How do you find a Wife or LTR?

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I don't like going to clubs or barely clothed air head sluts. I like intelligence, beauty, loyality and humor.

If you don' go to clubs, where do you go?

There's another side to my dilema.....

Coming from a uber christian family, i have to eventual settle down with an uber christian young lady(or else no one in my family will attend my weddind...this has happened before).......

How do I reconcile my don juan dreams with my eventual reality..... How does one go from pimp to loyal bf husband?
 

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Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
How do I reconcile my don juan dreams with my eventual reality..... How does one go from pimp to loyal bf husband?

You ditch the Christian m8y...stand up for what YOU believe in and not what youre fed by societal indifferences.
 

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The christianity thing isn't such a burden right now (I'm just having fun and marriage wont be an option for atleast another 10 yrs)

I just want normal women who don't smoke and don't get drunk....

Dearsappoho:

I believe in both.......I'm not some austere guy or a wild boy who feels trapped. I know that eventually a LTR would give me more satisfaction.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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i drink bt dont get drunk......
 

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From ebay.
 

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Keep doing what you are doing.

Don't settle for less than what you want.

Read Pook. Thanks to Pook, I find it very hard to get involved in anything similar to casual sex.
 

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go to church or search online for christian singles matchmaking or something.. I'm sure there are plenty of women in your shoes
Although I don't totally agree with the thought process that's a different topic all together.. good luck buddy
 

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Originally posted by skinnydart
Bookstores are the way to go. The smart, non-sluts, half-way intelligent chicks go there.
There isn't necessarily a correlation between intelligence and non-sluttiness. My college has an average SAT score of over 1400 and you've still got your fair share of sluts, drama queens, attention *****s, party girls, etc.
 

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If your only concern is who will show up in church when you get married, you are already lost.

Fukk that, live your life for yourself

Religion: Destroyer of many men's lives

DIetzcoi
 

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Coming from a uber christian family, i have to eventual settle down with an uber christian young lady(or else no one in my family will attend my weddind...this has happened before).......
If you're going to find a woman based on other people's expectations, you're never going to be happy with her or yourself.
 

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Don't waste your time on the god squad, Desdinova

They are destined for a life of supplication and sheeple behavior

Not sure why they are here

DIetzcoi
 

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25? Come back when you're 30, you're still too young to be asking this question.

Seriously though, here's an asignment for you. Go to your church (or your familie's church if you don't go regular) and take mental notes of all the women you see there. Be real particular as far as appearances go and any conversations you can eavesdrop on paying particular attention to statements about personal lives or issues that may relate to their opinions of dating or marriage. You will begin to see consistent patterns present themselves. A lot of christian women follow very predictable schemas. Most will be overweight, most will shun direct discussions about sex, most will expect to be married (soon around your age), most will complain about there being a lack of 'marriageable' men with sufficient dedication to women as it should be their duty to do so. Those not overweight will tend to be wallflowers (or self preceived wallflowers) or 'recovering sluts' in church for the first time in a while wanting to make a fresh start. One unifying understanding that virtually all of them will have will be a belief in a ONE (ONEitis) predestined husband ordained for them and will respond to the soul-mate myth accordingly. This is also a manifestation of the 'entitlement' dynamic which is rife in almost every religious group, not just christianity.

The next questions you need to ask youself is:

Am I satisfied with the achievements I've accomplished in life thus far or do I still have more to do? Am I still in college or do I want to attend post graduate school?

What are MY standards for marriage and does THIS woman live up to MY expectations?

Marriage is for a lifetime, will this person keep me satisfied sexually?

Does this woman understand what I am sacrificing to fulfill her perceived entitlement of a husband?

Will she regualrly show me genuine appreciation in return for these sacrifices?

Is this woman's exclusive intimacy worth marrying her for?

If you answer no to any of these, don't get married. There are no immediately identifiable benefits for a man to get married (unless you really want to start a family). It is ALL responsibility with very little recognizable payback. Christian or otherwise, marriage benefits the woman exclusively, while the plus side for men is negligible. Women are drawn to religion because it represents security for them; their prime motivation. It's been my experience that the best 'party girl' in the world will go religious after marriage anyway. It serves the security need. This is why you'll see membership of single women in a congregation will always outnumber that of single men. Men's primary motivator is sex and this conflicts not only with dogma, but a woman's security drive. Generally, unless he's been raised under religious conditions, men will not spontaneously become religious without a motivator (such as a religious wife/girlfriend). Men go fishing where the fish are biting and the bite's not on at church. Women do this too, especially attractive ones. An otherwise 'worldly' woman will tend to find religion once the possibility of marriage is on the table. The time comes for them to 'get right' now that they've had their fun and traditional marriage seems the most stable to raise children in. The natural progression of this is often to 'rediscover' their religious sides in order to effect it. That's not to discount the validity of the choice to do so or question the genuiness of it, but it occurs conveniently and men who assumed their wife to be will remain as hot and nasty as she was when they were single end up with an unpleasant and unforseen reality.

I am not a christian in the sense that I ascribe to the constriction of the evangeical doctrine, but I am a Christ-Follower. I also understand that to be human is to be imperfect. When I met my wife, we met at a club, we got lit together and we danced and we dated and we fvcked (a lot), after that and we got married. I didn't meet her at a church retreat or youth camp. However just prior to us getting married we decided to find a church together at that time and found that we had similar religious beliefs, we'd never discussed them before this. So don't entirely discount the 'sluts' or club girls as necessarily being unmarriagable. Given time most women will seek the security of religion, particularly after marriage.
 

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Excellent post, Rollo

I am going to cut and paste some of your posts in the future when the nut cases attack me over my anti-marriage statements.

I cannot write at your level but I agree with 99% of what you state. But convincing chumps who have already bought into the hollywood dream is too hard for me. Maybe you can do.

I am not doing this for my health, but to help younger men avoid a cruel fate. For this, I am villified...

Dietzcoi
 

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Desinove

I meant, don't waste your time trying to convince the religious people on here of anything. I realize you are not one of them...

Dietzcoi
 

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I meant, don't waste your time trying to convince the religious people on here of anything.
Very true.

The point I was making is not pleasing your family by choosing a woman that they expect you to marry. If he's only dating christian women to get approval from his family, he's only going to make himself miserable. If it doesn't matter to him whether the woman is christian or not, he should go with what's right for him.
 

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Originally posted by dietzcoi Excellent post, Rollo

I am going to cut and paste some of your posts in the future when the nut cases attack me over my anti-marriage statements.
I'm flattered. Be my guest.
 

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Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
I don't like going to clubs or barely clothed air head sluts. I like intelligence, beauty, loyality and humor.

If you don' go to clubs, where do you go?

There's another side to my dilema.....

Coming from a uber christian family, i have to eventual settle down with an uber christian young lady(or else no one in my family will attend my weddind...this has happened before).......

How do I reconcile my don juan dreams with my eventual reality..... How does one go from pimp to loyal bf husband?
Wow, hate to sound like a **** but thats one hell of a family you got there. If you don't marry the same denomination female, in this case a christian, they basically just turn their back on you and say "**** it?" Yeah, instead of trying to find a woman that fits within your own little perfect cookie cut out as to what YOU and they think she should be, maybe you should re-evaluate the value of your own bloodline. Family is suppose to be there for you no matter what, and always have your back. Yours sounds like a damn popularity vote.

Live for you, be happy for you, not them. Then you might know true happiness. And this doesn't even have to necessarily do with marriage, (cuz I'm against marriage) I'm saying in general. Stop trying to please everyone else and be proud of the choices you make. Get off your family's nuts!
 

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