How do I Win Her Back?

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I live in L.A., and met my girlfriend 4 months ago while traveling for work in San Francisco. We hit it off and started a long distance relationship. She's 21 and still in school and I'm 30 and working. She was able to visit 1-2 times a month for a week at a time, and I'd be there for a few days the other weeks. The first 3 months were amazing and we both said we never felt such an intense connection as we had. Hours and hours on the phone getting to know each other were spent when we weren't together, and the times together were even more intense.

Last I saw her was middle of January after she came for 2 weeks for Christmas. She went to visit girlfriends one weekend, who live an 1.5 hrs away, and suddenly decided that she was going to move in with them. Obviously having fun, she didn't get too many chances to talk as much as we had. She'll be even further away from me. In the process of moving, one of her family members became ill and she flew out to the East Coast with her mother to support. She says she'll be out there for the month of February and March.

Throughout our time together, my feelings became stronger and even thought of moving to be closer to her. I chose the day after Valentine's Day to gauge where we're at. Turns out she's been thinking about us too. She said she's still attracted to me, but thinks "we were meant to be with other people." There are differences in our personalities(ex: she's a Republican, I'm a Democrat) that she would not want either of us to compromise on and doesn't believe people should change themselves at all for a mate. The points she made about our differences show immaturity where little things seem to matter(like leaving the water on while brushing teeth), but in the long run do not. On top of this, she says she believes she and her ex were meant to be(even though he's now married). This is a guy she dated when she was 15-19(and was going to marry) and said she is still not over him. She said there's absolutely no other guy, "it's not you, it's me", wants us to be friends and still talk on the phone as we normally do because we do click so well.

How do I turn this around? Obviously, I don't want to be "just friends". I know it's only been 4 months, and I probably sound like an AFC in his first relationship(I'm not). We had such an intense beginning and depth of feelings. Depth that she claims she "thought was there" in the moment, but now after thinking about it, she claims was not there.

Is this just her being scared that we really can achieve a real meaningful relationship? Her ex screwed her over by cheating on her, and is this just a bell ringing to tell her to move on before she gets hurt? I know she's only 21 and idealistic, but I really feel we have something good and I looked so hard to find. The distance created an amazing friendship and understanding that made our physical attraction even that much more intense. But is there such thing as the proximity matters? I finally found someone, who I thought was amazing, and as quickly as I found it, it's quickly going away. I know we have a bunch of obstacles in the way, like her age, the distance, her ex, but I feel we can over-come them together.

Since our conversation, I've tried the no-contact, but she's been texting every day. I kept the responses short and answer her questions. Last night we spoke on the phone and it was like "being friends" updating me on what she's doing. I don't want the window to close here. Help!:confused:
 

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She's just using you as an emotional tamp0n at the moment.

Its not true friendship.

Cut off contact completely and give the reason politely that you don't think its a good idea for you both to maintain this "friendship" because friendship with women is just not what you're about.

With you its girlfriend or nothing.

And you maintain no contact until she starts saying what you want to hear if ever but you don't go no contact for a day or two and then ask us again what you should do because it will be the same answer.

Maintain no contact until she makes contact about being wrong about you both and that now she wants your c0ck and a relationship back with you and that she cares more about you than her ex etc, etc.

If she never does that then she is not interested and you are better off being completely without her instead of with her in a false friendship listening to stories and offering her relationship advice on all the other guys that aren't you that she is fvcking at the moment.
 

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How do you turn this around? You don't. You can't.

There are too many things against you here, I'm sorry to tell you. Yours actually sounds like a textbook case. Seen it too many times. Here are all the pitfalls:

1. She's 21. At that age, they're still not all mature.
2. She lives borderline long distance, and guys who live closer to her are getting time in easier than you were.
3. She spoke the Death Sentences: ""we were meant to be with other people" and "It's not you, it's me". When you hear these kinds of statements coming from the girl, that means it's over.
4. Same with when they talk about their exes like she did "we were meant to be!". That means she no longer cares for how you feel. I wouldn't be surprised if her ex is having an affair with her.
5. You're making excuses for her, which is typical, rather than facing it's over. Excuses like:

"She's a Republican, I'm a Democrat" - Go tell that to James Carville and Mary Matalin.

