how critical is my APARTMENT?

[Delta]

howdy,

well, i grew up without a cent to my name but i worked my way up, do computer graphics now and make ok money and i'm saving up to maybe get my own place someday.

but as of now, i drive a hyundai accent and i live alone in a pretty small one bedroom with no windows in the bedroom (i call it the dungeon).

the place is clean and relatively uncluttered. it's small so maximizing space is a challenge (especially with my workout bench (simple bench, no bar rack) and weights) but i think i've done pretty well.

still, it's not exactly the ideal bachelor pad.

so HOW BIG A DEAL is your place? i'm sure it doesn't matter much when you're a kid in college but i've got a feeling that the significance increases as you get older.

so as a "genxer", just tryin' to get a sense of where i am... am i screwed?

or is there a way to play it off? and if so, what's the best?

thanks

delta

 

[AngelusPUA]

You can't exactly pick up a classy rich girl and taked her back to a 'dungeon'.

 

[Delta]

well i call it the dungeon cuz it has no windows. basically i live like a college student.

so then basically, the answer to my question is that even though, as a PUA, no one is out of your league, your apartment may indeed make it so.

well, it's consistent with my view of reality.

delta

 

[realsmoothie]

Why can't you find a better place? It's my experience that in a big city, price is never really an issue... given a particular amount of rent to spend, it only takes work to find a nicer place.

 

[Delta]

errrr,

REALLY? wow... especially concerning rentals, i NEVER find that to be true. you come into an apartment at a point in time X. your rent and its ability to be raised is now LIMITED by law as long as you live there. but every time you move into a new place, the landlord has raised the price of the rent (which was limited by the previous tenant) to CURRENT MARKET VALUE. which is almost CERTAINLY higher than what you were paying.

and my place may be humble but my rent REALLY reflects it. less than $800 a month in los angeles, utilities included.

HIGHLY UNLIKELY i can find something at that price or lower.

i could indeed move to someplace pricier than that - i could afford to do so. but as i said, i'd like to save up to get a condo so i'm not blowing expensive rent ($1400 a month easily) without it going toward my own place.

but if it ends up being really important, i may have to make a move (or a purchase) sooner than later.

also, since i do 3d computer graphics, there may come a time when i end up stringing out a bunch of freelance gigs and that definitely lacks the stability and guaranteed check of a regular full time job. in such cases, having low overhead is really nice.

ah well, i guess i can go looking for poor girls!

delta

 

[KarmaSutra]

Brother,

My apartment was THE place to be. Rarely was I at my place alone. Always had a friend or five hanging around. What you need to do is find what makes you happy in your place. I love fish and wanted an aquarium but I'm too fvckin' lazy and didn't have the space to put one up so I burned a copy of a dvd sal****er aquarium and let the motherfvcker run all day and night. If you dont have a window buy a nice mirror or a painting (yes a real one you cheap bastard!) of a motif or window scene.

It's details that make it count.

 

[AngelusPUA]

I'm not here to brag but when a girl sees my apartment she wants to marry me, she will invite her friends over just so she can be seen with me in my apartment. If I take a girl back to my apartment I will instantly get laid, your apartment reflect who you are and how successful you are so when a women sees a big , stylish apartment she knows you are a tasteful, stylish, successful guy (but not all people can afford $5000 a week in rent). Does this mean people that can’t afford a place like mine don’t get laid? Of course not you can still meet women and take them back to your place. If the woman is attracted enough to you she will f*ck you in the park.

Does this mean you can’t get certain women? Yes

It means high class girls with high expectations are out, you won’t get them. Middle class girls on the other hand will be easy to get. Having a bad apartments is more a restriction that a hindrance. My friend has a $800 a week apartment with 4 roommates he still gets laid but if he takes a business woman to his place she will be instantly turned off, its harsh but its reality.

 

[Delta]

haha,

well angelus, high class girls with high expectations would be out for me in a whole lot of other ways too... so that's cool. upper/middle class working class stiff here so yeah, i don't think i'll be pulling down the likes of paris hilton any time soon.

yup, that's completely in keeping with other stuff - if she's expecting dinner in italy or fancy restaurants every time out, i would definitely not be her guy.

and thanks karma, good to get perspective from someone my age! actually, it would be interesting to see how the PUA lifestyle breaks down according to decade.

delta

 

[AngelusPUA]

Not Paris Hilton type I mean business women. Your apartment limits your choices but it in no way stops you from getting good looking women.

 

[Delta]

i gotcha... yeah, if she wears armani suits to work and drives a mercedes and has a taste for champagne, i doubt i got a shot. but i can totally live with that.

delta

 

[AngelusPUA]

See I would like to agree with you man but the thing is I think if you bring a hot, classy, distinguished business woman to a small, on bedroom apartment with no window she won't be impressed. She also won't be impressed when you approach her in a $50 shirt with a $10 haircut.

