How does one maintain the power in the relatioship?

SamTheHobit

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No doubt, a lot of people feel powerless here.

So id like to know how do you maintain power or even get power in the relationship?

It almost feels impossible these days, considering that women have 10 + options at any given time. Where as most men are lucky to have 2+ options.

Some practical advice would be appreciated.

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What you need to do?

What mindset you need, etc?

I get the feeling a lot here are gonna say spin plates, but not everyone can, has the energy. I mean inst the whole point of a relationship not to have to spin plates?
 

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Screen, screen, screen. 90% of bad relationships would never happen if men chose better women.
Maintaining "power" in a relationship shouldn't be too hard if you have the right woman and keep your game tight.
Don't respond to shyt tests, agree and amplify when she tries to bring you down, keep fit, withdraw attention if she does transgress.
In saying that, you shouldn't have to deal with this sort of stuff too much if you choose a worthy woman.
Don't worry, all women have their fvcked up idiosyncrasies, some can just control them better than others.
It's your job to seek those ones out and kick everything else to the kerb that doesn't meet your standards.
 

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There's plenty out there, but here's a few...

1. Never take any shyt. If she's done something wrong, she needs to be sorted out straight away.
2. If you've done something wrong, don't ever apologise twice for the same thing.
3. If it's called for, make decisions. Don't fall into the trap of always saying "Oh, I don't know, I'm happy to do what you want to do."

Cheers
 

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Spin plates.
 

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Some good answers already - screening properly is important (with friends as well as lovers) because then you surround yourself only with high-quality people. So you have to wait a little longer to find the right person? Suck it up, unless you want to settle for someone sub-par.

Make decisions. Generally women love guys who make decisions. Don't dither back and forth on something - whether it's something tiny like how you're going to f*** her, something small like where you're going out for dinner or something bigger like a holiday destination or a major lifestyle choice - make your decision and stick to it (unless your decision is sh*t, but then you have bigger problems).

Mix it up. In lots of ways, women don't like their lives to become predictable. Go different places, do different things. Having a routine is fine if it suits you both, but definitely break it in the interest of keeping you both entertained.

Don't suck up to her or sacrifice your happiness for her (I'm not talking about compromise here, which is more acceptable). As soon as you start making sacrifices regularly, where she isn't making bigger sacrifices, you're on a massive and awful downward slope - and if you're both making giant sacrifices, you should be considering whether you should be together in the first place.

Don't be afraid to let her know you have options. Not in an attention-seeking way, that's just lame, but meet and interact with new women in just the same way you'd meet and interact with new guys. If you're serious about the relationship, shut down any female advances - and tell your partner about them. Again, not a "LOOK, OMG, SOMEONE LIKES ME!!" way, but in a "So this girl made a pass at me, I laughed it off, it's no big deal, I thought you'd probably want to know".

I've never been in a situation where I had to chase someone to continue dating them. Let them do all the chasing or you're setting yourself up for a hell of a mental workout over the next few months/years, and not the good kind.

"Spin plates" - I'm not sure what you guys mean by this, women or interests. Definitely have interests outside of the relationship (other friendship circles, hobbies). I was actually talking to my MOTHER about this recently - she got a new boyfriend, but is already pretty bored of him because he just spends all his time working and wanting to see her. She actually asked me to have a chat with him (he's about twice my age) about going and doing other things - giving her time to miss him. It's VITAL. I can't condone cheating though - I did it too much as a pup, and although it was fun as hell at times, it isn't conducive to building a strong relationship if you're always running around keeping things from them.

EDIT: Oh yeah, mindset. It needs to be clear that although you value them, and their time and effort, it's not going to kill you if they leave because ultimately, you have your own great life. They are a part of that life for as long as it is a good thing for both of you - but you'd rather be alone or with someone else than have them detract from your life. So the main thing is what I think on here is called "outcome independence" or something - just the idea that you're not hung up on the outcome of something. Not total indifference (that's more of an attraction builder for when you meet someone new, there are way better attraction builders for a relationship setting) but just not being hung up on negative things they do and say.

