How can the GOP win back the nation and the White House?

Mike32ct

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Jaylan said:
The Bush name I feel is to tainted nationally. No way Jeb wins. Plus many in his own party see him and his brother as RINOS.
I agree with this. For better or worse, the Repub candidate shouldn't be named Bush.

Yes, there are a lot of Rinos. That goes back to what I said about the GOP being so divided.

The GOP should almost split into two (or more) parties:

1. The Neo-con Rino-ist Corporate Party

2. The Libertarian Tea Party

I would vote for #2.
 

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I'm sure whoever the Republicans run it will be some terrible RINO like Jeb Bush who is for illegal and excessive legal immigration and other bad policies for the middle class and lower class. The Democrat party will do the same thing and probably run that feminist, lesbian Hillary Clinton who will also damage the middle class maybe every class plus a lot of social Marxist schemes and government intrusion into personal rights no sane person couldn't even yet imagine.

It's an old cliché but lesser of two evils..
 

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I've been alive for 14 elections, I've seen the Democrats win 7, and the Republicans win 7.

I think the best chance either party has to win the presidential election is a backlash against the previous party. For example, if people are fed up enough with Obama, that makes it much more likely that there will be a Republican president following him. Just like people were fed up with Bush, so Obama replaced him. Etc, etc.
 

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I'm telling you now that Marco Rubio will win the presidency easily if he's the nominee. The GOP would be MORONIC not to nominate him because Rubio is the guy that can bring enough of the Spanish or minority vote to get the GOP over the top.

The other guys all have baggage (political scandals, perception as extremists, etc), Rubio is clean (at the moment), he's young, he's good looking. He's the man. Americans have staled on Democrats in charge and are ready to elect someone different.
 

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Dividing the nation along economic, sexual, racial and gender lines is the heart of the Dems playbook and they have been very successful at it. Scare a bunch of stupid females that the GOP really is anti-woman (they are dumb enough to believe it). Make a bunch of gays think that SSM is the top Dem priority after the next election. Offer up amnesty for Hispanics. Convince the parasites that they are owed far more by the productive than they are getting now. Make seniors think that their Medicare is in danger…… etc.

The left looks at it this way. They know the percentage of conservative black/hispanisc voters who voted for Mr. Romney is equal to or greater than the percentage of liberal black voters who voted for President Obama.

Thus they attack conservative policies not because they are wrong, but because conservative policies will cost them votes. Currently, Liberals win by suppressing the conservative vote, not increasing the liberal vote. I said currently. Remember, issues like the war on women, minimum wage increase, amnesty, and so on……is first and foremost about suppressing the conservative vote.

Only way amnesty will garner votes for the Liberals is to keep them poor. As minorities become more educated and financially independent, they trend more conservative. Just imagine 11 million, plus those coming in via chain immigration, being kept poor just for votes. I see bad things for the country with that type of policy.

If the GOP really wants to gain traction among these various minority groups, GOP members themselves have got to start working in these communities to foster a culture that aligns with Republican principles.

Republicans have got to get active in these communities and further things which help foster notions of self-responsibility, self-reliance, working to succeed, finishing school, having good workplace skills. That can’t come from the party itself. This has to come from individuals getting active in these communities and supporting students, churches, civic groups, etc. We must first work to expand a culture of independence rather than the culture of dependence that member of the Democratic party work so hard to foster in those communities.

This isn’t something that is going to be done with a marketing campaign of slick ads, this is going to take real work coaching, mentoring, supporting, tutoring people. They need to hear that society is “stacked against them” only of they themselves stack that society against themselves. They need to be shown that they CAN succeed and that someone gives a damn if they do or not.

And this isn’t going to be done by a bunch of old white guys sitting around figuring out what ads to air. It has to be done by people who have come out of these communities themselves and have been successful investing some of themselves back into that community to make a difference.

One of the most despicable things the Democrats do is to foster a culture of despair. They capitalize on fostering a notion that the world is against these people, they are never going to advance themselves no matter how hard they try so there is no sense trying, just demand to be given things as just compensation for the “inequality”. Not knowing how to read is a PERSONAL choice, not a victimization from society. One has to victimize themselves by CHOOSING not to learn to read. This is fostered by Democrats by passing these people though the school system without any skills. And that is just ONE example of how Democrats actively work to create a culture of dependence because they profit from it in the form of votes. That teacher who passed you on to the next grade even though you don’t really meet the requirements is not being “nice” to you. That teacher is destroying your future and setting you up to be taken advantage of.

“Outreach” by the Republican Party is going to require some serious outreach by individual Republicans.


Dems don’t care about moving this nation forward. They just want political power.
 

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the_stig said:
I'm telling you now that Marco Rubio will win the presidency easily if he's the nominee. The GOP would be MORONIC not to nominate him because Rubio is the guy that can bring enough of the Spanish or minority vote to get the GOP over the top.

The other guys all have baggage (political scandals, perception as extremists, etc), Rubio is clean (at the moment), he's young, he's good looking. He's the man. Americans have staled on Democrats in charge and are ready to elect someone different.
All very true. I like Rubio.

But, the liberal media will viciously attack him if he becomes a serious GOP candidate. The media tries to keep a Dem monopoly on women and minority candidates. They purposely keep the GOP trapped in the stereotypical "old white male" box and then exploit that weakness.

The media went easy on Romney and McCain because they were old white guys. But Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, and Michele Bachman were all attacked by the media because they were a threat to the left's monopoly on minority and female candidates.
 

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Mike32ct said:
All very true. I like Rubio.

But, the liberal media will viciously attack him if he becomes a serious GOP candidate. The media tries to keep a Dem monopoly on women and minority candidates. They purposely keep the GOP trapped in the stereotypical "old white male" box and then exploit that weakness.

