How good is Doc Love's advice?

[shaken_not_stirred]

copied from one of his articles on what NOT to do on first dates...

"1- Do not touch your date. Don't grab her knee. Don't try to hold her hand. Don't squeeze her shoulder and don't put your arm around her. Men mistakenly think that if they initiate touching, it will somehow "prime the pump" and make the woman want to touch them . The opposite is true. The more you put your hands on her, the more it inhibits her.
The wise man holds back and lets the woman do all the touching, if she is so inclined. The only way you can get a clear "read" is if you watch and wait without trying to manipulate her Interest Level. "


does this only apply to LTR's? i guess if you are trying to shag her the first night, Doc's advice doesn't help you. but everyone here is pretty much Kino Kino Kino. and Doc says hold off for a while. so does that screw stuff up if you end up wanting an LTR? or is Doc Love love just talking about certain scenarios?

 

[Smooth Player 056]

Wow.....do not listen to this guy. KINO (Kinesthetics) is one of the biggest techniques in the seduction community....this guy is a total AFC from the article you posted. Kino does get her more turned on and in a sexual state.

 

[Docs]

holy ****, for a second, I thought he was talking about me :crackup:

absurbity, this Doc Love says do your own style, you know what works and if you don't, try something

 

[everywomanshero]

I wouldn't recommend trying it. lol.

If that is truly his writing, then he is even more clueless than the 5 minutes of his radio address I listened to revealed.

I'm making an opinion based on limited information, but this guy seems to say the opposite of what has proven effective (gotten me laid) in my life.

The fact that he doesn't seem to believe guys can get laid on the first or second date with hot women alone tells me he is a total AFC. Any guy who is even moderately successful with hot women knows it is very possible that if you do not lay a hot women with lots of men after her qucikly, you likely never will. Hot women routinely sleep with guys who do the courtship dance correctly within 3 dates. I think we can safely ignore anything this guy has to say as too much bad information eminates from his AFC-diseased mind.

I honestly think this guy is at a minimum a BAFC virgin or quite possibly homosexual

 

[shaken_not_stirred]

well, i think some of his articles about being a challenge and stuff are good but some of his other ideas are questionable.

here is a link to the full article;

http://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove_150/179_relationship_expert.html

note, first date sortof implies there will be more to follow so this isn't really advice for one-night stands...

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

You guys don't get it. You guys are basing snippets of Doc's system as the gospel. And even though kino is a major aspect to sarging, it'll get you nowhere if you do it too soon to a woman who isn't receptive.

You guys will have questionable sauces as long as you believe that you are going to build a solid DJ foundation by picking up pieces of information from here and there without knowing the entire basis of the theory. You will miss out on key ideas such as Doc's System is geared for LTRs. You guys are talking about pickup stage. You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[shaken_not_stirred]

so how do the lesser mortals go about learning "the entire basis of the theory"?

personally, i'm here to pick up "snippets" and gain knowledge from others ideas. once i have the entire basis of the theory i will no longer come to this place... i'll simply be too busy.

 

[DonJuanMonk]

If you're gonna do kino, read body language first, and just hold her hand and see how she reacts. Everything else will fall into place after that. I speak from my own personal experiences.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by shaken_not_stirred
so how do the lesser mortals go about learning "the entire basis of the theory"?

personally, i'm here to pick up "snippets" and gain knowledge from others ideas. once i have the entire basis of the theory i will no longer come to this place... i'll simply be too busy.

Well, you're getting exactly what is expected if you only want snippets. All you are getting is confusion. Is this why you consider yourself a lesser mortal?

 

[everywomanshero]

I don't understand

Why would anyone want advice on a LTR? The advice you need for that is mostly legal advice for WHEN she files for divorce, child support, etc I don't believe any system will spare you from that given enough time. The SYSTEM you'll be learning from is our beloved legal system, and for that you need an attorney, not doc love.

Getting into a LTR? That's sooo easy. All you do is announce that you're a sucker and will pay for some woman to be a stay at home mom. They will come running by the droves as long as you have a good salary and aren't gross. I "pretended" to be a sucker to lure in a really hot chick from KY once. Her husband had just shut the power off on her because she was cheating on him right and left while he was at basic. She moved in with me for a while until we found out she was pregnant by who knows before I met her. She tried telling me these "twins" were mind but I added the dates up and thank goodness I was off the hook!

She ended up going back to him just long enough for him to sign the birth certificate and then left him for someone else. The only cool thing is she let me watch her make out with some woman on her webcam while she told me all the gruesome details about how bad military guys get screwed in a divorce.

