Hookup Culture

[Zarky]

Zarky I'm surprised you have been in the community what for 15 years? have you ever went out with a another guy thru the game?

Oh dear god no, I don't want to meet any of these PUA shmucks.

Zarky it's not hard to belive at all. I got a wing who has banged 200+ chicks all through cold approach.

That's great, and assuming all that is true, I'm not doubting that some guys can bang a lot of chicks.

What I'm doubting is that there's a "hookup culture."

It doesn't surprise me that the average practitioner on RSD gets laid far more then the average practitioner on SS. On RSD you'll be hard pressed to see threads about feminism, POF, hypergamy or anything like that.

That I'd have to agree with.

Also if you wanna read a legit blog u can't go wrong with krauser, the guy has banged tons of hoes. He's not good looking but a lot of his bangs are high tier women.

I'll check that out.

 

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Also if you wanna read a legit blog u can't go wrong with krauser, the guy has banged tons of hoes. He's not good looking but a lot of his bangs are high tier women.

What the hell are you doing ya dimbulb? Don't fvck up krauser's blog by sending zarky over there. Have you seen zarky's earlier work as "thumpy" posting on game blogs? Mind you, having said that I'm pretty sure Krauser deletes blue pill sh!t so his incessant "Yall hate da wyminz" probably won't last anyway even if he does venture over.

What I'm doubting is that there's a "hookup culture."

There's not enough facepalm to even cover this.

 

[zekko]

• Either a small proportion of men are getting laid like gangbusters relative to the rest
• Guys are getting laid a lot more than they admit....or
• Girls are getting laid far less than they admit.

Or, most likely, all three are true.

I like the way you put that first bullet point. I do believe that the 80/20 is essentially true - that 20% of the guys are doing 80% of the fvcking. But as you point out, this is relative to the rest. It doesn't mean that the other 80% of guys aren't getting laid at all - they're probably getting laid here and there. They're having some occasional successes, they're just not rolling in it like the top guys.

Then there are the bottom guys (maybe the bottom 20%?) who can barely get laid at all. But the middle 60% (or so) are living fairly average lives. They're not pimps, but they're not virgins either. Sometimes the manosphere makes it sound like the top 20% of guys are the only ones who ever get any, and that certainly isn't true.

 

[CollegeLife]

On my experience, the view of hookup culture as in a world where 80% of girls in college constantly hooking up 20% of guys over 4 years and traded like a bunch of cards didn't seem to quite fit. I always kept doubt as perhaps they are just hiding as an elite 20% go through 80% of the girls. But it is just not what I saw.

However, I did saw a comment and it does fit with my experience much more closely in college. This is quoting a comment from a blog called lionoftheblogosphere (one of Heartiste's linked blogs) who he was posting about NYT article about hookup culture.

The article is a dubious exaggeration . . .classic NY Times modus operandi of finding a few people who talk to their reporter and then extrapolating wildly to suit their point.

At any ivy league institution you have several main categories of girls social circles, most of whose cultures are NOT like what the article describes: Broadly you have:
- The aspiring business/legal elite the article talks about
- Athletes
- Aspiring academics
- Social justice / feminist activists
- Artsy people
- Asian Americans
- Foreigners
- Science and pre-med circles
- Old school girls (the classic WASP elite, 2nd or 3rd or more generation ivy grads)
- Black affirmative action admits who keep to themselves
The ratio among the groups varies among the institutions – Brown has fewer wanna i-banker girls and more artsy people, etc.

The phenomenon the article is about is mainly found in the future business, type A crowd and the athletes, who are a fairly small part of total ivy league populations (Penn is probably something of an exception due to Wharton, and the fact that the scholarly or artsy girls would prefer to go to a more congenial school)

Most of the other groups are not racking up notches and chasing down hot guys – they live in their own small social circles and have a mix of long term relationships and casual flings in their own social circle. You have promiscuity among the ivy league artsy crowd, but it has none of the cost-benefit analysis crap the article gets into – it’s just the standard artsy affairs that have existed wherever there are artists and girls who like them.

The idea that the article captures the median ivy league girl’s perspective at any point in the last 15 years is ridiculous . . . .

In my experience, that sounded about right. He applied to only Ivy League, from my experiences in my school (private, but not quite Ivy League) and understanding from friends in other schools including state schools is just a different mixture of those types of circles. Depending on the circle, so affects the mixture of casual flings or relationships. As the quote above referred about, the business type who hookup amongst themselves with a cold calculation. Meanwhile other circles have much less in degree or more in degree.

