How I got 60 phone #'s in 22 days

[white sox bill]

OK I admit I have a huge advantage here. I own an all female gym and between the members and the huge amount of people indooor tanning, I have a virtual unlimited number if females at my disposal.

Last month, I found out that the group Hinder was coming to my area in May. I bought two tix and had my manager put out a contest box to allow people to enter a drawing with the winner going to dinner,concert and out on the town w/yours truly. I was somewhat afraid no one would enter. I was wrong. The entries continue to pour in daily. Last count I had 60, including a 15 yr old, several 50 plus women, married women, women with BF's,single women, fugly women even a couple of guys. On the average, I'd rate 30 of the entires a 7 or better. The avg age is around 25-30 or so. The ones who interest me the most are:

*A cute woman, 34 who's been married 12 yrs entered 4 times! I tried getting info on her married life w/ no conclusions as to its status
*A female I've been training/flirting with for some time who has a BF and never mentions him.
*A hot 25 yr old who flirts with me when I see her

Now I realize there are a certain % of entries just want to see Hinder and are not interested in me. I may even do this same thing for some other concerts this summer and fall.

Wish me luck guys and I would NEVER EVER (yea right Bill) think of "rigging" the drawing!

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo WSB,



That's a great idea, soldier! All is fair in love because around here at least, we all know love really IS "war". So go ahead and rig that dang contest to YOUR favor.lol

I have tried similar tactics here in Memphis-TEN in the past by promoting some books that I've written, and it was fairly successful. I wasn't QUITE the man I am today, so that's why I wasn't able to capitalize on it the way I would NOW.

The self-knowledge and the inner-strength training that I've undergone over the past year and a half has made ALL the difference for me when it comes to approaching women these days.

Here are some things I learned from having been a minor, local celebrity that should help you on your mission:

ALWAYS think of yourself as AS MUCH of a Prize as the concert package you are promoting. I'd advise you to start marketing yourself to women as the Hugh Hefner of Female Fitness, White Sox Bill. Start dressing a little nicer, and a little more UPSCALE while you're at the gym (IF you're not doing this already).

Never suplicate by showing too much OBVIOUS interest in any ONE of those chicks vying to win that contest. This will LOWER their perception of YOU being thought of as part of "the prize" if you start doing this. These women want something YOU'VE got----NOT the other way around.

Hell, you're the OWNER of a Babe Gym-----always try to come across as busy, suave, and ABOVE IT ALL. Start to speak to the babe customers entering the gym a little LESS about the contest itself. Never come across as being MORE excited about the outcome of the contest than THEY are.

Try to keep it light, jocular, BUT business like. Inject a little mystery into your personality and your general conversations with them. What you're doing here is implanting a series of question marks into the mind of these babes. And the question marks, once turned UPSIDE DOWN, can be used as HOOKS.

Use these "hooks" to hook them into wanting to know more about YOU----not just the contest package. Your mission, soldier, is to make these chicks think of getting to know YOU as just as big of an event as the concert itself.

The last time I had a booksigning, I was NOT as prepared as I am NOW to take advantage of this "Podium Effect", but now I'm armed and dangerous, troops...

Good Hunting WSB, I wish you MUCH success!

And keep us posted. You've actually inspired ME to get off my ass again and follow YOUR lead, soldier!



March on.

 

[grinder]

That was some great thinking. Yummy, like a kid in a candy store that gets to pick his favorite dish.

The real win here is the prescreening that happened. You now have a pool that, as far as you know, already has some fairly high IL.

You’d probably have to go on a lot of “sympathy dates” with the “losers” that did not win. How terrible for you. Hahaha.

 

[white sox bill]

Yo WSB,



That's a great idea, soldier! All is fair in love because around here at least, we all know love really IS "war". So go ahead and rig that dang contest to YOUR favor.lol

I have tried similar tactics here in Memphis-TEN in the past by promoting some books that I've written, and it was fairly successful. I wasn't QUITE the man I am today, so that's why I wasn't able to capitalize on it the way I would NOW.

