How Flakey are women?

[DJDamage]

Can women be flaky even though they had a high interest in you?

Case in point. Last week me and this 21 year old chick (I am 27) went out after class for our date at some bar. After that I invited myself into her place by saying " let me check out your apartment" where we went inside and had a heavy make out session and everything seems good and she was very affectionate.

During the week we barley spoke since she had exams and was studying with her friends. Fast forward to this week and surpise surprise, she is too "buzy" with her school work to go out again and when I went to talk to her about regular stuff she seemed standoffish and disinterested in what I had to say.

Seems like I am out faster then I got in even though I did well the first week. Any suggestions why?? or just chalk it up to the fact the women in their 20's are just notorious flakes??!!

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo DJD,


I say you can chalk it up to TWO things:

1. Yes, women in their early 20's ARE notorious flakes. There are some who are NOT, but it would probably only be the result of a babe with remarkeably high interest, OR a young babe who ACTUALLY has a good idea of what she wants. I know that's rare, but it can happen...lol

2. Never forget, with all the talk on this site about plate spinning, sometimes the hard to accept truth of the matter is that: WE are some women's PLATES!!!! Who do you think originated the behavior that inspired the naming of that concept??? lol

Yeah, as Doc Love says: There are women out here who aren't really THAT interested in us. They are just interested in us enough to date us or DO US when they don't have any other perceived "better" options around.

just went thru THAT scenario AGAIN myself recently. Sigh...I'm STILL livin' and learnin'...



Good hunting out here, my brother...




Peace...one day.

 

[DjVelvet]

Its strange, I think I can understand how this girl thinks. I have tried this myself whenever a girl whom's all over me, that is to ignore her even though I have some interest.

1) She may be doing some tests whether you will cave in and pursue her further. She is delibrately ignoring you.
2) Or.. She may not be interested in the first place which I doubt because you haven't done anything to damage this set.

Will you see her often? In your course of school/work?

In any cases of the above 2.. Ignore her or just a plain Indifferent Hi when you saw her. Let her see you talking to other chicks. There are many examples on this site proving this fact

Good luck.

 

[resilient]

she's into challenge

HB7-10s get approached all the time for dates, so they have to be highly selective in the mating game.

90% of guys out there don't make it past a day2 because of something they did to lower her IL over the date. Women are amazing at remembering every action and word that was said.

That's why our game has on par the first date, so we can raise her interest level enough to hear buying signals that she WANTs to see us again, by her body language, kino, tonality, eye dilation(doggy dinner bowl eyes - if you're lucky enough to see them), etc.

Victory was dead on about his points. We are unfortunately "plates" as well since their observing our every actions and trying to decide which cards to discard for her winning hand. By dropping off all the needy guys that were too available to see her before you.

They give us ******** because they are afraid of hurting our egos and can't say "Well sorry DJD, but I just wasn't really interested in pursuing something further with you romantically. I think you're a great guy, intelligent, and fun so let's keep good friends, ok?"

In your date situation DJD, I would have given her a kiss at her doorstep but not ask to come aside to see her place. She knows you want to come in for sex, but she doesn't want to rush it (anti-slvt-defense). And if you did everything right on the first date, than you could have called her 5 days after or she would have called you to set up another date.

Our best option as a DJ is to take the high road by remaining a challenge and aloof and to let her pursue us after the first date. Versus constantly texting/calling after the date in our old AFC days.

21 year olds get a lot of attention for their looks, and don't know enough about life yet to know what they want in long relationship.

We should be hopefully be too busy with booked dates back to back throughout the week with all the #s we're getting and replenishing to worry just about one girl. :woo:

 

[squirrels]

Sometimes a make-out session backfires on you...she'll think that things are "moving too fast" and if she's not careful she's going to end up sleeping with you...then she'll be psychologically committed.

Women in their 20s are still looking for a cowboy to come sweep them off their feet. Literally. What resilient said is pretty well spot-on...add to that the fact that the good-looking women are constantly being invited to this place or that with their friends, and they have a hard time making time for ANY guy when they have to choose.

They'll FIND reasons to "next" even the best guys. You need air-tight game for the first 2 or 3 dates, and to tell the truth, I'd recommend trying to bang her as quickly as possible. Once she gives up the 'nani, she'll justify it by telling herself there's something "special" about you and you'll be ranked higher than the other guys.

Taking advantage of chick-logic? Maybe so...but hot girls are pretty dumb. They've never HAD to learn to be smart...they've always skated by on their looks. I've known girls who have been offered all kinds of wild stuff just based on how they look.

One other thing...the second you feel like you're PURSUING instead of ATTRACTING, you're at a disadvantage. If you're only dating one "HB9.5", it'll show...you'll be focusing way too much effort on her as your primary and ignoring the other girls. She'll sense that. If you're dating 2 or 3 "HB9.5"s, then you can enjoy yourself WITHOUT worrying about her "flaking". When you treat a girl just like another option, she can sense THAT too, and she'll know that YOU are in demand as well.

