How do naturals do it - Gut instinct

[ZaCool]

I have talked to plenty of women, went out with some ...etc you know the usual crap guys go through with women , and i have read a lot, asked here and there for advice sometimes and its all good and useful ... but in all honesty i find that the deciding factor is usually gut instinct , it shouldnt be this easy but it is , if she likes me i feel it, if she has a bf i feel it , if iam her back up plan i also feel it, idk if my gut instinct is better than other men (since many seem to be lowering their value and not realizing the woman is lying) but for me personally whatever i feel is usually the case .

I tried to fight these feelings in the past and tell myself " i cant be right just cause i feel it " but turns out iam right 9/10 , and i have a feeling guys who are good with women do just that, they feel when to push and when to pull, they know when to give up on a woman and when to be more aggressive and go for it .

 

[MrWood]

go wit da gut

 

[greatsnake]

The gut/instinct is a self preservation mechanism— never ignore it.

 

[Tilex]

There's a theory about gut feelings which in essence relates to first moments of thought. The first thought is your instinctive reaction. Every thought after that is your brain second guessing yourself with logic.

The 3 second rule was invented so you don't second guess yourself and able to respond instinctively.

 

[The Duke]

You should take the Myers Briggs test. Most women use "feelings" to guide decision making. I've always thought women were natural at game, perhaps you are onto something. I've always had a tough time trusting feelings. I'd rather trust logic, but as I've gained experience the feeling/gut instinct side has developed and its usually congruent with rational logic. Both of these combined are tough to beat.

 

[guru1000]

The Gut instinct is simply an unconscious process that manifests in your behavior/thinking through repetition of conscious directives. What does this mean?

When you first started brushing your teeth, you needed to make conscious efforts to pick up the toothbrush, put toothpaste on the brush, and slide the brush across your teeth in a backwards and forward motion until an ending point. You committed this conscious act hundreds of times before this "conscious act" became unconscious through habituation. Now when you wake up, without thought, you walk to the bathroom and brush your teeth without conscious effort or thought.

The gut works in the same way. The more experiences you have, the more you practice, and the more certain behaviors repeat, the greater that pattern will habituate and slowly metamorphose from a conscious act to the unconscious. The "gut feeling" you get is simply a manifestation of the unconscious arising to the conscious.

The problem is if one had has many bad experiences in the past with women, his "gut" forms around such experiences, and thus will paint the experience pessimistically. What if one had improved, and thus will have vastly different experiences that his gut has yet to incorporate?

Diametrically, if one has had many great experiences in the past with women, his "gut" might paint the experience too optimistically. (Which is a better problem IMO)

The best way to perceive situations are pragmatically though a fluid lens. Heed the gut, yes, but by all means don't let it create the end-all approach to all social interactions. Better to remain fluid recognizing the distinctions in you, the subject, and the operating dynamic as new situations arise.

 

[ZaCool]

The Gut instinct is simply an unconscious process that manifests in your behavior/thinking through repetition of conscious directives. What does this mean?

When you first started brushing your teeth, you needed to make conscious efforts to pick up the toothbrush, put toothpaste on the brush, and slide the brush across your teeth in a backwards and forward motion until an ending point. You committed this conscious act hundreds of times before this "conscious act" became unconscious through habituation. Now when you wake up, without thought, you walk to the bathroom and brush your teeth without conscious effort or thought.

The gut works in the same way. The more experiences you have, the more you practice, and the more certain behaviors repeat, the greater that pattern will habituate and slowly metamorphose from a conscious act to the unconscious. The "gut feeling" you get is simply a manifestation of the unconscious arising to the conscious.

The problem is if one had has many bad experiences in the past with women, his "gut" forms around such experiences, and thus will paint the experience pessimistically. What if one had improved, and thus will have vastly different experiences that his gut has yet to incorporate?

Diametrically, if one has had many great experiences in the past with women, his "gut" might paint the experience too optimistically. (Which is a better problem IMO)

The best way to perceive situations are pragmatically though a fluid lens. Heed the gut, yes, but by all means don't let it create the end-all approach to all social interactions. Better to remain fluid recognizing the distinctions in you, the subject, and the operating dynamic as new situation arise.

you explain it in an interesting way, and i do agree on some parts, yes my past is full of bad experiences with women, basically the majority of women i attracted and thought were good for the gf role turned out taken and disappointed me (yes they talk to me, show interest and all but i find out and lose interest in them ) .

women always play games with me acting interested then uninterested then when i lose interest they suddenly start flirting again, despite giving advice to a lot of people and being the reason two of my friends have gfs and being very straight forward with opinions and usually honest, girls have never worked for me as i hoped ... attracting them is not hard the hard part is making them invest and after a certain amount of time if the girl is not investing as much as me then there is a reason behind it .... most men dont recognize that, they dont overthink it or care enough to, but i do, i noticed a long time ago that i can feel what others feel, i know if someone is mad, happy , sad ...etc, i know why most people i meet do what they do and can relate to a lot of theme, and girls are not different, most of the time after knowing the girl for a while i can understand her reasoning for doing something .... patterns have something to do with it, i recognize a taken girl from a 100 miles, i met enough to understand how a taken chick acts .

now regarding it being a problem, you could be right, i mean it is troublesome if i doubt every girl i cross paths with, but on the other hand its a pretty nice defense mechanism in my opinion and has helped me understand women more and not get too involved emoitionally with a girl who is just gonna hurt me, as long as there is balance it can work .

 

[Spidah]

Naturals have an abundance mindset. So they don't worry about what women think of them or how they are coming across much. It doesn't matter because they can get another bytch in five minutes.

Guys who are not naturals have a scarcity mindset. So every woman they deal with gets over-analyzed and the stakes are always very high in his mind.

