Hottie I met Sat. night during our convo. says to me, "So, you wanna f*ck me"? Read.

[Jazz]

This is a classic example of unbalanced C&F. It's only C&F if it's both ****y AND FUNNY! If she's laughing and you're not, it's not ****y. If you're laughing and she's not, it's not funny! To effectively use this method, you have to find a good balance between the two.

Also, you should never find a girl later and have to say "I was joking." If she understood that you were joking, then she's going to think "duh." If she didn't understand that you were joking, then you've alienated yourself from her.

By the way, Mystery has proven that it doesn't matter whether or not a girl knows about the community or that you're a PUA. Don't blame the size of the community for the fact that you were outplayed by a girl that called you on your game.

 

[edger]

This is a classic example of unbalanced C&F. It's only C&F if it's both ****y AND FUNNY! If she's laughing and you're not, it's not ****y. If you're laughing and she's not, it's not funny! To effectively use this method, you have to find a good balance between the two.

Also, you should never find a girl later and have to say "I was joking." If she understood that you were joking, then she's going to think "duh." If she didn't understand that you were joking, then you've alienated yourself from her.

I honor everyone's critique here thus far, but I have to say, I still think I played it up good. If I were on the receiving end of it, I would've laughed, really. This chick just apparently has no sense of humor. Like I said, I made it obvious I was messing with her. And like I've said too, I've been even more extreme(if I can even call what I did with this chick extreme) with chix, and it's never f*cked up my game. She is the only woman yet that has taken my playfullness personally like that.

 

[Jitterbug]

I honor everyone's critique here thus far, but I have to say, I still think I played it up good.

Yeah you did well. You got nothing, not even a dance.

 

[edger]

Yeah you did well. You got nothing, not even a dance.

Yeah, by one chick out of so many others I've nailed that I've ran the same game(like I said, even more extreme) on. Jitter, she's the only chick yet that I've come across that has taken my playfulness to a personal level. Hmm, I wonder who the problem is.

 

[Jitterbug]

I know, but she somehow bothered you enough to make a thread about it here. You got headfvcked the way DJs are supposed to do to chicks.

Everyone here has experienced girls who take something we say personally and get offended. Some of them have no sense of humour, some are drama queens, some are at that time of month. Whatever, who cares, man. It's part of the fun.

 

[edger]

I know, but she somehow bothered you enough to make a thread about it here. You got headfvcked the way DJs are supposed to do to chicks.

Put yourself in the same situation, and I'm sure you would've been just AS mindf*cked. It wasn't the easiest call..80% of me was leaning towards her being a d*cktease with no interest..but then the other 20% was like, "well who the f*ck knows".

Well, I've been meaning to say, my question was answered last week when I jokingly repeated the same question back to her. If she wanted to f*ck, she would've said "YES". If she was bold enough to ask me the week prior and expect an answer from me, then she would've gave me a "yes" when I asked her.

Whatever, who cares, man. It's part of the fun.

Totally, but also a big FAT waste of time for me too..lol.

 

[Jitterbug]

Mindfvcked? Nah it'd be game on for me, especially since she was showing off her dancing and I'm a dancer. If she's just being a c0cktease, I'll quit playing and go play with some other girls.

 

[edger]

Mindfvcked? Nah it'd be game on for me, especially since she was showing off her dancing and I'm a dancer. If she's just being a c0cktease, I'll quit playing and go play with some other girls.

I was saying, if you were in MY position, you would've been mindf*cked. No doubt I was mindf*cked, and I have no shame in admitting that, because I know I wasn't mindf*cked due to poor judgement on my part.

 

[SharpGame]

If she wanted to f*ck, she would've said "YES". If she was bold enough to ask me the week prior and expect an answer from me, then she would've gave me a "yes" when I asked her.

So you expected her to assume responsibility for the physical relationship? Maybe some women would, but I would guess 99% of women would never give a direct "YES" if asked this. It would make her accountable. Women don't do accountability. It has to "just happen", like magic, or fate, or some other bull they can pin the blame on.

 

[Interceptor]

Your C and F and aloofness, and indifference were TOO much. You turned her off. Classic case of mis calibrating. You fvcked up further with your "Im lame" comments afterward, that broke your 'frame' and showed you were 'acting' with her all along, you were not genuine, she called you on your BS, and you failed.

Be careful of Damage Control behavior. it is the NUMBER ONE AFC Identifier females try to hone in on.
When you say something C and F, it better be true, if it doesnt work, the less natural men will go into Damage Control, thus, breaking the entire frame they were trying to portray, albeit falsely. Their true character comes out.


First, it appears she DID want to go home with someone, she just wanted to cut the BS, and be direct. Heres one case where a woman WAS being direct and the man didnt see it. So much for men saying women are never direct and tell you what they want from you...
Second, you couldve salvaged the situation later on if you came across as sexually interested. If you were strong enough to show your cards, and realize that its ok to show your attraction to women, and that it doesnt matter if they accept or reject you, they cannot hurt you...you would have done better, because of your expression of Confidence in showing your attraction to her.
When a woman is blunt with you......be BLUNT WITH HER.
You showed her you had too much to lose by admitting you were attracted to her, a sign of insecurity....thus...a total turn off. No going back from there.