The self-knowledge and the inner-strength training that I've undergone over the past year and a half has made ALL the difference for me when it comes to approaching women these days.

Here are some things I learned from having been a minor, local celebrity that should help you on your mission:

ALWAYS think of yourself as AS MUCH of a Prize as the concert package you are promoting. I'd advise you to start marketing yourself to women as the Hugh Hefner of Female Fitness, White Sox Bill. Start dressing a little nicer, and a little more UPSCALE while you're at the gym (IF you're not doing this already).

Never suplicate by showing too much OBVIOUS interest in any ONE of those chicks vying to win that contest. This will LOWER their perception of YOU being thought of as part of "the prize" if you start doing this. These women want something YOU'VE got----NOT the other way around.

Hell, you're the OWNER of a Babe Gym-----always try to come across as busy, suave, and ABOVE IT ALL. Start to speak to the babe customers entering the gym a little LESS about the contest itself. Never come across as being MORE excited about the outcome of the contest than THEY are.

Try to keep it light, jocular, BUT business like. Inject a little mystery into your personality and your general conversations with them. What you're doing here is implanting a series of question marks into the mind of these babes. And the question marks, once turned UPSIDE DOWN, can be used as HOOKS.

Use these "hooks" to hook them into wanting to know more about YOU----not just the contest package. Your mission, soldier, is to make these chicks think of getting to know YOU as just as big of an event as the concert itself.

The last time I had a booksigning, I was NOT as prepared as I am NOW to take advantage of this "Podium Effect", but now I'm armed and dangerous, troops...

Good Hunting WSB, I wish you MUCH success!

And keep us posted. You've actually inspired ME to get off my ass again and follow YOUR lead, soldier!



March on.

Victory thanks for the encouraging words! What books have you written? Do you feel like sharing them with us? Lit was one of my fav subjects in college.

Yes I do dress up during the day(when I'm not in my tank top) and always have a Polo shirt on with some nice shorts. When I'm at front desk, I NEVER mention the box which is located 2 feet from me. They usually spot it, then ask a few questions. A few even have that deer in the headlights look in thier eyes when they realize the PM is with me.

At first I thought it might look desperate...only a couple have said "Oh this is only a ploy to get a date" partly said because the entry mentions "Help Bill with his tax write offs!" And on the entry blank, you have to check a box regarding your interst in going to concert with me. 95% have marked "Very high interest"

 

[white sox bill]

That was some great thinking. Yummy, like a kid in a candy store that gets to pick his favorite dish.

The real win here is the prescreening that happened. You now have a pool that, as far as you know, already has some fairly high IL.

You’d probably have to go on a lot of “sympathy dates” with the “losers” that did not win. How terrible for you. Hahaha.

Ya I was thinking on runner up dates! LOL

 

[Victory Unlimited]

At first I thought it might look desperate...only a couple have said "Oh this is only a ploy to get a date" partly said because the entry mentions "Help Bill with his tax write offs!" And on the entry blank, you have to check a box regarding your interst in going to concert with me. 95% have marked "Very high interest"

Yo WSB,


Yeah, I used to get a few responses like that as well when I was on publicity junkets. But you know what? The same chicks who tried to "drop salt on my game" were the SAME ones who were all over me at the signing events.

I'm thinking this is nothing more than them trying to knock YOU off your pedestal---to try to re-assume The Prize position, in order for you to put THEM back on the pedestal INSTEAD of you. It's just a trick, WSB, don't fall for it. lol

And another reason why chicks try to punch holes in YOUR ego in front of OTHER women is because they want these OTHER chicks to drop out of the "contest" to gain your undivided ATTENTION. And we all know how important commanding a man's attention is to most women, don't we?

Hah! Keep up the good work, man. Press on. Continue your attack.