 

[claudolfgeorgini]

Naturals not only know when a woman is into them, but they know WHAT KIND of woman they can get.

If you look at their dating history you'll be able to see patterns. They've learned how to convince a specific type of woman to sleep with them.

 

[QuadDeuces]

Naturals live in the moment, not in their head.

 

[zekko]

I think my gut instincts are pretty good right now. When I was a young man though, it was not so great. I misread a lot of situations, because I didn't have the experience yet. That may not sound like gut instinct, but I think it was. If you would have asked me at the time, I would have fully believed in the mistakes I was making. You hone your reflexes after awhile.

Naturals have an abundance mindset.

Naturals not only have an abundance mindset, they actually have an abundance.

 

[ZaCool]

I believe that gut feeling is just accumulated experience that begins with very early interaction.

A lot of boys realize at very early age that they like girls but do not understand why. For me it started in the 2nd/3rd grade. Not a lot of boys persistently act on that unknown feeling, however.

At that time I wanted to know if these girls liked me in return. It was more than just "Do you like me?" notes being passed in class. I wanted to spend time with them, even though I wasn't interested in what girls did. I flirted with them even though I had no idea what flirting was. I went through rejection and even the experience of competing with one or two other boys who were just like me for that alone time with the same girl. All very innocent, of course, but experience dealing with the opposite sex was already being developed at that point. Even though I never realized it until many many years later, my very first c0ckblock experience actually happened when I was 7 years old. lol.

By the time I was 8 or 9, I still didn't really understand any of it, but I was asking 16 year old girls to come sleep over my house. Of course all I had in mind was pajamas and board games, but they would giggle and turn cherry red in embarrassment, because at 16 they understood the meaning behind all of this stuff.

By the time I was 14, 15, I was already doing better than most guys were, as did the other boys who began that same kind of early interaction. This is when the real game begins, essentially, because this is typically around the time a young girl sees an erect penis for the very first time. You might as well be slapping a life-sized elephant trunk on the table. They're scared of it and they know what you want to do with that thing. They like you, but push you away. Game on!

By the time a kid like that reaches 21/22 years old, he is being viewed as a "natural" by others. But it's not a special gift. It's not a 6th sense. It's just 15 years of previous experience with women already earned by the age of 22. Many of other guys who aren't considered "naturals" typically didn't jump head on into these interactions/experiences until puberty started to kick in. A few guys can fall into it, catch up and get by that way, many others don't and have to learn the long, hard way.

This is pretty true i must say, yes most guys that are "naturals" at least the ones i know, started dating earlier than others, while we played hide and seek at 13 they were already kissing girls.

I personally first started having an interest in girls around 16-17, late bloomer i know, but i improved a lot since then but someone who's been dealing with girls for 15 years by the time he's 22-23 will have the upper hand compared to me, i have been into the dating game for 5-6 years, and during that time i think i've made some serious prgress considiring i never even had an interest in any of that during my highschool years ... i find myself improving every day, realizing what kind of girls i can get and should aim for, what kind of girls are into me and find me attractive and are receptive ... i can now easily tell if a chick has a bf, wants something serious or is f*cking with me for sh*ts and giggles ... yes experienced improves the gut instict .

overall i would say experience has made my gut instinct far more advanced than before and even better than other guys' who didnt have many interactions with women .... but iam trying to act like a natural which wont be easy since as you mentioned it takes years, iam trying to find shortcuts to reach my goal faster, and my goal atm is simple, get laid and have fun , but its not working out for me lol

 

[ZaCool]

You should take the Myers Briggs test. Most women use "feelings" to guide decision making. I've always thought women were natural at game, perhaps you are onto something. I've always had a tough time trusting feelings. I'd rather trust logic, but as I've gained experience the feeling/gut instinct side has developed and its usually congruent with rational logic. Both of these combined are tough to beat.

i did , it says iam a campaigner, its not 100% accurate but it got a lot of stuff right about me, esepcially the feeling what others feel part, yeah i can understand others and their feelings and feel what they feel which makes it easy sometimes to know what someone wants .

 

[nicksaiz65]

Pook did say to trust the gut

 

[The Duke]

i did , it says iam a campaigner, its not 100% accurate but it got a lot of stuff right about me, esepcially the feeling what others feel part, yeah i can understand others and their feelings and feel what they feel which makes it easy sometimes to know what someone wants.

I'm not surprised by what you have shared previously. I recently dated a girl that was a campaigner(ENFP) and that personality type definitely draws a person in. She was very good at telling me what I wanted to hear.

 

[Red Legg]

If there is one thing I have learned in 46 years on this big ball of spinning mud it is this.Patience masters most things,no one and I mean no one can speed me or force me into a decision.I may take days or even weeks before weighing all the facts and " sleeping on it" before I make my move and when I make it I strike like lightning.Often when you have patience and wait a few days more information becomes available to help you make your decision,your gut can be dead wrong if you rush things.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

The guys I've known in my lifetime who have been with the most girls had VERY LOW STANDARS FOR LOOKS.

Anyone who says they fvck 8+'s on rotation with no commitment and without paying for it is 99.9% likely to be full of sh1t.

Okay maybe if you're still in college and you're the king of the frat house, but besides that. Or if you're some form of celebrity.

 

[R.U.G.]

Frogman has a point there, and he says he gets 8's and high all the time.

 

[guru1000]

The guys I've known in my lifetime who have been with the most girls had VERY LOW STANDARS FOR LOOKS.

Anyone who says they fvck 8+'s on rotation with no commitment and without paying for it is 99.9% likely to be full of sh1t.

Okay maybe if you're still in college and you're the king of the frat house, but besides that. Or if you're some form of celebrity.

... Or some sort of self-proclaimed Guru.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Frogman has a point there, and he says he gets 8's and high all the time.

For money.

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