson on, how to dump the stock when it's not making your monney.:rolleyes:

I will defenitly look into this, probably not right away though, i'm in over my head on some other ****.

Thanx for posting this tho.
 

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I emailed AF who has been a pro trader his entire life and asked him about Forex. He said:

There's no central clearing or quoting in the "small forex" industry. These shops make the markets themselves and deliver quotes they way they see fit, including spread and slippage.

You won't get the fills you think and stops will magically get hit, even when 90% of the other shops show no trades at those prices. Many of these places even cut off automatic execution features if you become profitable through scalping. Then they'll refer you to fine print that says their systems are not designed for scalpers.


Apparently there is no regulation at all. They are 'making the market' just like the bucket shops of Jesse Livermore's day. It is like the Wild West of trading.
 

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Professional Sports bettors do the same damn thing btw: They predict how high the chance of winning a bet is (by using mathematical/statistical formulas for certain types of bets (the more the better)...and pull the trigger if a bet has a winning chance of 55% or higher according to their formulas (which means if they take that bet 1,000,000 times they'll win it around 550,000 times...little exaggeration of course).

With trading, batting average is only half the battle. You could be almost always right, but get eaten up by one big loss. I saw traders lose their accounts this way, even when they were profitable on 70-80% of their trades. The other factor to consider in making a decision is the ration of potential reward to potential risk. AngelsPUA said that he cuts a loss at 20 pips and tries to get 100 pips out of a big winner. That's a 5:1 reward to risk ratio, which is very good. I was taught to look for 3:1 minimum.
 

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..made a little mistake forgive me for making 2 posts guys lol..
 

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In the case of sport betting it is more of an instinct than a mathematical calculation. It is almost impossible to find a pattern. If you watch football a lot like I do it is easier to find a good bet, and thus win more times than you lose in a large number of bets. But that goes for how well you know the teams, form, injuries etc and not mathematical calculations. Anyways professional betters have a winning percentage of as high as 90% so they don't do the numbers game like you said relying on the 5% to make them money, THEY know football!
Just curious, but what makes you think all that? Not trying to diss or anything, but it sounds like that's something you just assume, b/c you've been told they win 90% and 'know' the game. It's simply not true...and those who are telling people they make 90% a year are usually scams that make a living by ppl who fall for their stuff...

Look at those links:

http://www.windersports.net/winningpercentages.htm

http://www.sportsinsights.com/sportsbettingresources.asp

http://professionalgambler.com/Winperct.html

http://www.sportsinsights.com/sportsbooks/si_suggested.asp

They are the first 4 links that show up when I google for "Professional sports bettors" and "winning percentages" and in every one it says something along the lines "people usually believe pro bettors sustain a very high winning percentage, but they only win 55-58/60% of their bets usually".

I've read a whole lot of stuff about this topic and believe me they do use mathematical formulas..one quote by one of the most successful baseball bettors:

"Here are many of the factors that I consider, and a rough idea of how I go about evaluating all these considerations in relation to any game to be played.

For my MONEY LINE I look at teams and pitchers separately. I begin by closely estimating a team's percentage chance of winning a game by evaluating that team's overall statistics compared to those of its opponent. In doing so I look mainly at the following areas of performance: Win/loss record overall, W/L home and away, W/L against Right and Left hand pitching, day and night, grass and turf, and batting performance I look at each team's last 10 games, whether or not they are in a losing or winning streak, their position in the home and road schedule, the ball park (its nature and dimensions). I consider the weather, the umpires (plate umpires), and lineups I have a very strong way of factoring in runs scored/runs allowed percentages, and much, much more.

The other half of the game, pitching, I handicap separate from the teams. In pitching I consider the starting pitcher's overall performance, his recent performance and his general performance over a period of time, also as per the ball park in which he'll be pitching. I determine what percentage of the game he'll be pitching and multiply that number by the final ERA number I assess to him. I then combine this number with that part of the bullpen and its contribution that will most likely act as his relief. Next I add the starter and the bullpen factors together for a final pitching factor for each team.

Next, I take my final team factor and mathematically combine it with that team's pitching factor for the game I do this for both the home and away teams, and then compare these on a relative basis. For example, the home team might end up with a composite factor of 300, while the visiting team might end up with a composite factor of 200. Dividing the larger factor (the proposed favorite) by the smaller gives me a money line. In this example that would be 300 divided by 200 equals 1.5. This equates to the favorite being $1.50 on a true, no juice line.