It seems to ME like you've got'em right where you want'em!

Oh, and I just tried to PM you dude, but your mailbox is FULL...

 

[white sox bill]

Oh, and I just tried to PM you dude, but your mailbox is FULL...[/QUOTE]


not anymore Bro!

 

[STR8UP]

Seems a little contrived, but hey, I'm all about leveraging what you got to get what you want. I'm doing just that myself. If ya got it, use it.

 

[MacAvoy]

What a great unique idea. I need to find me a gym to buy.

 

[ElChoclo]

So if it is not rigged, you could theoretically end up with a married 50 year fugly? Not good.

So if it is rigged, you have had to deceitfully arrange for your intended target to receive dinner and concert at your expense, as opposed to just asking them to go with you? Asking someone to go on an expensive outing like that as an initial date would be considered AFC would it not?

I can't endorse it. Correct approach would have been to work your way through the list of desirable candidates until you got an acceptance. This method of yours is weak because if you were to make a move they could legitimately say, "Hey, I'm just here because I won a contest, not because I like you in some way."

 

[Vulpine]

This method of yours is weak because if you were to make a move they could legitimately say, "Hey, I'm just here because I won a contest, not because I like you in some way."

I didn't want to criticize the idea, it shows some enginuity. However, it is my opinion that this is the epitome of "creepy". It would have been far less creepy if you weren't underhanded about it:

"Win a date with Bill!"

And even then, consider the women entering: gold diggers.

It's certainly not my style, but perhaps you can pull it off. Women are somewhat oblivious to schemes like this, so you might actually have some luck.

I can't see it working for anything but an STR or ONS, however. Consider the mechanics: she won the prize. She didn't have to work to earn the prize, it dropped in her lap. I can say that I have a different appreciation for things that I busted my ass to get then the things I have gotten for free. There is a different satisfaction and pleasure, an affection, that one feels towards something they earned that just isn't there with gifts and windfalls.

I could go on and on about IL mechanics here and about attraction, but I'll be brief: These women have low IL and will not be attracted. You are putting yourself in a "walking dildo" position for a woman to use you: who can respect that? Even women marking "Very High" on the little form are only playing the game well to get a free meal.

Then again, maybe I'm scared of your gargantuan nuts (that it must take to attempt this), WSB, and I need to STFU. Either way, you're pot committed at this point; so all I can say is good luck - let us know how it works out.
:cheer:

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo ElChoclo and Vulpine,


You guys have brought up some very good, and very VALID points. And I respect your opinions on this. And I, too, DEFINITELY see the pitfalls that could await WSB as he goes about his mission.

But I still FULLY believe this is a GREAT idea. Here are the reasons why:

By doing this contest thing, he IS establishing himself as the Prize (simply because he is LINKED to "a" prize. No need to go into the concepts of neuro-associations and things of that nature here, because I KNOW you guys already get the point I'm making.

But I agree that this will make him a TARGET, but not JUST for Golddiggers, but for ALL the women who enter. Women who HAVE noticed him before but were too INHIBITED to approach HIM directly NOW have the perfect excuse. They can NOW place themselves on HIS radar without appearing overly agressive or downright slutty.

But this is something that ALL men of a percieved value have to go through, be they celebrities, actors, rich guys, athletes, or whatever. All WSB is doing is using this as a method to push a large majority of women thorugh his pipeline AT THE SAME TIME.

Unfortunately, wading through the hordes of Low Interest chicks MASQUERADING as High Interest chicks is something that is just a fact of our lives. So if we're gonna HAVE to do this, this is a great way to speed up the process.

This method he is using will enable him to qualify or disqualify THEM just as quickly as they may plan on doing to him. This is WAR, soldiers! And this plan of attack will enable WSB to gather a lot of targets in ONE place at one time.

