How do you be a challenge or be the prize considering this?

Eternal_water

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A lot of the dj bible and other dj reading tells you to be a challenge and to be the prize but this video surely demonstrates thats impossible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lh5fR4DMA

Considering they know they have you in the palms of their hands, hoe does one act like he is a challenge?
 

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If you think of women as fungible and you're willing to walk then they know you're not in the palm of their hand.
 

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Treat them as if they're replaceable, which they really should be if you are a catch.
 

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Interesting video. Girls do know when you're interested in them, and will even lure you into it - even if they're not interested back. I've had this happen in the past. They set up all these "orbiters", and give them false hope - while acting oblivious to what they're doing. They're the ones who have ulterior motives - not just the guys. You'll find that women will set up a lot of things to their favor - only to play dumb, and act innocent. They're just as selfish as guys are - they just blame the guy, and make him look like the bad one. No matter what they do wrong - they'll act innocent, and claim everyone else is selfish and evil. Even if they cheat on someone, or play the whole world. Contrary to what you may believe, or they want you to believe - they DO know what they're doing. They just don't want other people to know that.

Manipulation aside, this is why you can't be chumped around by women. They have no interest in being your friend - after they reject you, and know you're interested in them. They're just feeding their egos, and playing you for a fool. The mixed messages come from the coniving nature in which this occurs. They want you to remain interested in them - and only them - and will go to great lengths to achieve this. They'll lie their asses off the entire time, and never admit to what they're doing. Even if they were interested in you at one point, and lost that - they still want you to remain interested in them. This never changes, and its why a lot of guys get confused - because, rather than admit to not being interested, or losing the interest they once had - they'll keep the false hope alive to keep the guys around, and still interested in them. They know that, if they tell them they're not interested, and just want to be friends, and don't flirt or tease - they won't get what they want from them. So, they lie and abuse their sexuality to keep the interest going. This is manipulation. They are using people, because they're selfish. All red flags.

If you show interest in someone, get rejected, and have that same person still want to be your "friend" - get out, and don't look back. You're just asking to get used. Don't fall for guilt trips or BS lines, either. You're not a jerk for not being friends with someone who's only using you and stringing you along. It will happen - if you allow it to. They know you're interested in them, and will feign interest in you - to keep you interested in them. They love knowing you want them, and can't have them. They'll play it to a tee. All while acting like they're interested in being your friend - with the potential for more to occur (only to be shot down with a lame excuse, or blown off with extreme rudeness every time). They'll also piss and moan, and call the guys selfish for refusing their one-sided friendship. Again, manipulation.

It doesn't matter when this occurs, either. A rejection means lack of interest. They're not trying to see how great and wonderful you are before getting involved with you, or any of that nonsense. They are using you. It's vital that you don't get lured into having interest in someone - only to be ****ed with afterwards. Some girls are very cruel and selfish. Either you're dating, or not. Don't get caught up in that grey area, because its usually no good. People typically aren't as genuine as we want them to be, or hope they are. A lot of them have ulterior motives, are selfish, will use others, and so forth. Keep your eyes open, and believe nothing they claim. Don't trust anyone until well down the line. If someone waltzes into your life, starts acting selfish, makes up excuses, tries to use guilt trips, etc - tell them to **** off. Don't get pushed around like this. Nobody is owed or entitled to anything.

They admit all this in the video, and its clear anyway. Women are not as stupid or innocent as they want you to believe. They are very intuitive and intelligent when it comes to things like this. They just play the victim to appear innocent and naive. The manipulative ones will also use it to their advantage. Notice how some of them walk away smiling in embarassment. They know they got caught, and aren't as clever as they think they are.

All that aside, these aren't quality women. They sound like college ****s. Quality, nice, decent, good-hearted women don't manipulate, use, or string people along. These are things you have to watch for, because not everyone is obvious in their awful behavior (ie, flamboyant jerks). You'll find a lot of people are like this. Seemingly decent and nice, but quite selfish and horrible. Pay attention to their actions and personalities; weed through the BS; find out what they're really like. Someone who's only interested in using you, and who lies to you about their intentions - isn't a good friend, and not worth keeping around. You'll find that these same people will likely disrespect you, and treat you as second-rate citizens. They will definitely also try to maintain their good person victim image going at all times. Don't fall for it, or any of their excuses.

Unfortunately, its things like this which require game to be necessary. It's like playing chess, really.
 

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floydb25 is one of the realest muthafukas out here .....real sh1t i wish i knew this like a year ago
 

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youngmack said:
floydb25 is one of the realest muthafukas out here .....real sh1t i wish i knew this like a year ago
I think we all wished the same. We know this **** because it happened to us. Sad reality on the nature of some people.

But yeah, I used to be chump supreme, and sympathized with everyone. Along with being shy, insecure, desperate, having low self-esteem, etc - I made a prime target for predators. They hone in on nice guy types, and take them for a ride - while acting like they're one of them. It's their whole game; they know those with sufficient self-esteem won't allow themselves to be pushed around, used, or played like fools. So, be careful - you might be giving off easy prey vibes without even knowing it.

I used to associate with losers, jerks, users, and manipulators because of this. Hordes and hordes of them. They would always come up to me - not vice versa. They can sense weakness, loneliness, gullibility, etc. Not everyone wants to be your friend because you're so great and nice - some are looking for a chump to use.

My recent ex-neighbor was like this. He attracted all these types, and got used big time. He was a decent guy, but weak and insecure. Loved drama. This opened the flood gates for losers, jerks, and crazies. Trouble was all around him. I couldn't help but think "damn, that used to be me". Like me, he had issues of his own, and subconsciously sought out these people. And vice versa. They always find each other. These same people didn't mess with me, because I set boundaries, wouldn't give or allow myself to be pushed around. I was calm, strong, independent, and even kicked them out. He was desperate, insecure, lonely, and needy. They knew all this, and targeted him.

If you're attracting a lot of predators - there is most definitely something you are doing to tip them off. Users need someone to use. Bullies need someone to bully. Etc. That's why self-improvement is so vital - not for "picking up chicks". Don't let people push you around or use you. You're not a jerk for standing up for yourself, and not allowing the true jerks into your life. And yes, they will try to lure themselves in, and get what they can - by any means necessary (including your vulnerabilities and good-hearted nature). They're chameleons and sweet talkers.

This applies to men and women. It's a human thing - not gender-based. Bad people do exist out there, and you need to watch for them / eliminate them from your life. Don't even give them the chance to even attempt to play you like a fool. They won't do it unless they know (or sense) that they can get away with. Hence, game-playing, manipulation, teasing, etc. This only works on weak-minded, non-threatening, unassertive people. They don't test you to see how genuine you are - they're seeing how much they can get away with. Or, they suspect / know they can, and you'll be oblivious to it; make up excuses for them, believe their BS, etc.

Man up, set boundaries, have standards, don't be afraid to get rid of people, don't tolerate any BS, realize what's going on (ie, don't believe, assume, trust, sympathize), and watch all of this go away. If you give off chump vibes - certain people are going to play you like one. No question.
 

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fantstic posts, thanks guys. and floydb25 you are damm right.

I used to be that exact person for both genders.

the victim for the male bully and the nice afc who was strung along constantly boosting this girls ego and getting nothing in return.

I'd never let myself be either one of them again.
 
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