Simple, but a lot of work. Accurate! Well, it usually makes me a net of up to 10 cents on the dollar at season's end. "


They really do use mathematical or rather statistical formulas..they apply statistics (which is part of applied maths) to be able to predict probabilities, thus they can tell which of the bets they consider have a winning percentage of 55% or over...and that way...by placing enough bets, they do make money that way.

The tricky part is that, of course they could have a somewhat higher winning percentage than 55-60%. Maybe even 70%. That way however they'd place maybe 200 bets per year, but by using all bets that have a higher chance of winning than just 55% they can place around 2,000 - 3,000 bets per year. And by placing 2,000 or 3,000 bets each year they make gains of around 100% though really just having a winning percentage of say 57%.

That allows them to turn their cash over WAY more often and they make a lot of money.


However, I don't plan on becoming rich betting on sports or suggest anyone on here does, as I don't know enough about that thing and b/c it seems to me that being able to become successful in the world of sports betting (c-o-n-s-t-a-n-t-l-y) is even WAY harder to pull of than being successful trading stocks/currencies/etc. (even though that isn't exactly easy either...)

But, I think one can learn a great deal from pro sports bettors:

- wise money management (they always place the same amount of cash on every bet and never place more than 1% per bet, to minimize their risk)

- they have an approach, that works. That way they don't depend on luck, b/c they don't care too much whether they lose some money on one day and dont overrate winning some money on the next day, b/c if their system is working, which they can find out by using the right simulation tools, then it's working and they WILL make money in the long run.

..and those 2 things are important at the stock market, too, whether you're a trader or a long term investor...you don't put all your money on one stock, b/c that would mean depending on luck and taking a high risk...in other words you'd be gambling.
..and you do need to have an approach that's working. Without having one that's proven to work, there's no point in trading (or investing in) the market!
 
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madgame said:
Just curious, but what makes you think all that? Not trying to diss or anything, but it sounds like that's something you just assume, b/c you've been told they win 90% and 'know' the game. It's simply not true...and those who are telling people they make 90% a year are usually scams that make a living by ppl who fall for their stuff...
Experience. In the last 4 years I spent more time in betting houses than at home (if you don't count sleeping). Although I wasn't 18 yet my father would make the bets for me. My father is a veteran by now. When the championships are on he makes about 10-20 bets a day. Consider that the football season goes for about 200 of 365 days every year he bets about 200*15= 3000 times a year. He even bets on north american hockey and baseball without seeing a single match in his life. Why? For fun. BETTING IS NOT A SOURCE OF INCOME. It is a hobby. You got to love the sport you bet on.

I win about 25%. My father wins about 65%, considering he has a job and only spends 1-2 hours everyday to make the bets its pretty good. Other people live from this, believe me they win more than 80%. Now you could tell me that those sites say something else. Do you think my father or the other people would lie to me?

"Here are many of the factors that I consider, and a rough idea of how I go about evaluating all these considerations in relation to any game to be played.

.........

Simple, but a lot of work. Accurate! Well, it usually makes me a net of up to 10 cents on the dollar at season's end. "
I do that. Like I said I consider forms, last 10 games statistics, home away statistics, injuries, last minute atmosphere, what players play on every position, 4-4-2 vs 5-3-2 and a lot of that stuff. After I research all this stuff it comes down to your instinct. Actually instinct matters more than all the statistics and if you are into football, watch it everyday, basically live football then you can win 90%.

I kind of took it slower with the betting after Faeroe Island made a 2-2 with Scotland :kick: , making me loose about 1000 $. That's what sucks.

I said earlier that I win just about 25%. Well I have a different style. I search games in which underdogs could win. Thinking about money it kind of levels up because underdogs always have very high odds, but it takes more time and a developed feeling for risks. The only reason I do it is because I don't do it for money, so I can take whatever risk I want, and that makes it 5 times of the thrill then when you bet on the favourites like my father does. Another reason why I do it is because I hated loosing on the favourites like on that cursed match between Faeroe and Scotland.:mad:

Anyways I don't know one guy that does not love the adrenaline that comes from it. That's what makes it so exciting! They all do it for the thrill!!!! If you don't like football (baseball in your case) then its all just not something that will make you go on and on.

PS live betting is the sh!t, nothing compares to it, no statistics no nothing, you only bet on how you feel the game.