The media went easy on Romney and McCain because they were old white guys. But Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, and Michele Bachman were all attacked by the media because they were a threat to the left's monopoly on minority and female candidates.
The media is not whats stopping minority groups and women from voting for Republicans. GOP policy, rhetoric, and the behavior of their base is what alienates women and minorities.

Getting a Palin, Jindal, Rubio, or Cain on a ticket will not make people switch so easily to the GOP. The Republicans need to fundementally change the way they campaign.
 

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Jaylan said:
Getting a Palin, Jindal, Rubio, or Cain on a ticket will not make people switch so easily to the GOP.
I actually agree with Flower Boy on this point. Purposely running a minority or woman candidate for the Republican party is nutless and just reeks of "PLEASE ACCEPT US WE ARE ONE OF YOU!!!". Of course, this is not what Gaylan meant, he meant it as a concern troll attempt because PUBLikuns HAVE no footurezz lulzz!!

Anyways, f*ck that noise, grow some balls, find a real leader. Just like the military, none of the real men are involved, they don't even want to mess with the government or politics. They are out doing things for themselves and attempting to make money. That needs to change.

Donald Trump is my suggestion. He's tell all the Wow Just Wow crowd exactly where they could go.
 

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I would never suggest that a non-white male Repub is a magic cure all. Not at all.

I'm just saying that, all else being equal, a non-white male Repub candidate will get worse criticism from the media than a Dem one.
I agree. It sort of exposes the Dems for what they are, but the minorities will continue to vote for them, I guess because they are stupid, I don't know.

I wonder one day if blacks (for example) will wake up and realize, "Oh, sh*t, the Dems/libs have done NOTHING for me except control me with a small entitlement!" It's the rule of thumb for the libs.....help 1% of the group while suppressing the other 99%. So yes, while SOME blacks have been assisted and moved into the middle class, the FAR majority have gone downhill and stayed there. It's the same way with all the races when it comes to socialist policies, makes you wonder about group intellect for the groups that fall for it most easily.

Dems and sh*t-libs make decisions based on exceptions, not the rule.
 

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To answer the thread question directly:

1. Small reduction of skew in single female voters. This is the left's strongest population bloc, skews 65% D. Votes on feminism, family issues, law and order, abortion rights, antiwar, environment. Factors that could swing a small shift? Feminism peaked in the 90s and has plateaued in the US, is getting lots of flack in the grassroots to where it's not the fashionable trendy thing it was in the past. Roe v Wade isn't the scaremonger bait it used to be. Lots of women are making more money, starting more businesses, could become more tax sensitive. Law and order is a wash, no full scale Iraq war to btch about and hasn't been. 5% swing down to a 60% skew here and the GOP wins on this alone.

2. Minorities. No come from nowhere charismatic whitish candidate on the horizon, just ole warhorse Hillary. Blacks voted 95% for Obama. Will they vote 95% for crabby old insider very white very rich Hillary? Who knows, but a 5-10% swing here from the skew could prove very problematic for the left. Will traditional Hispanics and Asians vote in the same skew for ole Hill? No idea at this point, but I wouldn't bet on the same skew as for O in Vegas.

3. White men. Vilified and ignored in Dem politics. Skewing more and more GOP every day, hence 2014 midterms. MANY candidates spent MANY $$ on "women's issue" campaigns and found that they got the same female skew BUT a large male skew against, got whupped. If the Dems run a "war on women" campaign like they did in the 2014 midterms, it could backfire in a big way.

4. Youth. Stupid, callow, will vote for Dems usually, esp if war. We aren't at war though, so again a small skew could corrupt the bloc a bit.

5. Solid Dem blocs will remain the parasitic gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-lawyer-MSM Complex and the somewhat less parasitic directly dependent underclass of all types. This unholy union is always growing, is it growing fast enough to overpower the private sector center? Time will tell.

Basically, the Dems are playing defense of their high skews in key blocs against a growing center disenchanted with leftist ideas or what passes for them. The big center is getting fed up with resentment, identity politics, and the net is shining light on lots of leftist goto favorite lies. Sure, the Dems are breeding voters as fast as they can print food stamps, will this be enough to preserve the skews in their key voting blocs? Time will tell.
 

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speed dawg said:
Hispanics relate better to the Republican party. They just need to be given a reason to vote for them, ie, they need to be to lobbied to.
I've noticed you've said this a few times and usually I agree with you speed . Unfortunately in this case you're way off, the whole "Hispanics relate better to conservatives" thing is a myth. Might want to check this out before you fully commit to that narrative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTXILmKdrjo&t=0m44s
 

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^^Hey just take a look at Bush the Second. I'd have never thought he was capable of doing long division, let alone stealing the presidency.

You'd be very surprised at what money and connections can do, though. He couldn't even win the popular vote in 2000, but he DID have a brother in Florida.

And when 09/11 happened, Bush, curiously enough, found his Redneck niche that appealed to so many bloodthirsty Americans: "Gotta smoke 'em out! Gotta smoke 'em out!" "Gotta get them evildoers!"

If it weren't for 09/11, I think Bush would have likely been out in 2004.

Gerrymandering, PACs...and spreading good old fashioned bullshiat. THIS is how Jeb can...and in my opinion will...make a serious run in 2016.

Who else is there?
Silly little Dem, still bashing Bush as if he were the antichrist.

GET IT STRAIGHT!

Bush wasn't a good president but he was FAR better than Obama.

Maybe you are too little to remember this but this country was WAY better off 6+ years ago.


So bring up Bush all you want...but fact is, he was a better president (despite what Dems and lame stream media say)

You ask what Repubs can do to win the White House? That would take minorities waking up from their brain washed state to see that they are worse off now than ever before BECAUSE of the man they elected
 
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