How do you Actually cure Insecurities and Jealousy?

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My past relationships where abit hard, due to the reason of my insecurities and jealousy. As a person, i have zero insecurities and have no jealousy towards other people, but when it comes to a relationship, its just i don't want to get ****ed over a girl.


I drastically improved recently as I discovered my "problem".
Basicly, i cured it with holding my emotions and not let me love any girl.Not loving her made me not really care- thus even in a relationship, I didnt had troubles with my insecurities and jealousy.


But I want to find a better, valid way of curing insecurities and jealousy. If you know one let me know. I'm planning on creating a thread on DJ Tips Section, to help other fellow guys.
 

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You wont 'cure' jealousy, this is a psycho-biological function that most animals have evolved over the centuries as an insurance that their genes will be passed on to the next generation. Male lions and most male great apes will actively kill the young of previously dominant alpha-males; jealousy is a common drive in us as well. It's not that it's good or bad, it just serves a function that may or may not be relevant and many of us aren't always cognizant of.

Now insecurity is another matter altogether. You wont curb the jealousy drive if you're insecure about yourself or situation. Understand that jealousy will necessarily be triggered by your own insecurities. A woman that percieves her mate as insecure will most likely - in her own best interests - seek a male who is confident and can be the provider she requires to ensure survival and the survival of their offspring. A woman's primary drive is security; if you display behaviors that express your insecurity, you don't posess what her primary drive requires. As a response to this she'll necessarily seek this security from an alternate source. The stimulation of your jealousy is her response (whether conscious or not) to this dynamic.

"That's great Dr. Tomassi, but how do I become more secure so as not to fall into this trap?"

That's the tough question. This comes with maturity of course, but more importantly it comes with understanding and accepting yourself as a commodity with regards to the security that you represent to a woman. If a woman's intimacy/sexuality is her commodity, a man's is his ability to provide her security. I've personally worked for several very successful millionaires in my line of work, who represented the pinnacles of confidence and security in the arena of business and their personal ambitions, but were absoulutely unaware of interpreting themselves as commodities with regards to women. To these guys it was complete voodoo, women are unknowable and they were happy to relate this to anyone who would listen. They were millionare AFCs, not because they lacked confidence, but because they never made the connection that their confidence related to a commodity dynamic with women. Oh they knew that women were attracted to their wallets, that was self-evident, but they failed to understand that it was themselves and what they could provide long-term that played upon these women's primary drive - security. Ultimately, these guys would go through a string of failed relationships and divorces because the women who they did manage to get together with eventually came to the conclusion that they didn't posess the confidence that money can't buy - they could master their respective business, but they WOULDN'T master them.

I had a general manager of a major casino here tell me how fortuante I was to find a beautiful and loving wife. We got into a conversation about women and he expressed to me how he couldn't believe that I'd allow my wife to go out with friends without me because she was gorgeous. I told him the biggest mistake I could make would be to show a lack of confidence by becoming posessive of her. First of all I trust that my wife took our marriage vows seriously (and has done so for 8.5 years) and second, the minute I restrain her from testing me on this I lose her respect and her perception of my self-confidence.

Remember this -
The person in any relationship with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

That might sound Machiavellian, but it's tough love. When you express that someone is held in higher esteem than yourself, you display a lack of confidence. I think it was POOK that wrote this, but we only chase what runs away from us. By allowing my wife the option to go out without me it sends the message that "I'm confident enough in my own self-worth as a commodity that if you do cheat on me, there will be several women in line to take advantage of what you've just turned down by your actions."

And that's the trap - ONEitis paralyzes us into this mindset that we aren't the commodity and women are. That we'll never find another girl so we'd better take what we can get, do what we're told is expected of us and guard our access to her intimacy like it's the Hope diamond. In fact this is the surest way to suffocate a woman. The truth is her intimacy is no more valuable than the security that you represent to her. I'd even go so far as to say it is less valuable in most cases if you look at it as an exchange. There are a lot of women who'll fvck you as a form of agency to your security and the end result is that you (and hopefully she) get off. Whereas your potential to provide security is localized in you and the quality women percieve in you. Her agency (sex) is an immediate reinforcement, a man's (security) is a delayed reinforcement. Is it any wonder why women complain about how men are afraid of committment? They want that security as reinforcement a soon as possible. The man who isn't a commodity is rarely confronted with this problem.


Start thinking of yourself as a commodity, something others value. Assess what you represent to the opposite sex in these terms. Overcoming insecurity starts with you becoming aware of your own value and becoming confident that others will want some part of it. The next step is finding ways to express this in your own behavior because it's this behavior that will determine the response of a woman with regard to your security potential.
 

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Rollo Tomassi, that was a great post indeed.


But there's a problem, even if you achieve to be a commodity that someone else value, there's still problems.


For example, what if the girl you are with is an attention *****, makes you feel jealous like attracking guys all around her making you feel that you are not even there. Or when your girl has some guy that is say "better" than you, come over and compete with you, how do you react as a commodity when you know she's about to leave you for him.

There are many examples of this sort of things where stuff doesnt pass from YOUR hand to examine it and improve yourself to be a "commodity others value"


There are problems a guy has to face. What do you say about the above and how should we face them?
 

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-^ *sigh* ^-

This is where trust comes in... if she is really commited to you, then she will NOT dunp you for some other "better" guy.

I know what u mean though, i have been in the same situation before, and its REALLY frustrating when dealing with a girl like this.

