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How do 90% of men out of college (say 23-30) meet someone?

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If you meet a girl that is single and above average she is most likely "interviewing" several other men simultaneously, being aware of this is important and something I learned the hard way.
How did you learn that the hard way? You see, bigdave17 and myself think you'd clean up with online dating and that you are insane to give up on it if you just got burned once on there.

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I've had women ask me out on dates and then later flake and not hear from them.
You should over book the dates then. Have two or three women booked for one time, probably two will flake out and you'll still have a date with one of them. Its a numbers game.

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I have a trend where I was meeting women at my gym who were seeing someone but continued to engage with me, as in they'd go out of there way to talk to me/encourage me and create openings to ask them out. I'm getting to the point where I realize that I'll need to take a girl from her bf or settle for something I'm not into at all.
You have to steal a girl from her bf. At least you have that option. What are you complaining about? It looks like you are meeting lots of women that are jumping at the chance to trade up with you and they are not married to them.

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Edit: It's a lot easier with a social circle though, most of my 20s I was a loner but once I got a good group of guy friends it became easier to meet women.
Bigdave17 said he'd give his right arm to be like you. What are you complaining about.
 

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Are they just getting lucky via social circle/work approaching??


Among all the men I know, an absolutely tiny percentage can cold approach a woman with any sort of success rate. Most men find cold approaching to be immensely daunting/difficult and even many who are decent socially are not good looking enough to do cold approaching.
maybe 2% are good looking enough for online dating or bars/clubs.


So how do they find somebody? I often wonder how the incel rate is not way higher than it is considering the difficulty level of dating. Most men are able to do it but how?
Probably through their job. Most people meet their SO's at work or in the course of work.
 

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How did you learn that the hard way? You see, bigdave17 and myself think you'd clean up with online dating and that you are insane to give up on it if you just got burned once on there.



You should over book the dates then. Have two or three women booked for one time, probably two will flake out and you'll still have a date with one of them. Its a numbers game.



You have to steal a girl from her bf. At least you have that option. What are you complaining about? It looks like you are meeting lots of women that are jumping at the chance to trade up with you and they are not married to them.



Bigdave17 said he'd give his right arm to be like you. What are you complaining about.
a 6'4, jacked, white 7-9/10 dude is the absolute cream of the crop

he would dominate online dating if he actually tried. Me, personally, I'm ethnic looking and about a 7.5/10 in real life but only like a 6ish in pics. Not nearly good enough for online dating
 

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a 6'4, jacked, white 7-9/10 dude is the absolute cream of the crop

he would dominate online dating if he actually tried. Me, personally, I'm ethnic looking and about a 7.5/10 in real life but only like a 6ish in pics. Not nearly good enough for online dating
I know what you mean. You end up settling with garbage because your ego gets pummeled online by all the ignores, rejections, and flakes and feel happy that even a garbage girl can take you on so you can feel human and at the end of the day still waste your time anyway. I just stay away from that humiliation. You get Cadillac syndrome from all the time wasted with rejections and ignores and wind up settling just to feel like you didn't waste all that time.
 

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baffling

why would you want to risk your job like that?
Yes. Everything in life is a risk anyway. Most people do because that's how they meet their SO. People dress their best for work and they are usually all dolled up. I'd ask a client out after a transaction was finished and the business side of the relationship was purged out, why not? Have not met anyone that I was really interested in that way though since I don't deal with that many clients.
 

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Yes. Everything in life is a risk anyway. Most people do because that's how they meet their SO. People dress their best for work and they are usually all dolled up.
I wear a shirt and tie for work and lots of people say i look great but i would much rather be wearing a nice pair or jeans and a Jared Lange or Seven Diamonds button up with a nice watch and matching shoes

I feel like a million bucks when I go out dressed to the nines
 

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I'm about a 7.5/10 in terms of my face with solid muscle size and excellent "presentation" - hair, hygiene, style, body language, etc.... is 100% on point

I want about the same range - a 7-8/!0 woman. I'm mostly attracted to mediterranean/mexican/latin/middle eastern women. I'm NOT looking for a supermodel
Most mexican women are extremely fat. It's very rare to see a slim mexican girl. When you add the additional criterion of a pretty face, the odds are vanishingly slim. Basically, it's impossible to find a slim mexican girl past the age of 21 or so. Most of them turn into pigs by their early 20's. Mexico is one of the fattest countries on the planet.

Middle eastern women? In hijab or burka? Hiding a backpack full of TNT? No thanks. Usually those women have enormous hook noses too.

I've met some cute Italian girls. Most are mixed blood with irish or german and aren't really full blooded italian. They just call themselves italian to make themselves feel different. It's not a real thing though.

If you limit yourself to those groups you are screwing yourself over big time. But it looks like you are excluding yourself from all women anyway by not approaching.
 

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Most mexican women are extremely fat. It's very rare to see a slim mexican girl. When you add the additional criterion of a pretty face, the odds are vanishingly slim. Basically, it's impossible to find a slim mexican girl past the age of 21 or so. Most of them turn into pigs by their early 20's. Mexico is one of the fattest countries on the planet.