But I agree, this can get sticky. Here's some more suggestions for White Sox Bill:

1. Depending on the date of the concert, and if you have a few weeks before it occurs, it may be a good idea to pick the women that YOU are attracted to who have ALREADY entered the contest-----and ask them out on a brief, coffee-type date. If they go, follow all the DJ Handbook rules, and see how far you can get romantically with them, with NO mention of the Big Concert Date.

And if the chick is all over you, she MIGHT actually have a high interest in you ANYWAY-----which is what you want. But if she REFUSES the short, inexpensive coffee date, makes no DEFINITIVE counteroffer, or if she is in ANYWAY hesitant, THEN you now KNOW not to pick HER ass in the lottery.

The beauty of this method is that you can PRE-SCREEN 2 or 3 chicks a day, BEFORE the big concert prize date. And have FUN while you're doing it, man.

2. Make it WELL KNOWN that you are going to let someone ELSE on your staff pull the winning ticket. But YOU will STILL be able to fix the outcome by doing this: Make sure you place the entries in a LOCK BOX that only YOU have the key to. Take the entrance box home with you the night you cut off the entries.

You then pick the card with the woman that YOU want to win, empty out ALL the other entries, and only place REPLICAS of THAT winning babe's entry card inside. This will assure you that ONLY this babe will be chosen (What a SURPRISE!).

3. Also, you MIGHT want to expand your contest enterer base by distributing your entry cards at AGREEABLE, neighboring businesses. Also, encourage some chick "friends" of yours to pass out the entry cards themselves at OTHER places. Besides, we NEVER know from which direction a truly STELLAR babe will be coming from, do we?

Although NO plan is assured of victory (that is, unless I'M involved...because I AM "Victory" after all...LOL), I feel that if WSB implements the ABOVE strategies, they will act as a failsafe and a safeguard against a GOOD amount of the more OBVIOUS opportunistic, golddigger type women he may encounter.


March on.

 

[white sox bill]

ElChoclo and Vulpine have valid points...which is why I didn't pose this thread until AFTER I had already started my version of "Bachelor". I knew there would be naysayers...and I'm fine with that. I respect thier opinoins.

Vulpine in response to "creepy" bro, "Pervert" may be a better adjective!

In this small town of 25K, I have a well know rep as a player. There are 6 or 8 entries that don't even know me! If I have one thing going for me, is my trustwothiness. As a rule, most people know I'm not a mass murderer,rapist,pedophile etc. They are relaxed around me, although some women get plenty fidgety around me too.

Had several more entries in the last few days including one 25 yr old who recently told me her marriage is on the rocks!LOL!

Victory, I like your war plan...mass the troops on the border, then strike from the air! Like you said alls fair in love and war, including this ploy.

VU I can't hardly call any of these women, that would imply that I have sorted through the entries. But I can and will ask a few of them when I see them in person!

Who will pull the winner? My 2 best friends are State cops, and I will let one of them do it. I can always paper clip the winning blank so he can feel for it, Or someone suggested freezing the winner overnight so it feels nice and cold!

Will let you all know how it turns out

 

[MacAvoy]

I agree with Victory. Prescreen as many dates as you can, use it to your advantage. But what I would do, is pick some mediocre chick / fugly to show everyone that the contest wasn't rigged. That will boost your social proof even more. Meanwhile your going on the real dates in the mean time.

 

[white sox bill]

OK have a winner...first one's fiance got jeolous and wouldn't let her go. So I'm taking this MILF who is 24, divorced w/at least one kid, large chested very attractive (but could stand to lose a few pounds). She entered twice to the drawing BTW

She insisted on meeting someplace (like my house) because she said her BF wouldn't like it if I picked her up at her house. LOL! I'm already sensing she wants it, one of my best friends did her a few yrs ago! I will play it by ear, see if she gets into the kino I will make on her. I have dinner planned, the Hinder comcert and some drinks afterwords. Booze can be a wonderfull thing!

Wish me luck guys!
Bill

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo WSB,



Good luck. And keep us posted.