But what i think that u should do is just tell her that u are not totally happy with the fact that she seeks attention from every guy possible, and that u wish for her to "stop it". If she wont stop it for you, then obviously u dont mean THAT much to her, now do you.

A girl like this is also the kind that is more likely to cheat on you, so if she is not willing to shape up, then i rate that u need to find urself a girl that u WILL mean alot to.

P.S.: Has anyone heard of the English poem called "white stocking"? Well, that poes speaks about this guy and his wife is also an attention seaker, and the problem was solved by him in simpler words telling her to "f*uckoff", and then when she realised what she was doing to him she agreed to stop it & never do it again.

What i would do in your situation (and i did it before) is for YOU to flirt with OTHER girls in front of her too, and when she complains to you about u doing it (she WILL complain to you) all u need to say is " So when u do it with other guys its ok, but when I do it there is a problem? Do you like that feeling when u see me flirting with other women? do you? well... thats how i feel every time i see YOU flirting with other men"

This will get her thinking and actually put herslef in your position, and then she should stop, or at least not do it even nearly as much.

its becoime a habbit to her, so dont expect her to stop suddenly, it will take a little time, but it will come to a stop, as long as u treat the situation correctly.;)

Good luck.

Laterz...
 

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Originally posted by Rogerman
...what if the girl you are with is an attention *****, makes you feel jealous like attracking guys all around her making you feel that you are not even there. Or when your girl has some guy that is say "better" than you, come over and compete with you, how do you react as a commodity when you know she's about to leave you for him.
These are often red flags, not always issues of jealousy and feelings of inferiority. Knowing the difference is the key. When something is a fowl in a relationship, especially in a situation where cheating is a concern, there is going to be more than one issue to clue you in on it.

The fact alone that a woman may be an attention wh0re doesn't mean she's screwing around on you. In the statement of yours I quoted above, there are at least three things there that raise a genuine reason for concern. It's more than likely the end has already begun in a situation like that. A lot of guys will try to reverse this stuff. Try to patch it up. Not admit the end is near.

If you can muster up several examples that will enforce one feeling of jealousy, than odds are there could be a real reason to be upset. If, on the other hand, you just don't like your girl talking to all sorts of guys, then the issue may be on you.
 

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I'm young, but I was having problems with jealousy mostly with my crazy ex gf and a little with my current gf, when I knew deep down there was no realisatic foundation to back any of my fantasies up.

I talked to my bro about it. Hes older, and has a shyt load of experience with girls. He told me the key to handling jealousy is a little word called perspective.

The trouble with trying to convince yourself that you're the "shyt" and that shed be crazy to leave you or cheat on you is that when it happens, that very fantasy about yourself that you used as your sole defense crumbles.

"Man, I'm the shyt, but she cheated in me with an obese gorilla!"

That won't help you. Rather, what helps is using your rationality as a man. You're obviously with this girl because deep down you trust her, other wise you wouldnt be with her, right? (I hope so)

Having a good healthy perspective of the world lets real world reality set in. It begs the question "I'm with her and I trust her, but WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN IF SHE WERE TO CHEAT ON ME?"

Are you going to marry this chick? Probably not. Chances are you like her, you might even like her a lot (or even love her), but what would your life be like if all of a sudden if she wasn't around. Would you be fine?

I know I would be. Thats how I'm getting over the jealousy thing. I let my girls do their own thing (as long as its not disrespectful to me) because at the end of the day I know I'm going to be fine with myself, all by myself, if they do decide to stray. I have my own shyt going on for me in this world. i learned that you can never really control anybody else's beahviour. Like many ppl have mentioned before, she will cheat on you at some point if that is her desire. The KEY is how you respond to this reality.

Perspective gives you the ultimate confidence. "Realize" that you don't "need" any chick (because in all reality noone really does, it's just that thousands of guys on this site are unaware of this at the moment) and jealousy won't faze you a bit.

This does not mean that you should be oblivious to your girl's actions. Be aware, but don't let all the small stuff get to you.


Why?

Because you're a man with perspective.
 

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Really great posts guys.

jbbrain , ill try to see things from a different perspective , your perspective, that i don't NEED her. But thing is , it's not all about cheating, its her behaviour towards me, like talking about how good looking that guy was and stuff like that. I dont mind talking about these it's just that she provokes it to see my "reaction", even thought its all real.
 

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Insecurity goes away when you realize you don't really NEED women. Jealousy goes away when you realize that you have MANY options with women.

Both go away when you become a strong enough person that you KNOW that you're great...or at least capable of greatness.
 

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Rollo Tomassi.

Good post. Reminds me of a little guy named Pook.
 

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Originally posted by digitalrat
Rollo Tomassi.

Good post. Reminds me of a little guy named Pook.
Pook is going to leave this site. Tomassi seems to be the next generation of "pooks" (and maybe "A-unit" too! :eek: ).

Pook is not very fond of psychology, but tomassi is! Actually he studies psychology (types of personalities). I like psychology and I believe it's inerent to all human being and it's a powerful tool we cannot "ignore"! :eek:
 

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Diggin' through Rollo Tomassi's posts I found that gem.

Happy reading! :D
 
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ways that made me stop with insecurities...

not caring

knowing you have other options

knowing you are the prize

following DJ principles (notice I did not mention the rules)

trusting her that I know that she won't cheat until she gives you reason to lose trust in her (I know that this is hard for those that have built those ivory castles against female invasion)

and

laying down the law that if she cheats on you, then she is gone from your life without a problem.
 
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