Middle eastern women? In hijab or burka? Hiding a backpack full of TNT? No thanks. Usually those women have enormous hook noses too.

I've met some cute Italian girls. Most are mixed blood with irish or german and aren't really full blooded italian. They just call themselves italian to make themselves feel different. It's not a real thing though.

If you limit yourself to those groups you are screwing yourself over big time. But it looks like you are excluding yourself from all women anyway by not approaching.
What? There are tons of hot latinas at my gym. Couple of them look like this





I'm Armenian, which is semi middle eastern (borderline). Our women are the most gorgeous in the world





Lebanese, Persian, Turkish etc... are very gorgeous too. You're ignorant about the middle east dude. Not only are they beautiful but they age incredibly well. My 59 year old mom could pass for a 40 year old if she was white (we don't get wrinkles). That broad is 34 in that picture - she'll look like that until about 50. Even 50-70, she'll be very pretty. My grandma was beautiful when she died at 75
 
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@bigdave17, do you speak Spanish? Just curious since you like Latino women. There is a fairly large Hispanic population where I live. A lot of them don't speak English but have a friendly manner and smile at you.
 

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How did you learn that the hard way? You see, bigdave17 and myself think you'd clean up with online dating and that you are insane to give up on it if you just got burned once on there.



You should over book the dates then. Have two or three women booked for one time, probably two will flake out and you'll still have a date with one of them. Its a numbers game.



You have to steal a girl from her bf. At least you have that option. What are you complaining about? It looks like you are meeting lots of women that are jumping at the chance to trade up with you and they are not married to them.



Bigdave17 said he'd give his right arm to be like you. What are you complaining about.
I learned that the hard way when I was younger because I assumed she just wasn't interested in me, when in fact she was dating several other men before I even met her. I had unwittingly sabotaged myself due to a lack of experience, I was an extreme late bloomer both physically and in the dating game.

I'm not around women enough where I'm speaking to multiple individuals at the same time, so that wouldn't be an option for me.

I don't push for it because I'm not sure if that is drama that I would want to deal with or not, granted each individual case can be treated differently based on context. If we are in a situation where we can still engage with one another at least semi regularly I will mention to them that I like them and interested very early on, I just never go in with the expectation that she will break up with the bf to be with me.

I'm not complaining lol, I'm just saying how it can be difficult for me to meet the right girl and sometimes it is better to focus on other things in life besides women and relationships.
 

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@bigdave17, do you speak Spanish? Just curious since you like Latino women. There is a fairly large Hispanic population where I live. A lot of them don't speak English but have a friendly manner and smile at you.
the Spanish chicks here are very Americanized...most of them born here or grew up here
 

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Post college it’s about social circles, travelling and meeting people abroad, coed sports leagues.

The biggest issue is that people plays too safe and are adverse to changing or doing something that is completely foreign.

Go on the Holy Ship, go to Burning Man, go to Coachella, go to Amalfi Coast, go to Paris.

Or you can sit at home or hang about with your guys and get nowhere.

This mindset isn’t just about dating it applies to all areas of your life.

Just talk to people to learn about their experiences and views on life.

Break your mundane patterns.

Playing it safe hasn’t worked thus far so be daring outrageous.

I used to wear a polyester powder blue suit with a dark blue rayon shirt with powder blue streaks. It was ridiculous how many people and women would open me.

My buddy and I wore dresses to a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert. Same thing happened.

I ate mushrooms before a college final and talked to the professor while tripping balls.

The point is that you get one life so enjoy it to the fullest.

Sure, some guys were both looking like model or have infinite charisma but you cannot control that.

You can only control how much you are willing embrace life and truly live.

You don’t need to be extreme but be interesting.
 

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I’ve never had a social circle. It’s been cold approach and/or online all along.

Took ballroom dance for a while, but only made some aquaintences in their 50s and up.

All that aside, I think social circles are great for guys that can pull it off.
This is the route I've taken too after high school. Mostly it's been online dating for me. It's been mixed results, maybe good in some ways but at price.
 

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why u say that?
Because incels would probably never think to come in a forum like this and if they discovered it they would probably go white knight and call this forum rape culture ot something.
 

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sociopathic? Literally everybody who has ever known me says I'm a fantastic person
Hence, you are narcissistic. If you were such an Armenian G-d that you claim, you'd not be pissing and moaning each and every day about women who are not up to your level.
 

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Because incels would probably never think to come in a forum like this and if they discovered it they would probably go white knight and call this forum rape culture ot something.
How do you figure that. That sounds so ill informed. Why would you assume incels are SJWs? You've never been to an actual incel site or seen the news of incel killers? The stereotype, if any, is a white conservative guy that can't get a proper girl because they are all choosing Chads over them and they feel they are entitled to get laid.
 

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How do you figure that. That sounds so ill informed. Why would you assume incels are SJWs? You've never been to an actual incel site or seen the news of incel killers? The stereotype, if any, is a white conservative guy that can't get a proper girl because they are all choosing Chads over them and they feel they are entitled to get laid.
I've never been to an incel forum. Eliot Rodgers wasn't white. Are you white?
 
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