People would like to believe that money and looks have no effect on their game but in reality they do and the reality is rich, classy women go for rich classy guys. Having money makes you of higher value because inevitably by having money you are perceived as successful in life. So when a guy in a cheap shirt and a bad haircut approaches a classy woman in a expensive dress that drives her own Rolls Royce she will automatically think "he is below me" and nothing you do can change that.

That’s how I perceive it anyway because I see a lot of PUA's trying to game these type of women and the women look at them like they are worthless. Do I agree with it definitely not, I mean I have money but I have friend that are broke in fact my broke friends are my best friends and they never ask me for money. It's just a sad fact of life that rich, sophisticated people do not want to associate with the 'normal' people and I say normal because obviously the majority of the population is working class.

If a ‘normal’ guy is lucky enough to get a date with a hot, classy woman or pick her up while he is drunk and she gets back to his crappy one bedroom apartment she will turn and walk away. I say this from having seen this sought of thing happen time and time again, you get the suavest, coolest most interesting and good looking guy who isn’t wearing a $200 shirt and the classy girl will look at him like trash. One of my broke friend in particular is a ladies man he is suave, confident, funny, good looking and to top it off he is cultured but he can’t afford nice cloths and a nice apartment and he get nowhere with these women.

It is and ugly fact of life and this is from somebody who has been on both sides of the spectrum, when I didn’t have money I would get 100’s of women but never and classy ones. Oh and I just like to add it’s not the money hat gets me the rich girls because obviously they have money to.

Espi is right though make you apartment look good.

 

[Delta]

right.

i've spent the last couple of years getting my body into shape, my wardrobe (even non sneaker shoes!) in order (no $200 shirts [have several $80 one though...] but i have style now [other than t-shirt jeans computer graphics nerd look]) and my finances in order (finally pretty comfortable, money in the bank and completely debt free... woo hoo! that's the nice thing about a hyundai - got it paid off!).

i guess the next step is my place.

(i really have accomplished so much on this journey so far... too bad no girl will see my apartment and get that!)

it's as nice as can be, neat and uncluttered. in the living space, i just need to get a nice place to hide my printer and scanner and get a real bed (futon now) for the bedroom.

i think a move has to wait for a bit but i will more actively keep an eye out on good condo opportunities.

thanks fellows.

delta

p.s. and i have to take my own advice. no matter how bad any problem may be, you make it a thousand times worse by being INSECURE about it... so i'll just have to accept my place as is completely for now. try to play it off... and if a chick objects, just wave bye.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Get a couple gallons of paint and get some good lighting. Go with a minimalistic motif but make sure that the little bit that you have is of good quality.

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

Get a couple gallons of paint and get some good lighting. Go with a minimalistic motif but make sure that the little bit that you have is of good quality.

Make the most of what you have. You do not need to be James Bond in order to fk women. There are some classy women that will date men that make less money than they do. I have a friend that was dating a woman that was a partner at her corporate law firm, and he didn't even have a car or his own place........ he worked at the mall but she saw something in him. He is now dating a doctor.

 

[niceguydying]

This thread made me think of a couple of months ago when I went out w/ this older women, about 10 years my senior. She was the type that was used to better things in life, but was obviously struggling. She has a master degree in something, but I can't remember what and an IQ of 150+. Funny thing was that this lazy biatch was not and had not been working in quite a while. Before we went back to her apartment, I saw her car and it was a brand new Dodge, don't remember the model, but certainly nice enough. She made the following statement in regards to her car,"That car is beneath me." I thought this is one superficial biatch. I will never forget her attitude!!! Never!!! Sure I hit it, but would I want some high maintenance hoe like this, HELL NO!! Not to mention that my middle class a$$ would never jive with her expectations.

I said all of that to say this... Not all women would be this superficial, but they are out there. Here is a helpful tip!!! NEVER SELL YOURSELF SHORT!!! You might be able to land a classy lady, but you would be better with some your equal. Nevertheless, DO NOT SELL YOURSELF SHORT!!! If you have a shot at the high class, do it!!!!

 

[AngelusPUA]

Make the most of what you have. You do not need to be James Bond in order to fk women. There are some classy women that will date men that make less money than they do. I have a friend that was dating a woman that was a partner at her corporate law firm, and he didn't even have a car or his own place........ he worked at the mall but she saw something in him. He is now dating a doctor.

I do not mean those kinds of women, I mean the rich crowd that only hangs out with other members of the rich crowd. There are women that are doctors and lawyers but don’t hang out with the rich crowd it’s like a whole different world, they are people that pride themselves in knowing which vintage wine has come into maturity this year and things like that.

