Hooters Field Report

[Starman]

Man this chick was hard to crack..and yes I did fail

A buddy and I went to hooters..he needed help with some homework..I needed beer

TARGET: A VERY BUSTY double D..thin waisted canadian (big tits + thin waist = rare) who was studying to be a masseuse

I immediately started out with the C/F ..but it was busy..

c/f:
she had like 3 bandaids on one hand

Me: "Jeezus christ did you stick your hand in a Blender? or get your hand stuck in the cookie monsters mouth??

Her(grabbing my hand, smiling): Ohh My gawd! Did you just call me the Cookie Monster?

Me: Dont flatter yourself, I asked if you were attacked by the cookie monster

(a missed opportunity..because I noticed her eyes light up..and her smile with the cookie monster comment..it was probably a nickname she had among friends)

Eye Contact: in CHECK..I looked her deep in her eyes..she also maintained good eye contact

The hook n bait/story telling:

I had a bandaid on my elbow from being mugged last week(shut up), SO I told her I was mugged, she immediately pulled up a chair, and was enmeshed in my story..she was giving me sympathy nods and VERY interested in the story

The wingman:

My wingman was pretty cool (not becase he was chowing on wings either),

I told her Im helping my friend with some writing for school

WIngman: Yea! Starman is brilliant! One of the smartest guys I know

Her: So , you are brilliant?

Me: Well, I dont like to toot my own horn..but "beep beep!"

The Neg Hit - she had some barely noticeable veins around her eyes..concealed by makeup

Me: Do you stress alot?

Her: (went into some story about stressing alot..then said why?)

Me: I noticed you have stress lines around the eyes (she got a little embarrassed)

The # close:

Me:Hey! you said you were a message therapist right? got a card? I'll trade you 2 psychotherapy sessions for 3 message sessions

Her: well Im still in school so I dont have my cards yet

as the night progressed and I got more tipsy..I began to get more careless..continued the c/f..she kept laughing..and maintaining EC

My "Get them to do you a favor" tactic

Hooters has this deal where every 20th customer gets 20% of their bill..so I pressed on about giving us the 20% discount

she said that was just a gimmick..and they dont really do that for anyone

I payed for the bill, my wingman went to the bathroom..I called her over again and did David D's # closer

Me: hey! you seem like a pretty fun gal, it was fun talking to you but I have to split, why dont you write down your # and I will give you a call sometime

Her: Well....(hesitant)

Me: Dont worry, it will be OK

Her: Why dont you just come back and see me again sometime? (she said she works weekends)

Me: well by then, you should have your mesage therapy liscence and would have to give me your card

She winked,

I took the reciept that read "Thank you Very Much" and changed it to "Spank you very much" , left it on the table..and we bailed

Now every Joe, d1ck, and harry hit on hooters chicks and I really didnt expect to # close..plus no ops for KINO

Ive had luck with Hooters girls in the past (about 5-6)..but only after repeat visits and establishing better rapport

they are generally easy targets with repeat visitors

 

[Julian]

Dude i think you murdered yourself with the toot ya own horn line. That was cheese man, straight up chedder, or even swiss. Either way, it stunk.

"beep, beep"

I saw some movie awhile back where the dude said the exact same thing lol, man the guy was a total loser too. lol

 

[Starman]

Yea that line was from Alex Keaton (family ties)..I said it in a sarcastic tone

and I doubt one line would have killed the whole moment .. the point was to make her laugh and she did

I was interested in applying some of these techniques (kino/cf/stories/ec,etc) all in one sitting (collectively)

the field report was to gauge to see if I could captivate interest in this girl..

besides the subtle kino, full EC, smiles(from her)..she wasnt really the flirty type..she seemed genuinly interested in what I had to say and kept coming back for more..and I noticed she spent more time at our table..then her other ones

I also wanted to break my record of # closing on a hooters girl the first meeting (Ive only succeeded once..and went partying with another while I was in Florida)

but on that note,

the hotter the girl is, the more guys that hit on her asking for #'s, the more likely they will decline

Im not sure if anyone else has ever # closed on a hooters girl the first meeting..but if you have..I would love to hear how you did it

Otherwise..my usual technique is NOT to ask for the # the first time..go in there 2-3 times..make it appear as if you arent interested in her right away..then # close the 2nd to 3rd time

 

[Walden]

That stresslines bit is SO money!