This ties right in with having outside interests. If your significant other starts to annoy you, don't make a massive song and dance about it - make your thoughts clear on the matter, then go do something else, rather than standing and fighting. Lengthy arguments with a woman never, ever, EVER, in my experience lead anywhere good. You're not backing down or b1tching out - that would be what happens when you stay, argue, and let them grind you down. You're not persuading, manipulating or bullying - that's what happens when you stay, argue and grind them down. You're getting out of there, clearing your head and doing something else fun/productive. Conflict management is a HUGE part of a successful relationship and also in maintaining the power balance - you're not submitting, you're not bullying, you're just containing the situation.
 

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always be ready and willing to walk away. Like DeNiro at the end of Heat...
 

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You maintain the power by “gaming” your current girlfriend or LTR.

Women need to be constantly on their toes otherwise they get bored quick with your complacency. When a woman says “our relationship is going nowhere”, it’s not that your relationship is bad or that you are bad person, it’s just that you are not making the effort to excite them anymore.

1. Lightly flirt with girls in front of them. Watch them cling to you afterwards.

2. Have the self-respect to walk away at the first sign of lousy behavior. The action says it all. No woman wants to be abandoned. If you set the tone that you will be disrespected in any way, she will change her tune. Be advised that this won’t stop all lousy behavior, but she will know the end result if she continues to act like a b!tch, and she’ll stop.

3. Treat all women like four year olds and you’ll get an entirely different response than if you would if you treat them as a co-worker, relative, or an equal.

Women say they wanted to be treated as equals. Guess what? They don’t respect people on the same level as them. They respect people above them. That’s why women sleep with their bosses, and not their husbands. Take them by the hand and always lead. Pull them to a corner and scold them when they are out of line. Spoil them, but dictate the spoiling.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
Date down or cheat first.
If you expect by dating down there will be less of w balancing act with frame in a relationship, you are mistaken. I've experimented with this for quite awhile now. The **** tests, entitlements issues are still there. Better get used to always being on and managing your girl regardless of the discrepancy of your smv's.


I'm starting to re-realise that if you're going to have to put up with and manage this stuff regardless of her attractiveness...why settle for anything but the top of what you can pull? At least you will be compensated a little more during it.
 

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expos said:
You maintain the power by “gaming” your current girlfriend or LTR.

Women need to be constantly on their toes otherwise they get bored quick with your complacency. When a woman says “our relationship is going nowhere”, it’s not that your relationship is bad or that you are bad person, it’s just that you are not making the effort to excite them anymore.

1. Lightly flirt with girls in front of them. Watch them cling to you afterwards.

2. Have the self-respect to walk away at the first sign of lousy behavior. The action says it all. No woman wants to be abandoned. If you set the tone that you will be disrespected in any way, she will change her tune. Be advised that this won’t stop all lousy behavior, but she will know the end result if she continues to act like a b!tch, and she’ll stop.

3. Treat all women like four year olds and you’ll get an entirely different response than if you would if you treat them as a co-worker, relative, or an equal.

Women say they wanted to be treated as equals. Guess what? They don’t respect people on the same level as them. They respect people above them. That’s why women sleep with their bosses, and not their husbands. Take them by the hand and always lead. Pull them to a corner and scold them when they are out of line. Spoil them, but dictate the spoiling.
having the power on the relationship should come naturally, IMO. but be carefuller with #3, you not babysitting anyone.

if all else fails let her think she has control, you will see her true colors and so will everyone else, you might look like a sucker but YOU KNOW your not and that all that maters, either way you cant loose.

and always remember keep your relationship private only you and her, dont go on double dates dont go with friends on some bs, jus you and her, and only tell your family about her till it gets serious. i learned all this **** the hard way my friend.
 

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You don't

men have no power in modern *relationships*

the power men have is to pump and dump

and exit as soon as possible
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Burroughs said:

You don't

men have no power in modern *relationships*

the power men have is to pump and dump

and exit as soon as possible
Burroughs, you really are bitter about modern relationships. You may have been taken advantage of.

If you think ALL women are exactly the same and are just heartless *****es out to manipulate you, you are no different to a feminist nutjob. Women will try to give you the run around, but I have done/do currently the same to women.
 

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Burroughs, you really are bitter about modern relationships. You may have been taken advantage of.

If you think ALL women are exactly the same and are just heartless *****es out to manipulate you, you are no different to a feminist nutjob. Women will try to give you the run around, but I have done/do currently the same to women.
Don't listen to that moron.

