How do you demonstrate that you are high value

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

We are in a time where you can get checked on your value in more ways than one, so it's important for that value to be authentic, simply put the gym is the best way to build visible authentic value because almost anybody can do it, the barrier to entry is nothing like a 100k/y job or something

 

[EyeBRollin]

Become red pill, make a minimum of six figures annually, and squat twice your body weight. That’s a good start.

Women can smell the masculinity on you at that point.

 

[RangerMIke]

We are in a time where you can get checked on your value in more ways than one, so it's important for that value to be authentic, simply put the gym is the best way to build visible authentic value because almost anybody can do it, the barrier to entry is nothing like a 100k/y job or something

True. You can't hide anything about yourself. There are background check services that in a matter of seconds will anyone willing to pay a subscription, will know how much you make, any government loans you had, estimate your net worth, and cars or houses that you bought and sold, how many times you were arrested, and for what charges, and court judgements. How old you are... where you lived... if you've been married... divorced... you might be shocked.

My kids are getting ready to start college next year, they are up for scholarships and one of the conditions to determine how much they will get is based registration with USDE... so I had to create a profile for myself, and they had to create their own profiles, even if you do not intend to apply for Federal grants or loans. For decades, I'd been telling people that I only took out one student loan for $1,500... well after I created my profile, the loan details from 1987, showed that I actually took loans totaling over $3,500!!! I was surprised, cyberspace knew more about me than I knew about myself.

If you do not think that any chick you go out with isn't going to comb though your social media and run back-ground checks on you, then you are living in a dream world. This is why you NEVER lie to a chick, because she will figure you out. She and her friends are going to dichotomize you online, and if they find ANYTHING about you they don't like... you are done.

 

[EyeBRollin]

^^^ Fantastic advice. And get off social media. They will find you and ghost.

 

[crowolf]

I believe you start becoming high value by respecting yourself, not settling for less, chasing excellence (striving to reach your highest potential) and being on your purpose.

 

[Grounded eagle]

As I said, I agree to some extent and in theory you would be right, but nobody is perfect and this is imo why it is called game, even if you are high value you still play the game and you are not simply yourself - at least not always, I might be wrong here but let me give you some examples.

1. You meet this really good girl, she is significantly better than most of the other girls you have dated and you want to find out if she is LTR material. Your brain says: "I WANT TO HAVE HER, NOW!" - and this is 100% natural, there is not so much you can do about the evolutionary patterns in your sub-consciousness. Now it is about you to control your desire and maintain your stance, i.e. not just vomit your desire into her face but play the game.

2. You are a rather quiet, but high value person (the sort of person people appreciate the more the better they know them), you are in a club, which might not be the perfect environment for you meeting girls, but you're there and there is this beautiful girl. Whatever your usual approach to women is, I'd say in such a case you would adapt to the environment (loud, alcohol, short-lived) and even though it is so to say against your nature you play the game and do not try to start deep talk or so in a loud club, crowded with drunk people.

3. You are a modest person with a decently paid, white collar job, it is absolutely against your nature to brag with money or your job but you'd like to have a girl which has a fulfilling job as well and who is not after your money but these girls might be looking for guys with a decent job as well. Usually you would not mention your job at all because you simply do not like to do it, but as this is how the game works you try to find a way how to gently show what you got, no matter what it is actually.

As said, I might be wrong, but that's my view on it. Hope it helps to understand.

You’re paying too much heed to the terminology, and not enough heed to the principles behind the terminology.”Game” is just a word.What is important is what that word connotes.What comes naturally to a high value man has to be learned or even faked by men of lesser value.A man who is happy with his station in life,who has the admiration and respect of his peers is a man with good “inner game.”He doesn’t have to fake being confident,he just is.This in turn has an effect on the way women react to him.Why would such a guy have to be anything other than himself?The problem with the just be yourself meme is that it suggests that there is nothing wrong with anybody and they should thus expect to be accepted despite their flaws.If that nonsense was true forums like this wouldn’t exist.

 

[Raasay]

Why would it build resentment on her part?

Because they enjoy chasing you, this whole thing gives them deep emotional satisfaction and happiness. If you behave like a p*ssy you deprive them of these beautiful feelings and it will seem to them as you betrayed them because first they thought you are a great mate whom they absolutely need to have and then you turn out to be a p*ssy, so they become disappointed, sad, angry, resentful etc.

For the rest of your post, afaik most women are not aware of why they behave like they do. While this seems super strange to us I imagine it is also part of femininity and I do not want to date a girl that behaves like a dude.