I am so stealing that line!

Good effort!

 

[Starman]

be careful with that one..it verges on the line of insult/neg hit

after I told her that she started getting really self conscious saying "ohh NOO!!! I have wrinkles around my eyes???"

I then said, "not wrinkles, stress lines..most people have them"

then I pointed to myself..and said "See I even have them"

this was a way to force her to look into my eyes .. to establish more Eye contact without speech

heh another moment she was pouring our beers..and our glasses were like 1/2 beer 1/2 foam..

her: Wow! I dont know whats wrong with this beer..it seems like its all foam

Me: Do you know what that foam on top is called?

Her: (smiling)

Me: Its called "head", when beer is foamy on top its said to have great head

she just giggled and kept pouring..she was a bit embarrassed

 

[lynx]

You did pretty well. The only thing is that all women (like this Hooters girl) are afraid of getting wrinkles, so they might not respond well to implying that they might have them. I know it wasn't your purpose to imply that she was getting wrinkles, and you already pointed that out to another member of this forum. Anyhow, you're a gutsy guy.

 

[uniassign]

Good work trying to PU a waitress.

I think you made a lot of AFC mistakes, which is why you failed in getting the number. Here is my take on the situation:

A buddy and I went to hooters..he needed help with some homework..I needed beer

First mistake. Beer and hitting on waitress at Hooters is a deadly combo. You have not distinguish yourself. In her eyes, you are a typcial customer. Once she has put you in a "class" you are no longer a challenge and she will go into autopilot in her responses to your interaction.

c/f:
she had like 3 bandaids on one hand

Me: "Jeezus christ did you stick your hand in a Blender? or get your hand stuck in the cookie monsters mouth??

That's not C&F. It is more misinterpretation. Should have kept it going. You want to set an inside joke between you and her - kind of like a world where only the two of you can understand. This way, you step OUT of the typical customer frame that she has put you in.

The hook n bait/story telling:

I had a bandaid on my elbow from being mugged last week(shut up), SO I told her I was mugged, she immediately pulled up a chair, and was enmeshed in my story..she was giving me sympathy nods and VERY interested in the story

What sort of values are you trying to demonstrate with this story? Do you say you have beaten the muggers? When you have captivate the waitress's interest, you have to demonstrate values FAST.

The wingman:

I told her Im helping my friend with some writing for school

Why did you tell her that? Did she ask you? If she did, then give her playful answers.

WIngman: Yea! Starman is brilliant! One of the smartest guys I know

She can probably tell you two were setting you up.

Her: So , you are brilliant?

Me: Well, I dont like to toot my own horn..but "beep beep!"

Sh!t test there. You will seem lame if you say you were brilliant (given the lead up to her question), and lame if you deny you were brilliant. A more C&F answer is in order here - something like: "Of course I am brilliant. I taught Newtown and Eistein physics etc".

The Neg Hit - she had some barely noticeable veins around her eyes..concealed by makeup

Me: Do you stress alot?

Her: (went into some story about stressing alot..then said why?)

Me: I noticed you have stress lines around the eyes (she got a little embarrassed)

This is not a neg. A neg is a way to devalue her self-esteem hidden behind a compliment. Using your example: You look really intelligent with those lines around your eyes.

The # close:

Me:Hey! you said you were a message therapist right? got a card? I'll trade you 2 psychotherapy sessions for 3 message sessions

Her: well Im still in school so I dont have my cards yet

You have to demonstrate more value to her, or get her curious about something. Otherwise it is not going to happen. Waitresses are a hard game. You must have a really good, compact (5 minute) attraction game.

as the night progressed and I got more tipsy..I began to get more careless..continued the c/f..she kept laughing..and maintaining EC

Hummm, PU whilst drunk is not good.

Me: hey! you seem like a pretty fun gal, it was fun talking to you but I have to split, why dont you write down your # and I will give you a call sometime

Her: Well....(hesitant)

Stealing their frame would have worked here. Accuse her of hitting on you. Every time she does something that could be re-framed as her hitting on you should be pointed out to her.