"Is this just her being scared that we really can achieve a real meaningful relationship? Her ex screwed her over by cheating on her..." - Trust me. If her favorite Hollywood actor called her today to go out, she'd be just fine going out with him.

"but I really feel we have something good " - She doesn't want to see you? What do you have? Nothing!

"The points she made about our differences show immaturity where little things seem to matter (like leaving the water on while brushing teeth)" - that actually shows that she's rather rigid.

"We had such an intense beginning and depth of feelings." - Things change.

"I know she's only 21 and idealistic, but" - No "buts".

"I know we have a bunch of obstacles in the way, like her age, the distance, her ex, but" - You omitted the biggest obstacle of them all: She's no longer interested. Gotta have TWO people to make a relationship.

I've tried the no-contact, but she's been texting every day. I kept the responses short and answer her questions. Last night we spoke on the phone
If you're responding and spending time talking on the phone, that's not what I would call "No Contact". DON'T give her the attention! She's taking the good stuff she likes from you WITHOUT being in a relationship with you! And you're not getting anything in return. Don't let her do this to you. All you're teaching her is this: "You can dump me and toss me away and stomp on my broken heart, and I'll still be there for you!"

Focus on your life right now and get out and do things. Make a great life for yourself. Don't waste your energy and time on someone who doesn't want to be with you.
 

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She's 21. At that age, they're still not all mature.
That's something I had reservations with when we started dating. Me being 30, I knew we were in different stages of our lives. BUT, who doesn't love a cute 21 year old? If I run into a similar situation, should I just avoid it all together? Not to sound idealistic, but could one DJ them off their feet and grow with them?

"Is this just her being scared that we really can achieve a real meaningful relationship? Her ex screwed her over by cheating on her..." - Trust me. If her favorite Hollywood actor called her today to go out, she'd be just fine going out with him.
I asked this because we all put up walls after we've been hurt. She has a history of being a serial dater, where she'd date a guy for a week here, month there, etc. I was able to tear them down one by one, and was her longest relationship since her previous long term relationship. So, still, just an excuse on my behalf?

If you're responding and spending time talking on the phone, that's not what I would call "No Contact". DON'T give her the attention!
As tough as it is, it's definitely the way to go. When I'm out and about, I notice that I don't think about it as much as when I'm alone. It's just that when I see other girls, I get in the mode of comparing them to her. Again, this just being still kinda fresh, I sound like an AFC.
 

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I keep saying this sh1t. You are the catch, not her! She messed up. Find another woman. That's when she'll notice what's she's missed out on.

Tell her that she's absolutely correct about not being made for each other. This gives her nothing to argue with. Then she'll start thinking of all those other thoughts that you haven't allowed her to think because you're trying to have it your way. You're playing the "doormat". Brother, I've been there, and it never paid off.
 

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tick37 said:
I keep saying this sh1t. You are the catch, not her! She messed up. Find another woman. That's when she'll notice what's she's missed out on.
So, even though we put in the work to establish a foundation in the first 3 months, it's all gone to hell. It just sounds so out of left field. I know I gotta do things for myself, so I don't look pathetic in front of her, and re-establish a life. BUT, if I am not in communication with her, how will she know how great things are going with me and my new woman?
 

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Trying to win her back is like trying to convince God to let you into Heaven after you've sold your soul to the Devil.

Dude just face it you're the rebound guy. Her heart is still with her ex-boyfriend and her desire to be him increased once he got married.

She has you wrapped to point where if she wants you to come see her out here, you'll be on the first thing smokin'.

Dude you're in L.A., cut your small project and start building an empire with all pretty women you have to chose from out there.
 