Sorry for the big oftopic, lets talk about Angelus in this thread ;)
 
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He even bets on north american hockey and baseball without seeing a single match in his life. Why? For fun. BETTING IS NOT A SOURCE OF INCOME. It is a hobby. You got to love the sport you bet on.
No offense, but that just made my day. He must really love the sports of which he doesn't see a single match in his life lol

When you say they win 80% that means they win 80% of their 50-50 bets..on which the average individual who doesn't have a clue about sports betting would win approximately 50% (and thus lose money b/c of the fees they pay) in the long run? (b/c that's what winning percentages of 55-60% refer to)

b/c if so their cash multiplies by the number 18 annually, if they just place 1% of their money on each bet.

I guess it's up to me to decide whether i should believe renowned pro bettors who have gains of about 100% each year risking 1% of their bankroll per bet or if I believe the people who can multiply their cash by the number 18 each year.

But you're right let's stop this off-topic discussion, it's going nowhere really so let's stop this.
 

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damn when i read this it reminds me of paris hilton's song, but it's not the stars who are blind, but you guys...it seems so great what this guy supposedly did, that you just don't want to believe, that he's just a liar. come on guys, this is the internet...you wouldn't believe to how many celebrities i've spoken on the net before....and hey they didn't have a reason to lie to me, after all they didnt charge me any money............

so the kid gets an interest rate of 8%? where do you get an interest rate of 8%?lol .....and then he buys a store, which earn him 1k a week on 400k...which is 12k a year which means he gets an interest of 3% on that store...........yeah right if u can get an 8% interest of course you buy stores which get u 3%...

i really cant believe nobody doubts him...

btw, who are the members who asked him to post a thread on how he got rich? he got registered on july 8th...made a couple of crazy freaky posts (posted by immature persons staying with him), he's makign an around the world trip and he looks for a discussion board called sosuave where he can write all this stuff, because he doesn't have anything better to do during his around the world trip?

open your eyes, guys...in case i'm wrong i'm sorry, but to my eyes this is nothing but somebody trying to get some attention trying to make people believe he lives the life everybody wanna live....and he's good at it, that i gotta admit...

for real Angelus who asked you how you got rich?
 

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somebody just told me i made a silly mistake - a year has 52 weeks not 12...seems like this argument is no longer valid ;-).

however, i'm still wondering who heard so many stories about angelus since he was registered on july 8th, that they asked him questions and asked him to post how he got rich just a few weeks later. maybe there's something i'm missing out on again (obviously i missed out on the fact that a year has more than 12 weeks lol), though...also i'm thinkin somebody should have stepped up during this post and thanked angelus for finally posting what they wanted him to post?? in case the guy has 3 accounts on here, he can of course prove me wrong (ill watch out for the registry date ;-)) but if you can't offer me any screen names of people who wanted to know how you got rich who will confirm it, i simply dont believe it and have to think it's a scam like 99% of those things
 

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In order for it to be a scam you have to lose something and he has to gain something. And he seems very knowledgable about the subject. But hey, if it makes you feel better to think he's lying, more power to you.
 

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Hehe Then what about the hundreds of other trolls on this site? What did they have to gain? That's right... Attention!

I'm honestly unsure about his story.. but all I know is that it's inspiring.. and I want to believe it ;)
 

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thegamedontwait said:
somebody just told me i made a silly mistake - a year has 52 weeks not 12...seems like this argument is no longer valid ;-).

however, i'm still wondering who heard so many stories about angelus since he was registered on july 8th, that they asked him questions and asked him to post how he got rich just a few weeks later. maybe there's something i'm missing out on again (obviously i missed out on the fact that a year has more than 12 weeks lol), though...also i'm thinkin somebody should have stepped up during this post and thanked angelus for finally posting what they wanted him to post?? in case the guy has 3 accounts on here, he can of course prove me wrong (ill watch out for the registry date ;-)) but if you can't offer me any screen names of people who wanted to know how you got rich who will confirm it, i simply dont believe it and have to think it's a scam like 99% of those things

Yes I am scamming you into trying out the FOREX market which is a well established popular market. To what end? I obviously can't get any money out of you joining FOREX and frankly I don't care if you join it.

"99% of those things" what you mean the Stock, futures, bond, commodities markets are scams?

Samependo

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SELF-MASTERY or MetalFortress

Asked on the public forum and 12 people asked me privately. I will not give you the names of the people that asked privately because that would be betraying their confidence.

People like you really annoy me everything is going well and you start trouble out of nowhere this thread reached 4 pages without a flame war which for Sosuave is a record so don’t try to start sh*t now.