 

[Starman]

thanks for the response Uniassign, but I have a few questions

#1 This is HOOTERS..there is nothing to do there but drink , eat wings, watch sports and check out the waitresses

How does one set themselves apart from the other guys at a place like this? Not drink or watch the game?

I could tell this chick was a partygirl, that is..they are not the type of upscale mature women who devalue drinking habits..party girls actually rather hang with other party dudes who arent stiffs and know how to have a good time


#2 How do you demonstrate VALUE? by not bragging?

#3 ****y/Funny to me is teasing a girl about something..she had bandaids on her hand..and I did work that angle for quite a bit..I even asked if she massaged people with those bandaids and if she ever mangled anyone's back (I just tried to be short in the 1st posts)

#4 "You will seem lame if you say you were brilliant (given the lead up to her question), and lame if you deny you were brilliant. A more C&F answer is in order here - something like: "Of course I am brilliant. I taught Newtown and Eistein physics etc".
"

isnt this in essence saying you are brilliant? your response to this is a catch 22

The mugging story was tied into her bandaged hands..I had bandaids on my elbows and tied in a story of how I was mugged..then had to fight 3 people before they ran off

I was a little reluctant to tell her the mugging story..but I was experimenting to test for reaction..the result is she was fascinated with the story..but Im not sure if it helped my game overall

 

[uniassign]

#1 This is HOOTERS..there is nothing to do there but drink , eat wings, watch sports and check out the waitresses

How does one set themselves apart from the other guys at a place like this? Not drink or watch the game?

I could tell this chick was a partygirl, that is..they are not the type of upscale mature women who devalue drinking habits..party girls actually rather hang with other party dudes who arent stiffs and know how to have a good time

Party chicks LOVE teasing. You have to accuse them of being bad, trying to PU you, say that they have bad teeth from smoking, misinterpret what they say etc - all with a smile.

You must bust on their mannerism, send mix messages (ie: you are so cute, oh wait your eyes are blue, I can't be with you). You have to ignore them, then be all eager. Negs ...

#2 How do you demonstrate VALUE? by not bragging?

Chicks love to imply things. They look for hidden meanings. When you tell a story, they imply who you are as a person from the story. Eg: one story I tell chicks who love kids is when I watch my little cousin play soccer on the weekend. I describe what my little cousin say, how he acts, how I take him to MacDonalds afterwards, talk to him on the phone etc.

Now, if I straight out tell the girls that I love kids after they told me that they love kids, it would sound contrived. It would be like me trying to qualify myself to them. However, if I tell this story about my little cousin later during another conversational thread eg: when they ask me how my weekend was, they IMPLY that I like kids, without me sounding contrived because I am talking to them about my weekend.

Also this story conveys other values about me, like my family values, my kind heart etc. Make sense?

For waitresses, you must demonstate values FAST. One of the best way is to be sitting with a group of HOT chicks having the time of your/their lives. Use palm readings, cold readings etc. to get the waitress's curiosity.

#3 ****y/Funny to me is teasing a girl about something..she had bandaids on her hand..and I did work that angle for quite a bit..I even asked if she massaged people with those bandaids and if she ever mangled anyone's back (I just tried to be short in the 1st posts)

C&F is about YOU. Saying how you are hot stuff and chicks want you. That's ****y. Funny is when you say the above, but make it in such a way that is funny.

The way you teased the waitress was a bit too tame. Be more bold with your teasing. Misinterpret a bit more - accuse her of having bad hands and the band aids are a way of hiding them. Accuse her of being a princess and that's the first time she washed the dishes, or cooked or whatever.

#4 "You will seem lame if you say you were brilliant (given the lead up to her question), and lame if you deny you were brilliant. A more C&F answer is in order here - something like: "Of course I am brilliant. I taught Newtown and Eistein physics etc".
"

isnt this in essence saying you are brilliant? your response to this is a catch 22

No, it is saying I am brilliant, but exaggering my brilliance. This way she doesn't know if I am playing with her, or whether I am denying my brilliance. But the thing is, by making a statement that she is not expecting, you have demonstrated your wit, which implies brilliance.