He is just one of many lonely guys who like to troll around.
 

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LOL, that aside, my advice to anyone wanting to maintain the power in a relationship is to maintain an erection and use it frequently.
 

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You maintain power by being needed. You must offer something "special" that is not easy to find elsewhere.

You keep power by keeping her dependent on you and heavily invested. She must believe you are the best she can get.

Since most women date down (in looks) and most men only want relationships with women who are hotter than what they typically pull... men usually get oneitis and rarely have power in relationships.

The reason most men feel powerless in relationships today is simple --> They don't case power. They chase sex and love.

Women chase POWER in a relationship above all other things. So they get it. :)
 

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The one that cares the least, has the most power in a relationship. So can be carried out in different ways, but basically this is how its done.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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The problem with this mindset is trying to acquire the power through control (via games, jealousy, force, etc), and inadvertingly attracting insecure control freaks with self-esteem and approval-seeking issues and tendencies. It ends up becoming a struggle to gain the upper-hand, and keep the other person beneath them and under their wing. This is how abusers and controlling jackasses operate... hence why all they do is play crap games, try to undermine the other person, make them dependant on them, etc. They're weak, insecure, co-dependant, and have no real confidence. They also target the weak and submissive. Bullies and losers, really.

When you act this way - the other person (if confident enough, and doesn't have piss-poor self-esteem) WILL fight back, or dump your ass altogether - as you are a loser and deserve it. A constant battle for control and out-smarting the other is more likely. It becomes a huge, emotionally draining, complete waste of time mind****.

I had so-called relationships like this before, and they SUCKED.

(Remember that we're talking about relationships, here... not casual affairs, jumping around, remaining single, etc.)

Rather than being an insecure nutjob who "needs" women, and tries to control them or gain the upper-hand over them, you want to be in a position where others can't control or maintain power over YOU. This includes setting clear boundaries, standing up for yourself, saying "no" when necessary, not putting others over yourself, not tolerating BS, not being outcome dependant, not chasing or obsessing, not falling prey to manipulative games and schemes with the intent of gaining control, not "giving in" or rocking the boat out of fear of offending or loss, not attaching yourself too early and being unable to walk away...

Always maintain your independence, and don't "lose" yourself to someone. Also, don't follow others, take their orders, let them do all the deciding (if you're good enough for them; trying to appeal to their standards, and making them the prize), tell them what you are / need to do, let them pick at you, etc.

At the same time, you want to provide enough value, excitement, and intrigue - to keep them wanting more, and remaining interested... which is on them. You're not "forcing" anything on them. If they don't want it - no big deal. Do NOT pursue or act passive-aggressive and play games out of desperation when / if they lose interest. That's how they gain the control - whether intentional or not. And this just means you're putting on a charade, and aren't really content with yourself. Don't be an insecure girl.

This is with all people... don't be a chump, don't try too hard, and don't really care. The goal is to remain in-control of YOURSELF, and never fear losing someone, or being "alone" and unlikeable... because they really aren't that special. You don't "need" anyone, don't have to prove anything or live up to their BS, and only end up losing YOURSELF to others - who almost always turn out to be no good, and wind up controlling YOU.

Make sure you also weed people out, because there's a lot of **** out there. Insecurity and immaturity are two big things you gotta watch for when it comes to LTRs.

By not being a chump and having sufficient standards and self-esteem - you won't attract control freaks or losers, and probably won't have to worry about needing the power. Remember that others also can't gain the "power" unless you let them. So, don't.

This isn't to say you do nothing - while they do everything. Not at all. Just that you aren't a desperate chump who needs (not "likes") others, and places himself beneath them, or allows them to run him down. You can still have a relationship, show interest, reciprocate, and all that ****. Just don't go overboard, and become the controlee'. Make sure it's pretty mutual, and don't slide beneath them. You don't control them, but they can't control you. This is how it SHOULD be, and how successful relationships are. Not much different from a friendship, really (in certain respects).
 
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it's all about balance of ILs....you always want your's to be lower than her's....i cheat a lot and lose sexual interest very quickly.....so mine is always naturally lower than whoever i am dating...
 