Love (and when I say love, I mean "social energy") is a weird thing. The more of it you give, the more you receive, and the more you receive, the more you have to give. A solitary person can only give his own love. A guy with multiple friends, or multiple females in love with him, has a much more potent social energy to offer, which increases their value. And it shows.

First thing you need to do, though, is build your OWN energy. Go out and get some hobbies, take up some pursuits, become passionate about something. Work out, get rest...build your OWN social energy and then start projecting it in as many directions as you can to establish a base.

 

[Focal core]

2. Never forget, with all the talk on this site about plate spinning, sometimes the hard to accept truth of the matter is that: WE are some women's PLATES!!!! Who do you think originated the behavior that inspired the naming of that concept??? lol

Im the biggest fan of this number 2, while folks are bragging about spining plates here and there which mostly just talks (plates with no main dishes!) just some snacking here and there, not knowing your ass has been spinning all along! Hahahahahaha

 

[Focal core]

Dear lord

 

[Focal core]

I'm not convinced it helps to ask or know. I couldn't personally care less.

I will say this (my opinion and I don't expect everybody to agree):

The flakiest people are almost always the most confident and attractive. They operate from a position of freedom, abundance and/or indifference. All, in my opinion, are extremely admirable and "alpha" traits.

I will say that I have cancelled many dates over the years (moreso recently), often on women whom I've liked. Why? Because I chose to spend my time and attention on something/someone better. That simple.

Not saying all.. But most of them are faking confidence with self grandiose, pretenders thats snakey predators to use man as a doormat..

To all men you Gotto know and be careful with what youre dealing with.

 

[Dantesch]

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Can women be flaky even though they had a high interest in you?

Case in point. Last week me and this 21 year old chick (I am 27) went out after class for our date at some bar. After that I invited myself into her place by saying " let me check out your apartment" where we went inside and had a heavy make out session and everything seems good and she was very affectionate.

During the week we barley spoke since she had exams and was studying with her friends. Fast forward to this week and surpise surprise, she is too "buzy" with her school work to go out again and when I went to talk to her about regular stuff she seemed standoffish and disinterested in what I had to say.

Seems like I am out faster then I got in even though I did well the first week. Any suggestions why?? or just chalk it up to the fact the women in their 20's are just notorious flakes??!!

Girls USUALLY flake because you as a guy have not built up enough attraction and comfort. Each time you see her you have to again build up that attraction and comfort. This is a common mistake.

Another reason they flake has to do with your perceived social status. An example: Brad Pitt can walk into the most exclusive nightclub in Vegas or LA wearing a Tshirt that looks like **** cut off jeans and flipflops. You or I try that and you won't even get through the front door. Youre just another dude she made out with you okay... you still have to build attraction and comfort and not assume just because she made out with you that then means she wants to hang out and ****.

3 she may be worried about her friends slut-shaming her. It's YOUR responsibility as a man to provide a SAFE place where sex can happen where she has plausible deniability.

 

[Dantesch]

she's into challenge

HB7-10s get approached all the time for dates, so they have to be highly selective in the mating game.

90% of guys out there don't make it past a day2 because of something they did to lower her IL over the date. Women are amazing at remembering every action and word that was said.

That's why our game has on par the first date, so we can raise her interest level enough to hear buying signals that she WANTs to see us again, by her body language, kino, tonality, eye dilation(doggy dinner bowl eyes - if you're lucky enough to see them), etc.

Victory was dead on about his points. We are unfortunately "plates" as well since their observing our every actions and trying to decide which cards to discard for her winning hand. By dropping off all the needy guys that were too available to see her before you.

They give us ******** because they are afraid of hurting our egos and can't say "Well sorry DJD, but I just wasn't really interested in pursuing something further with you romantically. I think you're a great guy, intelligent, and fun so let's keep good friends, ok?"

In your date situation DJD, I would have given her a kiss at her doorstep but not ask to come aside to see her place. She knows you want to come in for sex, but she doesn't want to rush it (anti-slvt-defense). And if you did everything right on the first date, than you could have called her 5 days after or she would have called you to set up another date.

Our best option as a DJ is to take the high road by remaining a challenge and aloof and to let her pursue us after the first date. Versus constantly texting/calling after the date in our old AFC days.

21 year olds get a lot of attention for their looks, and don't know enough about life yet to know what they want in long relationship.

We should be hopefully be too busy with booked dates back to back throughout the week with all the #s we're getting and replenishing to worry just about one girl. :woo:

Sorry, I disagree with a lot of what you are saying.

Most men don't even have the most basic of understanding of women. Men operate from logic or more correctly in problem-solving. I'm not talking about intelligence etc... I'm talking about FUNCTIONALITY. Men whenever they talk to each other never delve into feelings unless there is a clear reason to talk about feelings (death of a family member or friend as an example.)