 

[Delta]

thanks guys,

yep. minimalist but nice is indeed what i'm going for.

hmmmm... and just read a little bit on finances on today's bookstore excursion and it turns out i'm in a pretty good position.... my income comes in far beyond my expenses. seems that the middle class burden is an acceptable income with high expenses. i should take my income and do some more (and riskier) investments... ideal time really.

and thanks espi... that's really important - DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY PLACE!!! in fact, do not apologize about yourself period. no insecurity. good stuff.

couldn't agree more about the bathroom. general hygiene and clean sheets and stuff are the rock bottom, BASICS.

and i think angelus is talking about snooty people. they're wealthy, come from the wealthy, live as the wealthy, and is used to the wealthy. and i'm definitely fine with just leaving them be.

i'm with dyingniceguy on that one.

thanks again fellows. i feel a lot better about everything, have a better perspective on things AND i've got a plan of attack on it all. tomorrow is a trip to ikea to take care of my printer/scanner situation (probably the only real eyesore left in livingroom). probably get a bed in a few months.

delta

 

[Driven2Succeed]

angelesPUA is definitely rite..

at the same time u gotta fvck within ur scope too..i mean i am 22 and on a scale with most 22 y/o i am way above the curve.. e-5 in Army in abt 3 1/2 years, should have e-6 in a year or so and then hoping to go Special Forces.. i own a $34,500 dollar subaru wrx sti with 3,000 in mods that i payed off on my own, should have a yamaha r1 here pretty soon, have $60,000 in investments, $1500 laptop, have no debt, and have about 8,000 in my bank account rite now..basically i live like a king and enjoy myself.. i can have whatever toys i want and my lifestyle allows me to do this.. its all relative to ur situation and income.. i'm not bragging or anything cuz theres tons of dudes living a lot better than me and not earning their money serving in Army and overall im living a pretty hard life on the body and mind.. i also envy those people who went straight to college and made it..i think that is awesome, but i wouldn't trade where i am at as far as life lessons and having to make it on my own to where i am now..

however, i do reside in military barracks..which kinda sucks in some ways, but in others its great.. i mean obviously having my own bachelor pad would be better, but i work with what ive got.. my room is about 18x10 i think and it is pretty big..has nice big windows looking out into Hawaii hillside.. this does kinda sketch a lot of girls out, well the barracks thing, cuz its kinda like a college dorm type of environment, but i manage and make it work for me, and that is ultimately whats important..

i just fvck within my limits..like obviously im not gonna be walking up to a 30 y/o lawyer driving a bentley and ask if she wants to come over and hang out and expect her to be like okay!.. but on the other hand if i did hook up with a rich classy girl i'd just make sure we chilled at her place.. but at the same time, i'm not into fine dining and wine..im more into going surfing, bowling, play pool, catch a movie, maybe hit up a houseparty or club, go for a ride on my bike when i had one.. thats what i have to offer at 22.. as far as eating im more into hitting up chili's or ruby tuesdays and eating a good burger and sharing a beer.. thats a good date restraunt in my opinion, but thats because thats what im into, so naturally i go for girls who are on the same level.., if its a 21 y/o college girl wearing a skirt and tite tee who lives in dorms it works.. i mean they are more on my level as far as status goes.. like i said, having an apartment would be nice, but this is what im working with at this point so i make the best of it..

status is everything guys.. dont care what anyone says.. it plays a huge role in the dating and relationship game mostly because whats fun to people in my status bracket would suck for a super rich person..like a girl whos 18-24 would think it was exciting and fun to go out and race in my car or my bike, whereas an older girl would be like "omg, slow down...u need to grow up..etc.. lol" ...my style is like this: im all about a pair of abercrombie shorts and a tee shirt or polo, maybe throw on a beanie or two.. and some flip flops.. i do dress up but even then its like nice pants and a long sleeve collared shirt.. nothing too special.. i think me not having super expensive taste has helped me tremendously financially..

overall, its all relative to where ur at in ur life.. i mean when i am 35 i expect to either be waiting to retire out of military or an established person who is living the good life.. but yea its def relative to ur income.. no doubt about it..

just be comfortable with who u are.. that is everything

 

[Skydiver43127]

No, you can't use that excuse. You've obviously never been blown off by a girl on entering your apartment, or you woulds have said so. I might sound a little obvious here, but... forgeta about your appartment and GO OUT AND APPROACH WOMEN!

 

[Delta]

holy crap, how in the world did you get that much money being in the military? if it's because you get free room and board, dude, that's waaaaaay more than worth it.

also, i seriously doubt any chick would have a problem with the fact that you live in the barracks. it may be spare but it has a CONTEXT that totally justifies... you're military and friggin' spec force in a bit. you're a man with a plan. rock on.

as for skydiver, yah, haven't been blown off... but haven't had that many girls see it either (errr... 1). that's why the questions... don't know what to expect.

but your point is valid and taken. approach i shall.

delta