Saying FOREX is a scam is ignorant, try doing some research it’s a well established market just like the stock marker not a pyramid scheme.
 

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AngelusPUA said:
And Neon because I have spoken to you on MSN and you are cool to put your mind at ease I will send you a screen shot of my trading platform were you can see somethign like 2mill in there.
Hehe, if you wanan do that just take a picture of your computer with your camera.. screen shots are too easy to edit ;)

And thanks bro.. I'd liek to know that the story that inspired me is true.. lol
 

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my first language is french, i'm sorry, scam was the wrong word, i meant to say troll. i didnt say youre getting money out of it, i just suspected you to be somebody looking for attention. however after you could name me 3 guys who really asked you that, i apologize and i'll be quiet. it's just as hard to believe as it is if somebody who you're chatting with tells you they are a certain celebrity, i mean you'll usually think 'yeah right, either she's a celebrity or she's just trying to be cool, ill go with trying to be cool'

but anyways, i apologized and will withdraw from this discusion now.
 

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thegamedontwait said:
my first language is french, i'm sorry, scam was the wrong word, i meant to say troll. i didnt say youre getting money out of it, i just suspected you to be somebody looking for attention. however after you could name me 3 guys who really asked you that, i apologize and i'll be quiet. it's just as hard to believe as it is if somebody who you're chatting with tells you they are a certain celebrity, i mean you'll usually think 'yeah right, either she's a celebrity or she's just trying to be cool, ill go with trying to be cool'

but anyways, i apologized and will withdraw from this discusion now.
You don't need to withdraw, stay here maybe you might learn something.
 

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Angelus, I believe your story is plausible and more likely than not to be true. Could you tell us how you were able to consistently beat everyone else in this game?

I suspect you spent a lot of time studying patterns in the market and developed a sixth sense about the behavior of a few specific currency pairs. Then you were able to recognize certain trends and jump in and out at the right time. Did you basically feel what was going to happen in the market and act on it based on observed experience?

It seems to me that you just have a natural gift to see trends and patterns in the graphs and you are one of the lucky few able to come out ahead. You aren't analyzing historic data and making mathematic models are you or any complex stuff like that?
 

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AngelusPUA said:
You can edit camer pictures to...... especially with my software but ok whatever
Haha, at least you admit to it.. Hehe, I'd liek to see 2 million in a trading platform any day! Pshh.. imagine.. a picture of a successful persons means of income! Haha, I'd be honored to see a picture for your computer.. You can put it up on image shack and PM me the link bro! Thanks!
 

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arglebargle said:
Angelus, I believe your story is plausible and more likely than not to be true. Could you tell us how you were able to consistently beat everyone else in this game?

I suspect you spent a lot of time studying patterns in the market and developed a sixth sense about the behavior of a few specific currency pairs. Then you were able to recognize certain trends and jump in and out at the right time. Did you basically feel what was going to happen in the market and act on it based on observed experience?

It seems to me that you just have a natural gift to see trends and patterns in the graphs and you are one of the lucky few able to come out ahead. You aren't analyzing historic data and making mathematic models are you or any complex stuff like that?
I am just good at it, not everybody has the head and dedication for FOREX.

I set myself a few rules which I stuck by at any cost, discipline was the key my success most people fail not because of the market but because they are undisciplined. I cannot stress enough the importance of discipline and you can NEVER let emotion get in the way.

Most people lose 20 pips they get angry and make a stupid investment to get revenge on the market and they lose everything.

Here are the rules that kept me on track and made me successful when 90% of others failed.

-Trade only one or two currencies, if those currencies don’t move for the day don’t put your money in other currencies. If there is no movement in your two main currencies don’t trade for the day.

-Keep a trader journal so you can learn from your mistakes

-The pas does not equal the future; historical trend information is not solid proof of where a price will go tomorrow

-Stop orders are there to protect my money and once that are set they should NEVER be moved down only up to trail your profits.

-If you lose your first 3 trades of the day, turn off your computer and start again tomorrow.

-Never bet more than 2% of your equity or 10-20% if you are just starting with 1-2k.

-Never let emotion take control of your trading, the perfect trader has no emotion when he trades.

-If you do find yourself getting emotional whilst trading turn off your computer and go do something to relax.

-Never go against what your trading plan says (mine says cut losses of at 20-30 pips and only buy when all indicators are saying the same thing.)

-Don’t be greedy if you mange to make anything over 10pips that is already a 10% profit of your investment and it is more than enough.

-Always set stop orders

There are probably a few more but thats all I can recall now
 
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