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Everybody on this thread who says no contact is right and I agree, look at her pattern, she already told you she feels like her and her ex were meant to be, and he's married...obviously she wants what she can't have. Review Kontroller X's post, and review it often he said it all. She's 21 and dingy, she nexted you, for your own self interest WALK and don't look back, next time don't blab so much on the phone and find several chicks to date at the same time
 

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deadspace said:
So, even though we put in the work to establish a foundation in the first 3 months, it's all gone to hell. It just sounds so out of left field. I know I gotta do things for myself, so I don't look pathetic in front of her, and re-establish a life. BUT, if I am not in communication with her, how will she know how great things are going with me and my new woman?
This quote is a prime example of the #1 reason you need to leave this woman and rethink what you're doing in your life. You cannot let a woman take control of your life. Marriage is one thing, a relationship is another.

If I'm right, you're probably very depressed that you're not with this woman right now. You want to win her back by getting on with your life and showing her that you are capable of life without her.

But wouldn't that be living a lie? Yes. Do you want to live a lie? It's up to you. But I'll tell you this; eventually it's going to catch up with you.

When people on the forum say no contact, they aren't saying it so that she will eventually come back to you. They are saying it for YOU OWN GOOD. If you are so emotionally attached to this woman that you can't go on with life without her, then you were in the wrong in the first place. You need to be a man and live your own life. Girlfriends are nice to have around, but as soon as they become the center of your world, you are no longer truly a man. We've all been here, I'm guilty as well.

My best advice is to feel the pain and get over it. It's going to take some time but eventually you will be yourself again. Let yourself heal before you jump into anything else like a relationship or anything like that. Live the single life and try your best to forget about this woman. If she left you, she obviously doesn't care about you and you don't want a woman who doesn't care about you.

So yes, no contact, but for the right reason. Learn from these mistakes and improve yourself into a better man! It's a good thing believe me.
 

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It's natural to want someone that doesn't want you. It's your ego trying to get her back, but doing the opposite will work in your situation. If you cared about yourself, you wouldn't chase someone that doesn't treat you right. I'd say you need to accept it and move on. Don't date anyone under 25 in your case, but that still won't fix your women issues. Just don't let them know they've got you. Everytime you do, they've got the power and will walk all over you.
 

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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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tick37 said:
It's natural to want someone that doesn't want you. It's your ego trying to get her back, but doing the opposite will work in your situation. If you cared about yourself, you wouldn't chase someone that doesn't treat you right. I'd say you need to accept it and move on. Don't date anyone under 25 in your case, but that still won't fix your women issues. Just don't let them know they've got you. Everytime you do, they've got the power and will walk all over you.
I know there are no guarantees in any relationship, but for the MOST part a 25-30 year old would be a little more stable. Next time I know better. Even though she's supposedly full-on emotionally into it, I should just let her know enough and keep her guessing and working hard for me instead of the other way around.

For my case, me being 30 and her 21, it sounds like it was meant to be just a fling to begin with. Everything appeared to be so perfect from an emotional standpoint. My bad for thinking longer term and getting so emotionally invested in just 4 months. I guess that was a major part of the problem?
 

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We learn the hard way. The song says, "Fools rush in". The reason they say that is because your hanging yourself out there without even knowing the other person. I rushed in and got engaged after 8 months. 6 months later we were married, and I didn't even realize I didn't know her. She was verbally abusive, unappreciative, and unfaithful.

Reevaluate this situation and ask yourself whether she's doing you a favor. If she's willing to move across to the East coast, then I'd say she's doing you a favor. You'll be thankful when you get over her and start dating the next girl.

A woman can't be your happiness because she can walk away at any time. She can add to your happiness like all your other hobbies, but she just can't be your happiness.
 

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2 things you can start doing right now before the next girl comes along:

1. Get some standards (know what you want).
2. Learn to say no regardless of the outcome (it's not about
them, it's about you).

It's your life, and you're not going to put up with BS. You run your life, not her.