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floydb25 said:
The problem with this mindset is trying to acquire the power through control (via games, jealousy, force, etc), and inadvertingly attracting insecure control freaks with self-esteem and approval-seeking issues and tendencies. It ends up becoming a struggle to gain the upper-hand, and keep the other person beneath them and under their wing. This is how abusers and controlling jackasses operate. They're weak, insecure, co-dependant, and have no real confidence. They also target the weak and submissive. Bullies and losers, really.

(Remember that we're talking about relationships, here... not casual affairs, jumping around, remaining single, etc.)

Rather than being an insecure nutjob who "needs" women, and tries to control them or gain the upper-hand over them, you want to be in a position where others can't control or maintain power over YOU. This includes setting clear boundaries, standing up for yourself, saying "no" when necessary, not putting others over yourself, not tolerating BS, not being outcome dependant, not chasing or obsessing, not falling prey to manipulative games and schemes with the intent of gaining control, not "giving in" or rocking the boat out of fear of offending or loss, not attaching yourself too early and being unable to walk away...

Always maintain your independence, and don't "lose" yourself to someone. Also, don't follow others, take their orders, let them do all the deciding (if you're good enough for them; trying to appeal to their standards, and making them the prize), tell them what you are / need to do, let them pick at you, etc.

At the same time, you want to provide enough value, excitement, and intrigue - to keep them wanting more, and remaining interested... which is on them. You're not "forcing" anything on them. If they don't want it - no big deal. Do NOT pursue or act passive-aggressive and play games out of desperation when / if they lose interest. That's how they gain the control - whether intentional or not. And this just means you're putting on a charade, and aren't really content with yourself. Don't be an insecure girl.

This is with all people... don't be a chump, don't try too hard, and don't really care. The goal is to remain in-control of YOURSELF, and never fear losing someone, or being "alone" and unlikeable... because they really aren't that special. You don't "need" anyone, don't have to prove anything or live up to their BS, and only end up losing YOURSELF to others - who almost always turn out to be no good, and wind up controlling YOU.

Make sure you also weed people out, because there's a lot of **** out there. Insecurity and immaturity are two big things you gotta watch for when it comes to LTRs.

By not being a chump and having sufficient standards and self-esteem - you won't attract control freaks or losers, and probably won't have to worry about needing the power. Remember that others also can't gain the "power" unless you let them. So, don't.

This isn't to say you do nothing - while they do everything. Not at all. Just that you aren't a desperate chump who needs (not "likes") others, and places himself beneath them, or allows them to run him down. You can still have a relationship, show interest, reciprocate, and all that ****. Just don't go overboard, and become the controlee'. Make sure it's pretty mutual, and don't slide beneath them. You don't control them, but they can't control you. This is how it SHOULD be, and how successful relationships are. Not much different from a friendship, really (in certain respects).
In other words, be honest to yourself and to others. :up:
 

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PackGranpa said:
In other words, be honest to yourself and to others. :up:
Not necessarily (or completely). I mean, you still have to play the "game"; not show too much interest, maintain the challenge, excitement, anticipation, intrigue, and mystery, etc. It's moreso not being a chump OR a jackass. Just a natural way of being.

If you act like a chump - people will take advantage. Act like a jackass, and they will throw everything they have at you.

I was both - sometimes at the same time - and it did not work. People don't just succumb to your demands and allow themselves to be bullied, played, or controlled... they fight back. But if you allow it to happen to you - they have no respect for you. So, don't control or be controlled.

****'s not healthy, anyway, and no way to live. And the people you attract as a result of either / or will be ****. Play games and you'll attract game-players... And really, do you want a controlling manipulator OR a desperate girl with no self-esteem? ****'s not fun, and it's all you will get by acting in these manners.

And again, we're talking about relationships - where quality and mutual respect is vital. People don't want to be smothered or worshipped, nor controlled and played. If it's just a dumb, party-ho skank, or dating around casually with no intent of committment, not all of this applies.
 

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1. Date girls from the 3rd world only (secure them at the point of origin)

2. Date 2 points below your station (so you never really care if they leave or not)[Easy to maintain the frame]

3. Choose a girl that makes way less money than you do but is happy and thinks she is doing well, living her current lifestyle.

Speaking from experience.
 
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