 

[ryoshi]

Yeah man, that all was pretty lame. Not trying to insult you or anything but it was lame. You might want to rethink your neg hit theory. Also, if anything, your buddy had the better idea of going there to study. It breaks him away from other guys there and makes him more intriguing especially when you're sitting there force feeding her bullsh¡t the entire time.

First of all. Hooters. Most of the waitresses at hooters (not all of the girls) are very stuck on themselves. In reality, they are preschool strippers. In fact, most of them will end up being strippers later on. I've had horrible experiences with Hooters chicks.

Speaking of strippers. Strippers are much easier (and often hotter and more down to earth, of all things) to date. Strippers are not usually as stuck on themselves because if they show their private areas, they've usually gone through the humilty and disenchantment phase that most hooters girls don't go through.

It's possible to get the Hooter's girls but it's not worth the trouble. The one that I was "talking to" ended up wanting to cheat on her husband with me. Not top calliber women we're talking about here. (And no, I did not partake in adultery with her)

 

[Starman]

ryoshi,

pretty lame huh? thats some impressive constructive criticism

what part of it was lame? the ****y funny part? The fact that she kept coming back to the table to talk to me? the fact that she laughed at mostly everything I said? or the fact that she was asking questions about me (i.e. where you from? what kind of work do you do?)

The neg hit/insult I agree was a bit overboard..but it created the effect I wanted..to make her feel that I dont put her on a pedestal like everyone else..Most chumps at hooters are very generous with compliments..and blowing smoke up their a$$es

I GUARNTEEE you if I had met this chick at a party or a bar..I would have # closed

Uniassign was right when he said..you need to set yourself apart from the 100's of other guys who ask for her # in one shift

That is, you have a short time to really WOW a waitress who is being hit on by 5-6 other guys every hour for 8 hours (thats a total of 35-40 guys who hit on her in one shift)

I like to take on Hooters girls because they are a challenge..especially # closing on the first meet

How many do you have under your belt?

 

[ryoshi]

what part of it was lame?

the ****y funny part? You might want to review what ****y and funny is because you were neither.

The fact that she kept coming back to the table to talk to me? She's a waitress. They do this. Waitresses like tips.

the fact that she laughed at mostly everything I said? She's a waitress. They do this. Waitresses like tips.

or the fact that she was asking questions about me (i.e. where you from? what kind of work do you do?) She's a waitress. They do this. Waitresses like tips.

 

[Starman]

bahah Ok ryo****su, since you were sitting with me there all night..its great to know that you can sit behind a computer and be able to decode with your mental jujitsu what was funny..****y...and what was just patronizing for tips

like I said Ryu,

I have had success with HOOTERS women with repeat visits..but am trying to tighten my game on 1st meet # closes

and those 5-6 # closes I did do..the girls acted the same way..they laughed at my c/f, spent more time at our table then other tables, were inquisitive, and even brought free drinks a few times.

its easy to sit their and judge someone's attempts as "lame"..then not offer anything as far as reccomendations or tips

are you hear to learn and share experiences? or project your own past failures on to someone else?

 

[ryoshi]

Originally posted by Starman
bahah Ok ryo****su, since you were sitting with me there all night..its great to know that you can sit behind a computer and be able to decode with your mental jujitsu what was funny..****y...and what was just patronizing for tips

I'm guessing you were trying to say ryosh¡tsu which just goes to prove my earlier allegations of you being lame. Of the many ways you could have gone to insult me, you chose that. Bravo.

I know what you said because you told us. Sure, we couldn't see your winking and repeated shots aimed at her with your fingers shaped in the classic gun style but the idea was there.

I hope you're attractive enough to make up for your slow wit.

Also, if she gave you free drinks, it's nothing to be proud of. Coke refills are complimentary.

 

[Starman]

you have proved that you have nothing to contribute here but hate

slow wit? hardly Kung Pao Master

you are just miffed at your own past failures ..
like I said..deal with your own issues..Im here to learn

now do you have tips on hooters girls or not?