I'd suggest a mail ordr bride for a LTR, at least you won't understand what she's griping about

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Re: I don't understand

Originally posted by everywomanshero
Why would anyone want advice on a LTR? The advice you need for that is mostly legal advice for WHEN she files for divorce, child support, etc I don't believe any system will spare you from that given enough time. The SYSTEM you'll be learning from is our beloved legal system, and for that you need an attorney, not doc love.

Out of curiosity, how many LTR's have you had? Not dating someone for a couple of months; at least six months but more in the lines of a year or more.

 

[everywomanshero]

Myself

I was married for a year and a half. I lived with the pregnant woman for around 7 months. I've lived with a couple of other women for around a year. I did originally enjoy LTRs, but I haven't for some time now.

I don't have anything against guys who want this, and I respect the opinion of others to feel differently. However, there is some liability to consider when you sign a lease, loan, or especially marriage papers. It is most likely that it will come back to bite one in the ass. I don't think we should disillusion anyone about that.
At the same time, I realize I am on the radical end of avoiding LTRs.

 

[Danny001]

I got a book by Doc Love called 'The Dating Dictionary'. There are some good advice in there, but it's more based on relationships and dating, not running game. So, when and if you guys decide to keep a girl for anything more than a lay, his book's for you. It helps you to identify the losers, users, and just one bad idea for a woman.

 

[jardine]

"why would anyone want advice on a LTR"

The whole point, or atleast a very major one of Doc Loves system is the vast majority of dumpings are done by women.Statistics do support this when you see that 70-80% of divorces are initiated by women. Its not meant to be a pick-up manual. It's very similar to anti-dumps articles in a]weeding out women who are just stringing you along. b]when finding a women with genuine interest in you, not ruining it by being anti-challenge i.e too AFC.

As for not touching, he's refering to just the first date. And ofcourse this is only if its LTR based. This is meant to increase her interest level. If your goal is a ONS you could throw this advice out the window.


Other facts that are related are in over 25% of female divorce filings , the guy stated he had "no clue" there was a problem. Separations initiated by women are also in the 70-80% range. So apparently there is a need fot LTR related advice.

 

[Vincent]

That's pretty bad.

 

[sexysuave]

Yup

Exactly. 70 - 80 % of divorces are filed by women. There is things you can do RIGHT and things you can do WRONG in a marriage. You must be a stupid idiot not to realize this. There are REASONS that women divorce man. This is a big problem with you guys, you think you say your "I DOs" and then it's ALL OVER and you dont' have to put any more work into the realatioship since she promissed her self to you till "death do you part".

Maybe it's supposed to be like this, but since we know a bit more about the "game" and the "attraction" we know it's quite natural for women to loose attraction over time. This is where Doc Love comes in as he was some valid ideas and knowledge on how to keep a girl around for a REALLY long time (forever).

You can not get married and think "well whatever happens now will happen anyways". You make choices everyday, you can **** it up by constantly making bad choices when it comes to your love, or you can drastically increase your chances of keeping a relatioship if you make MORE good choices than bad ones. When it comes to long term relationships, Doc Love's stuff is GOOD!
It's ironic, even David D. said it in some of his material: when women are choosing dating partners, they often go for the unpredictable guy, but when she's looking for a MARRIAGE partner she often wants someone predictable.

It's ironic, but pretty easy to understand, maybe I wouldn't go as far as saying tottally predictable, but she wants someone more "stable" for the marriage. I find David D's stuff GREAT for pickin up chicks, but I incorporate more and more of Doc Love's tactics as the relationship goes on. I have read the "dating dictionary" probably more then 15 times, and this guy does NOT teach you to be a "chump", he makes fun of weak man and says that if guys stood up for themselves once in a while, they'll be that much more valuable to women. Find the best combination that works for you, do not believe anything too much, and do not put somones opinion over another until you give it some of your own thoughts. ANY man can be wrong when it comes to something, choose a most valuable combination for your self.

 

[DJHoolahoop]

the funny thing is, is that there was a WOMAN who wrote an article on what creates attraction for women and what turns women on. Touching them in a teasing manner or light contact with your hand on her arm or something, makes them feel more comfortable around you and makes her feel safe.

Touching her a bit can help loosen the tention and for her to open up more. This is what she was talking about too. This is coming from a woman! WHY would they lie about that? Why would a woman make her matters worse by pretending to be turned on by something? Where's the FUN in that?!