Lesson learned.
You couldve had her that night, but you didnt have the security nor the calibration.

Better luck next time.

 

[Vulpine]

Good post, interceptor.

edger, there are some basics here that need revisiting.

Never apologize for who you are.
Never try.
Be proud of your masculinity/sexuality.
Assume the sale.


Now, that being said, there are SooooOOo many other routes you could have went with her "being blunt".

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: "Hmm... (pauses for "thought") I wasn't thinking about it. But... (more thought) ...since you obviously want to so bad, I should consider it."

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: *lol* "You should hope so."

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: "Tonight?"

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: "Can you cook?"

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: *spins her around with hands, checks out her ass, spins around again, stares at chest, leans in for kiss*

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: "Let's shower together first."

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: "Nah... you're a lousy dancer." (with a joking smile and a nudge)

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: "That's a silly question."

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: "Oops! We should be somewhere else, shouldn't we? Let's go."

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: "Okay, fine, but let's be quick about it: I have things to do tomorrow morning."

Her: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"
V: "Uh-Oh! You aren't going to ask me for money now, are you?"

Any and all responses/reactions should have flipped it back on her, been playful/funny, or took the sexual cue as a green light to bust a move. Don't answer that crap with any seriousness, unless it's seriously busting a move.

As it happened, she shook you, and your game crumbled. Stay strong, bro.

This is right up there with the "are you gay?" question I get all the time.

Her: "Are you gay?"
V: "Are you?"

Her: "Are you gay?"
V: *lol* "You should hope not."

Her: "Are you gay?"
V: "Do you want to fu¢k me?"

Her: "Are you gay?"
V: "I'm happy as hell!"

Her: "Are you gay?"
V: "That's a silly question."

Her: "Are you gay?"
V: *spins around with hands, checks out her ass, spins around again, stares at chest, leans in for kiss*

Her: "Are you gay?"
V: "Oh, totally, ask her." *pointing to some chick I was talking to earlier while biting lip seductively*"

Her: "Are you gay?"
V: "Oops! We should be somewhere else, shouldn't we? Let's go."

It's the same sh¡t, different words, dude. If you start off one way, stay that way until another encounter. Don't flip-flop mid-game. Sure, you might be too ****y or too much of a jerk, but stay consistent until the next meeting.

You can always blame your a-holeness on booze if need be.


edger, sometimes it really is blatant invitation.

Once, a woman asked me exactly this: (I'll never forget it, it was too easy.)

Her: "Do you want to come back to my place for a drink?"
V: "Psshff... You don't want me at your place for just a drink."
Her: "No, but you can have one while you're there."

It really is that obvious sometimes. Go with it.

 

[edger]

You fvcked up further with your "Im lame" comments afterward, that broke your 'frame' and showed you were 'acting' with her all along, you were not genuine, she called you on your BS, and you failed.

Be careful of Damage Control behavior. it is the NUMBER ONE AFC Identifier females try to hone in on.
When you say something C and F, it better be true, if it doesnt work, the less natural men will go into Damage Control, thus, breaking the entire frame they were trying to portray, albeit falsely. Their true character comes out.

Like I was saying early on in this thread, the "I'm lame" comment was pure sarcasm/playfulness. It was a joke. And I went on further to say, "Ever try being lame?" I was flipping it around on her, and telling her in a round-about-way that I could care less what she thought of me. The fashion in which I responded to her, communicated that I'm secure with myself. The non-genuine and insecure guy(the one who retreats into Damage Control) would've just shut up after that and gotten quiet, and his whole mood would've changed. His mood change would indicate to her that he was insecure and affected by her comment. That wasn't the case at all with me. I kept strong.

 

[Jitterbug]

Well that was some awesome game. Maybe you can try it again next time she's there. Third time lucky, they say.

 

[edger]

Never apologize for who you are.

Whoa, haven't seen you here in what, eons?..lol. Cool to see ya in on this thread. I wasn't trying to apologize..she obviously mistook my intentions, so I just wanted to clear that up with her by clarifying it was a joke. And when I tried to clarify it with her, I didn't do it in a suck up/"Oh no, I hope I didn't loose you" way. I was being genuine with her, and it had to have showed. Therefore my genuineness, as well as the way I said it(how I was joking with her and how she has no sense of humor), proved that I wasn't doing it out of fear that "I lost her".

Never try

? Not sure what you mean here. If I'm on to you correctly, it sounds like you're saying never to pursue in that initial stage of the first encounter. Everyone's gotta pursue a trifle bit. But a trifle bit is all I'll go during my first interaction with them. When I say I pursue "a trifle bit", I'm saying I pursue just enough to where it keeps the interaction alive and doesn't strip my prize status. I always leave the greater majority of the pursuing to them.

Be proud of your masculinity/sexuality

Oh I am. I embrace my masculinity to the core. Proud to be a man who wants to drag the b*tch back to the cave and plow her cave man style,
Like I was saying early on in the thread, my choice of words came out the wrong way and were likely misinterpreted by her when I said, "I never said that"(in response to her question of whether I wanted to f*ck her). I had to react fast, so I said it that way. Any hesitation would've looked lame and been worse.