When you interact with a woman she is operating from FEELING. How does this interaction make me FEEL This is why in general/, women score higher on agreeableness why they are more SOCIAL than men. Men thing SOCIAL is "going out" Women are more interested in having a good time AKA making themselves and the women around them FEEL GOOD. Women have exceptionally high social awareness. Many, Id say most have much, much lower social awareness.

You as a man when you interact with a girl or a group of girls should be focused on making her FEEL GOOD Attraction and Comfort are what you are aiming for and it needs to be a balancing act between those two. You need to COMPLETELY drop what you want out of the interaction. What you want is utterly unimportant. What you want, is to give her what SHE wants and what she wants is to FEEL GOOD about the interaction!

The higher social status you have and preselection (You're already out with a group of girls) YOU should be friend-zoning MOST of the girls you meet. You make them REAL FRIENDS. The best wingman isn't your buddy is the attractive girl you are FRIENDS with. Girls should be introducing you to other girls your female friends should know EXACTLY what your 9/10 looks like... HELL most of you don't even know that!

Here is an exercise go to pinrest and start looking up hot models/girls start picking out the models that you think are INSANELY HOT. After about 30 minutes go look at the folder you created to put the photos in... You will see a very clear pattern of girls that yo gravitate towards BE SPECIFIC

Me 5.5 to 5.7 Bonde hair Blue eyes The more eastern European she looks the hotter I think she is. On the other end Tall slender Asian girls with dainty features also works for me. Ive discovered doing this I am less interested in big tits but I love tiny asses Long slender legs.

You reduce flaking by creating huge attraction and comfort. You also need to get buyin by projecting future activities... something simple like grabbing coffee/tea etc....

 

[Dantesch]

she's into challenge

HB7-10s get approached all the time for dates, so they have to be highly selective in the mating game.

90% of guys out there don't make it past a day2 because of something they did to lower her IL over the date. Women are amazing at remembering every action and word that was said.

That's why our game has on par the first date, so we can raise her interest level enough to hear buying signals that she WANTs to see us again, by her body language, kino, tonality, eye dilation(doggy dinner bowl eyes - if you're lucky enough to see them), etc.

Victory was dead on about his points. We are unfortunately "plates" as well since their observing our every actions and trying to decide which cards to discard for her winning hand. By dropping off all the needy guys that were too available to see her before you.

They give us ******** because they are afraid of hurting our egos and can't say "Well sorry DJD, but I just wasn't really interested in pursuing something further with you romantically. I think you're a great guy, intelligent, and fun so let's keep good friends, ok?"

In your date situation DJD, I would have given her a kiss at her doorstep but not ask to come aside to see her place. She knows you want to come in for sex, but she doesn't want to rush it (anti-slvt-defense). And if you did everything right on the first date, than you could have called her 5 days after or she would have called you to set up another date.

Our best option as a DJ is to take the high road by remaining a challenge and aloof and to let her pursue us after the first date. Versus constantly texting/calling after the date in our old AFC days.

21 year olds get a lot of attention for their looks, and don't know enough about life yet to know what they want in long relationship.

We should be hopefully be too busy with booked dates back to back throughout the week with all the #s we're getting and replenishing to worry just about one girl. :woo:

Real 9/10 Don't get routinely approached. You and the men you are talking about don't have access to them. Real 9/10 are on photo shoots traveling all over the world. Real 9/10 in nightclubs are in the VIP table service areas where some of these clubs charge as much as $25,000.00 for the table and the bottles START at $1,000 and go UP from there. Sure you can SEE her but you can't talk to her because you can't get in there.

A great analogy is the playboy mansion. If you as a guy are in the PB mansion and you are 5'7 and weigh 260 of blubber every bunny in there will treat you like a king. Why? BECAUSE you're IN THE PB mansion. She cant afford to offend you because if she does you might be someone important and she will be kicked out and never allowed back in. This is exactly what Im talking about with Social Status.

Women are hypergamous. Don't bother hating it, its how they are wired naturally. Accept it and find ways to use that to your advantage. HENCE make most of your approaches with the goal to FZ the pretty girls. Then, when you ask 4,5 or 6 of them to hit a club with you, YOU have HUGE social status and every hot girl in the place will wonder WHO YOU ARE.... so when you eventually approach a girl you have confidence, preselection, high social value, in short, you stand out from EVERYONE ELSE in the club. Then when you interact, you are 90% the way done.

Finally when its time to pull you say to the whole group you can say something like "hey were all headed back to my place to have an after party you guys should come." They are FAR more likely to come as a group some will drop off but you'll get several to come back to your place THEN you can isolate with the "I have something Id like to show it I think you'll like it..." and then you can escalate physically with her.

 

[sazc]

You invited yourself over to her place
She made out with you
Hindsight, she felt cornered and obligated to make out with you
Now she feels trashy and may even feels used by you
Hence the distance
May as well just move on, she may come back around, may not

 

[wifehunter]

You failed to let her have 'her fun' chasing you.

You are now 'been there, done that'