 

[Kerry18]

I think you left out: demonstrate that you are of high value to others.

 

[Dash Riprock]

The bigger question is how do you demonstrate high value to everyone with which you come in contact.

The answer is...you don't.

If you actually *believe* you're high value, you'll automatically act in that manner, just like a confident or even an insecure person. They don't go around overtly telling everyone how confident or insecure they are, they communicate it by way of their actions, words, attitude, and body language.

NEVER brag or blab about how "high value" you are or even elude to it. Makes you look very weak like you're looking for everyone's approval.

 

[metalwater]

This is everywhere. It's social media. Used to be you compared yourself and others to only the people around you... now the whole fvcking world is at your finger tips with smart phones. Old boyfriends and girlfriends just fvcking disappeared... now you can stay connected with everyone anywhere. It creates the illusion of abundance. Women drag their feet until it is almost too late to lock down a decent guy because they are chasing mythology. Right now we are in a period of technology driven chaos. This always happens when disruptive technology is introduced.

The printing press launched the protestant reformation... resulting in almost continuous warfare in Europe for 200 years. Because information before the printing press was controlled. The telegraph made news which happened across the nation immediately available everywhere, then the telephone... radio... TV.... the internet destroyed printed media. Any idiot with a PC, IP address, and a server can spread their idiocy across the would in a matter of minutes.

As a student of military history technical changes were devastating for armies that did not change with the times. Case in point the US Civil War, we had observers from just about every European nation. Britain, Austria, and France watched the war unfold and came to the conclusion that Americans were just a bunch of idiot amateurs that did not know how to fight wars... learning NOTHING from it. The Prussians, on the other hand, saw this very different. They recognized that the rifled musket with Minnie balls, railroads, and the telegraph changed warfare... The Prussians took those lessons learned, changed their military and in the War of the Austrian Succession, gained control of Bavaria and Saxony, then competed control of all of Germany after defeating France in 10 months in the Franco-Prussian War

Humans always adjust to technical changes, sometimes it's quick... often it takes more time. We'll just... we just have to figure out that what we see on the internet isn't actually real, when it happens, it will happen fast... we just apparently haven't been through enough pain... yet.

brilliant.

 

[eli77]

That's the dilemma. The more you try to explicitly demonstrate your value, the more tryhard you appear and the more you lower your value.

The PUA model doesn't work.

elaborate

 

[KindredSpiritzz]

- you have idgaf state of mind

this most of all. Stay, leave, whatever IDGAF.

 

[2Rocky]

I've been thinking about this and a high value guy UNDERSTATES his value...

I went to an event where we were asked to write down our company/employer and our title. I wrote "PEON" and it got me eyes and a giggle from the cute gal doing the sign in. You are really a Big Deal when you don't CARE about being a big deal.

 

[joesknows]

The most influential and powerful "people" in this world and beyond are all hiding in the shadows.

 

[wifehunter]

"How do you demonstrate that you are high value"

disappear

 

[BeExcellent]

The answer is...you don't.

If you actually *believe* you're high value, you'll automatically act in that manner, just like a confident or even an insecure person. They don't go around overtly telling everyone how confident or insecure they are, they communicate it by way of their actions, words, attitude, and body language.

NEVER brag or blab about how "high value" you are or even elude to it. Makes you look very weak like you're looking for everyone's approval.

This.

Heres the irony however. Here on an anonymous Internet forum nobody really knows who the ACTUAL high value people are…

Except by consistency of content. I get accused around here all the time of DHVing etc. I also get called narcissistic and humble braggart and arrogant. It kinda cracks me up. In real life I don’t need to say a word. Everything about me speaks without me needing to say anything. I am kind and deferential in real life, although quite solid and confident in myself. The way I AM tells people more than I could ever say.

But that is real life.

Here I have to put my viewpoints into context to help the reader grasp both my frame of reference and my actual reality. The only way to do that whilst maintaining any privacy is to describe it with words. And the descriptions garner the accusations that I’m DHVing etc. etc.

But consistency of content is another good benchmark here. Where we all really have mostly our words to go by.

High value people just ARE. And they recognize other high value people around them. It’s a subconscious subcontext that those who get it understand.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

You should only buy a nice Rolex if YOU like nice Rolex’s.

If a chick has enough interest in you at the outset, and you keep dating each other, she’ll eventually see your value (or perceived value) on her own…

And that’s the point:

Ideally you want a chick whose initial interest is in YOU, not the materialism & lifestyle you display or “demonstrate”.