And I've got a word of advice AND a word of caution for you:

The advice is work that whole list of "interested" women immediately. You now have the PERFECT opening line:

"Hey I see you entered the contest. Too bad you didn't win. But hey, it doesn't have to be a contest for us to take some time to get to know each other."

THEN you shut up and listen. If the woman speaks up positively, you can go ahead an hook up the coffee-type date on the spot. But if she starts stuttering and coming up with excuses about being busy or whatever-------kick her PERMANENTLY to the curb.

Now here's the word of caution:

Since you already know this BIG HOOTER girl has a boyfriend, please DO NOT invest in her emotionally. Instead, think of yourself as the PREDATOR. And just like that alien in the movie, avoid the temptation to see her as a whole person-----but rather, as a target that you have identified by the heat signature rising off her asss (or BOOBS). lol

The reason I say this is because you ALREADY know that this woman's character is questionable as hell. Why? Because no woman that has a boyfriend (that she's exclusive with) would even ENTER a contest like yours.

Protect your HEART, soldier. And...



...March on.

 

[white sox bill]

Yo WSB,



Good luck. And keep us posted.

And I've got a word of advice AND a word of caution for you:

The advise is work that whole list of "interested" women immediately. You now have the PERFECT opening line:

"Hey I see you entered the contest. Too bad you didn't win. But hey, it doesn't have to be a contest for us to take some time to get to know each other."

THEN you shut up and listen. If the woman speaks up positively, you can go ahead an hook up the coffee-type date on the spot. But if she starts stuttering and coming up with excuses about being busy or whatever-------kick her PERMANENTLY to the curb.

Now here's the word of caution:

Since you already know this BIG HOOTER girl has a boyfriend, please DO NOT invest in her emotionally. Instead, think of yourself as the PREDATOR. And just like that alien in the movie, avoid the temptation to see her as a whole person-----but rather, as a target that you have identified by the heat signature rising off her asss (or BOOBS). lol

The reason I say this is because you ALREADY know that this woman's character is questionable as hell. Why? Because no woman that has a boyfriend (that she's exclusive with) would even ENTER a contest like yours.

Protect your HEART, soldier. And...



...March on.

Thanks Victory for the inspirational words. My manager wants to send all the LOSERS a form letter (over 100 of them)thanking them for entering and making a business offer on products and services, then inviting them to look for future dates with WSB like pro baseball,football and The Dave Mathews Band coming up in August.

I can see the value of phrasing the question in the manner you suggested, it determines thier interest on the spot. Do you think it would be rather strange of me to actually phone them though? I mean what if thier SO is within earshot? Wouldn't a letter like above be better? Then do a cross check on who entered BOTH events? Then I may have a winner! Thanks again!

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo WSB,



Yeah, the letter would be more professional and above board sounding. Where I was coming from with the line that I proposed was that it should ONLY be used on chicks that you know will be coming to the gym again anyway.

So if you see THESE chicks again, I would use THAT line then. For all the rest, I think the letter is the way to go.

March on, WSB!

 

[white sox bill]

Seems if it wasn't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all. The MILF calls me last night to tell me she can't go now because she started thinking about her situation. If she meets me on the sly, she has to lie to her BF. If she tells her BF, he would feel very uncomfortable with her going w/me. So, she regretfully backed out. Blah blah blah

Now I gotta get a back up at last minute Damn!

My preferred choices are another MILF who is married, who entered 5 times
or a hot 19 yr old who begged me to take her or this huge and I mean huge chested 21 yr old who I've been training who has a BF but has agreed to come over to my house for dinner sometime.

Think I would have a better time w/the 34 yr old married one. But damn she's married!

 

[Cesare Cardinali]

I agree that this idea is AFC and creepy. Sorry Bill. But you would have been more authentic and successful if you just made a move on chicks you were interested in, rather than using a ploy and trying to buy a date with the ticket.