 

[ryoshi]

slow wit? hardly Kung Pao Master Again. Bravo. I am once again humbled by your amazing drollery. I'm sure she was also impressed with your clever "spank you very much" receipt modification as well. *Beep beep*

you are just miffed at your own past failures I never said I failed with them. I've actually succeeded with many. I just said that most hooters girls are substandard. Stuck on themselves with sh¡tty morals. You should only have to neg hit a girl so much before it becomes unhealthy.

now do you have tips on hooters girls or not? If you really find them that stimulating I suggest learning how to be ****y and funny. What you think ****y and funny is actually isn't. Learn to be aloof and laid back, not all in her face trying to overwhelm her with your "****y and funny" techniques. You might also want to be more nimble with what you say. Ask her about herself and act interested without seeming phony. Stay away from talking about yourself.

 

[drixsa]

like many starman posts it starts off with a valid purpose or point and ends up a flame war amongst two people (or more)

the thing is that it is quite hard to judge a situation that you werent there for espically when you dont know the person

ive always said that you can say anythin (and get away with it), its just how you say it and how you come off

from what ive read of starman he is filled with C&F and it works for him

the truth is that he did a little above par and i have confidence that if he were to go back again that he could number close if not more

i too live in chi-town (well at least for the next couple days) and i would probably never go there unless it was a b-day or somethin

but in hte future if im lookin for the stereo-typical dumb blond it seems like an easy enough place to work it

starman i think the only thing that may be holding you back is that you "game" doesnt seem to be 2nd nature

if you do read his original posts of this thread you will see a pretty good PUA at work

the only real question ive had with you, starman, is why do you take the bait so easily when someone makes a comment (and a stupid one at that)

it shows a certain immaturity that is not needed and probably holds you back

 

[Starman]

Aloof and laidback?

interesting theory..defies logic a bit..she is a waitress..approaches a table with 2 guys..

my friend who is a shy , quiet type..equal in looks..was aloof because he was shy..but he was laid back..and talked once in a while

she wasnt too interested in talking to him..

and you are contradicting yourself..how do you be aloof..and then show "genuine interest" in her and talk about HER?

Im not sure what your scorecard is on Hooters chicks..but most get tables with AFC's buttering them up on how beautiful they are and try to # close..Ive heard seveal conversations..and been told by waitresses I dated how that was a instant turnoff

but more importantly..the guys acting aloof and uninterested...were just dismissed IMMIEDIATELY because

#1) they have hundres of guys hitting on them weekly..so some guy with a piss poor attitude really didnt make a difference in their lives

#2 They said they liked meeting guys who had some action/adventure/different than the others kinda way..that got them interested

ya gotta remember man..your have 2 hrs TOPS to make some type of attraction ( depending how long u spend there)..when you are gone..she wants to remember you as "the guy who got mugged", "the guy who has a 7" tongue"..not the guy who "sat there all night..aloof..distant..and nothing to say"


edit: drixa..#1 beer..#2 Im always a sucker for a verbal joust..when a legit topic becomes a attack..rather than help..I somehow blip into goofy mode

sh1t if u are ever in cago again lemme know

 

[Evil-Rom]

Originally posted by Starman
be careful with that one..it verges on the line of insult/neg hit

after I told her that she started getting really self conscious saying "ohh NOO!!! I have wrinkles around my eyes???"

I then said, "not wrinkles, stress lines..most people have them"

then I pointed to myself..and said "See I even have them"

this was a way to force her to look into my eyes .. to establish more Eye contact without speech

heh another moment she was pouring our beers..and our glasses were like 1/2 beer 1/2 foam..

her: Wow! I dont know whats wrong with this beer..it seems like its all foam

Me: Do you know what that foam on top is called?

Her: (smiling)

Me: Its called "head", when beer is foamy on top its said to have great head

she just giggled and kept pouring..she was a bit embarrassed

That made me smile.

GOLD!

 

[duke007]

I don't understand all this criticism.

Personally I think what Starman did was brilliant, not many guys would have the skill or balls to do what he did.

Who cares if those examples were not textbook c+f/neghits. They had the desired effect of making her take notice of him so what difference does it make?

And of all the places to PU, Hooters must have an extreme degree of difficulty.

keep it up