My lifestyle is characterized by rather extreme frugality, minimalism, with elements of Buddhist and Stoic lifestyle philosophy, and I can tell you this does not attract any women, period. Women do not like men for "who they are". Besides, there is no "true self" you are merely a series of characters in a grand play called life, and you can slip in and out of roles as it suits you.

So, demonstrating high value in this sense does require putting up a certain show, although strong game, charisma, social presence, wit, etc can of course be a source of high value in and of itself. However, there is still a superficial dimension that is particularly important, especially in the initial stages of attraction. I make sure to get nice haircuts and clothes, not for "myself", but because I know it will attract women. Any man, or woman, who claims to do things like buying nice clothes "for themselves" is lying- much of what we do is for appearances sake.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

The answer is...you don't.

If you actually *believe* you're high value, you'll automatically act in that manner, just like a confident or even an insecure person. They don't go around overtly telling everyone how confident or insecure they are, they communicate it by way of their actions, words, attitude, and body language.

NEVER brag or blab about how "high value" you are or even elude to it. Makes you look very weak like you're looking for everyone's approval.

Yes, this is true, but within the context of attracting women this is an incomplete view. There are plenty of men who meet this criteria...in fact, being humble and modest is the norm for younger men now, even if they're wealthy and successful and talented. And yet you still see successful good men being taken for everything they got by some gold digging thot. Where were all these good women who recognized his high value?

I definitely agree that high value/status guys do not feel the need draw attention to themselves or seek approval. But on some level I think many of the posters in this thread are are being a bit idealistic. Here's why: Women are thought to have more social "intuition" than men but I believe this is false. Women are generally much more superficial; they see men as success objects and want to know what the man will bring to the table. They aren't looking for a man who has "mastered himself" they're looking for a man who will give them what they want (whatever that might be).

Focusing entirely on this "inner game" approach even in the context of DHV is a bit self-limiting because it assumes that the women they are trying to attract are sufficiently wise and rational enough to actually recognize a high value man when they see it, particularly if he's modest and understated or a little eccentric and unorthodox. This rings parallel to the idea of women thinking they want a "nice guy" but instead going for a some assclown who treats her like ****. They don't even know what they're doing sometimes. Hypergamy and raw sexual desire are still more often than not the deciding factors when it comes to initial attraction.

All that said, I may have alluded to doing all sorts of things in my own life to DHV, but as I mentioned earlier the only two things I actually do are get nice haircuts and wear nice clothes (literally only have 1 nice shirt, 1 nice pair of pants, and 1 nice pair of shoes all of which I've worn for several years but they work). I am sort of arguing devils advocate here but I think this warrants further discussion.

 

[BeExcellent]

As to @FlexpertHamilton and his point it’s true. But it is a nuanced thing and parts of it are difficult to teach or explain. It’s best to absorb it from the landscape you exist within. It’s like taste or class. Easily recognized but deceptively difficult to learn if you didn’t naturally absorb it from your environment.

There is a whole sub communication contained in a person’s presentation. Take designer clothes for example. You have labels that broadcast status like Louis Vitton for example. Lots of women want the cache of carrying a LV bag. The logo is broadcasting status, and the broadcast is more vulgar say than an Hermes bag. The Hermes bag has no logo broadcasting itself. The Hermes bag is also MUCH more expensive. A LV bag might cost 5K. An Hermes bag might cost 50K. Everybody recognizes the LV bag. Only those in the know, in the club if you will, recognize the Hermes bag.

Old money is less flashy than new money and for good reason. Old money understands the liability of vulgarity and flashiness. New money wants to show off.

Demonstrating DHV in real life is about exclusivity. Being able to go places and do things that most people cannot do. Here are some examples:

1. To be able to not have to work a job (Freedom of Time - ones most precious resource) without suffering financially; Financial Independence

2. To be able to frequent venues that few can afford. Excluding those who cannot afford such venues.

3. Understanding the language that ones personal presentation speaks. See handbag example above.

4. To reside at an exclusive address or post code

5. To drive an exotic vehicle.

6. To belong to prestigious clubs, country clubs, or charity organizations…

7. To fly privately.

Everything above has the element of exclusivity

Lots of people are posers who try and “Keep up with the Jones” but few people can consistently DHV unless they actually are legit. It’s never wise to outstrip ones means.

Everything taken together is DHV. Some things, like staying fit require time & self discipline. Anyone can do this. Some things require money and/or influence. Not anyone can do those things.