Girls like a guy who knows what he wants and what he's made of...
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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tick37 said:
I keep saying this sh1t. You are the catch, not her! She messed up. Find another woman. That's when she'll notice what's she's missed out on.

Tell her that she's absolutely correct about not being made for each other. This gives her nothing to argue with. Then she'll start thinking of all those other thoughts that you haven't allowed her to think because you're trying to have it your way. You're playing the "doormat". Brother, I've been there, and it never paid off.
110% true. Start dating another woman, and try to show up where she is partying (late) with your new woman, and she wont be all that happy about it, unless she is a complete wh*oredog.
 

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Guys, thanks for the support. I've been doing well with NC ever since taking people's advice here. Just yesterday, she called and left a voicemail. For Christmas, I gave her a set of really nice earrings(~$300) which at the time(obviously) our feelings were mutual and deserved. She wants to know if I now want them back and said she would understand if I did. I didn't respond yet. The heart-broken/angry side of me wants to take everything back from her, while the 'nice guy' side says to let her keep them since they were given as a token of my feelings. I'm torn. What's best for me and my sanity??
 

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Damn now thats a massive sh!t test from her deadspace.

Its either a case of her wanting to deceptively and cleverly test your emotions surrounding her or a case of her asking you about the earrings and if you want them back to appease her conscience so that she can keep them ie she is probably counting on you to say its ok if she keeps them.

Either way you need to turn this bullsh!t around on her somehow and come away looking cool and unaffected.

I'll try to come up with some things you could say in response to her but disregard what I say if another poster comes up with a smoother way of answering...

Alright you could turn this around by turning it into a joke of sorts by maybe saying...

"What they were that ugly you don't want them anymore? haha thats cool you can send them back to me if you want."

That response could also be construed as bitter and you hiding feelings from her lol but its all I've got today as my creativity is sapped for joke responses to destroy her sh!t test.

Hopefully another poster does indeed have something better to say to her to pass this stupid test but I think I at least identified the two possible reasons she is giving this test to you.
 

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It seems like she is trying to bait you. Why would someone want to give back a gift? I'd take that as an insult if it were anyone else. If I gave something to someone, I'd be a little whiny punk if I asked for them back. What you want to do in this situation, as far as I'm concerned, is convey that you aren't phase by her tactics. Just tell her to keep them and wish her and her new boyfriend the best of luck.

This quick tip might help you out: http://sosuave.com/quick2/tip547.htm
 

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Without reading, I'll bet that every single person here told you to forget this chick and stop trying. (confirmed). People around here are predictable.

I tell people in this situation, you need to follow your heart. Now don't get confused, that doesn't mean chase after every single possibility of love. What I'm saying is, let your heart tell you what's best for you. Now I realize that this LDR isn't going to work. On a rational level, you're probably already aware that there are a lot of difficulties. But if at any time, it seems worthwhile for you to pursue this girl, then just do it. What's the point of living life if you don't live a life that excites you. You need to do what feels right.

Now let me add a HUGE caveat here. Think of a play: there's action onstage, which is often very simple. Meanwhile, everyone offstage is scurrying around, getitng the next act ready, changing, and preparing makeup and so forth. If your heart says to stay in touch with this girl, try to talk to her on stage. Do what your heart says on stage. But off stage, do everything you can to get over this girl. Change your heart off stage, but follow it in the moment. That is the only way to live a full life, but direct your life in a more fruitful path than draining LDRs.

But if you're still benefiting, then why not stay? The worst that can happen from pursuing her is that you end up in the exact same place. I've done it, and I learned so many great lessons from following my heart. I would never do anything differently. If your heart says forget her, forget her! If it says to chase, then enjoy it, and work off stage - hang out with friends, get lots of massages, eat blueberries, feed birds in the park, and enjoy sunrises and pancakes with your family. Make your life good, and your heart will forget this chick if she's not as good as the maple syrup.

Izza
 

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