 

[Solomon]

They are complaining because of the inherent hypergamy that causes them to miss out on women who should be of their same league in a perfect monogamous social system. Because the top man can command more than one woman in some way (e.g., Donald Trump getting yet another young fertile woman after divorcing his last one, etc.), the lesser men must so with an even lesser woman - with of course, the lower rungs being virtually shut out. :cuss:

I guess but didn't Pook already address how we can beat the system 10 years ago

How quickly we forget

:crackup:

 

[Bokanovsky]

I lost my virginity at 16. By the time I was 16 I was having sex 1-2 times a month on avg. NOt a hell of a lot but enough to see that sex was possible. Wasn't going out of my way to have sex, wasn't a huge part of my life but i was doing it.

And there were girls I couldn't get with, one in particular that once i started to make a little money did a double take.

But the day my life / view point on game really changed was the day I woke up and put on my size 32 jeans and they were a tad too lose. I remember thinking "damn". then i ran and looked in the mirror and was like "wow **** lol I'm hot". I was about to turn 21.

I THOUGHT i was good looking growing up. I was pretty much. But man, the difference in how you are treated by women is night and day. There was a point a few months after I turned 21 i had probably 10 female numbers in my phone and could have honeslty ****ed all 10 of them if i so chose. I'm not even talking about having unreal game i'm talking about women just going out of their way to flirt with you.

I never knew women could be like that. Girl i was head over heels for would find reasons to just pop up at my house now to chill with me. I'd go tot he mall and the cashier would ask me if I had a girlfriend. I'd look at a girl in the eye and she'd give me the up and down look and smile like "yeah nigga i approve come talk to me". I had never had a girl ask one of my friends to hoook them pu with me until this time in my life.


My game, its good. But it's not light years better than most here. I just learned my lesson and stay in perstine shape. If you've never been in "abs" shape if you've never had a square jaw line, you have no clue how nasty the avg woman can be.

In short there def is a hook up culture but its an exclusive club.

There are three things that are certain in life: death, taxes and backbreaker making posts on sosuave about how good looking he purportedly is. You have to wonder if this guy humps the mirror every morning.

 

[zekko]

Depending on the circle, so affects the mixture of casual flings or relationships.

This is a very good point. The circles I was observing in this thread were young partying single types who all hung out together (with a few young married people thrown in who were looking to cheat on their spouses).

But there are many other circles I know where people are married and stay faithful to their spouses (at least for the most part), and they may hang out with other married couples, or other couples of the boyfriend/girlfriend LTR variety. I've pointed out before in other threads that the dating attitudes where I live vary wildly from very promiscuous to very settled down. So it's reasonable to assume that the type of thing I was observing in the original post exists mainly in pockets - certain segments of the population. Probably large segments, but segments nonetheless.

 

[backbreaker]

There are three things that are certain in life: death, taxes and backbreaker making posts on sosuave about how good looking he purportedly is. You have to wonder if this guy humps the mirror every morning.

sorry for partying bro lol

my point being that in my experience guys who are "hot" are apart of the hook up culture. My point being that guys saying that there is NOT one (hookup culture) aren't apart of the club.

How does one know this? I always come back to how I have hooked up with many taken girls, the majority of whom were always considered "good quality girls".

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I thought about this before and the conclusion that I came to is that It's not the act of having sex with another man that pisses guys off, it's everything else that comes with it; women aren't men women can't give 2 men attention at once. **** most men can't lol. if a woman is screwing around she's neglecting something at home. rather it be sex, childcare, finances, something. but more than anything with the sex comes the loss of feelings / love that the person feels for their husband at home.
I mean if mrs backbreaker is taking joe to the park and meeting up with mr x at the park and giving him blow jobs in the park bathroom and is able t come home and still be totally devoted to me and our family and doesn't rub it in my face, **** it lol. she's doing a damn good job of it if she is. But we all know that women don't work like that.; the tale tell sign of a woman cheating is that a woman stops putting out or doesn't feel like it or starts making arguments with you so that you can get mad at her so she can have a reason to leave the house, **** like that. women just can't leave cheating at getting extra ****, because for women it's not about the **** in the first place

I'm not going to go out and test this theory out tomorrow but if i had random sex with a girl i just met today and it was a ONS, ro if i paid a hooker to have sex with me and just left it at that, she wouldn't like it, i'd be in the dog house for a while, she'd cr, we'd fight.. but she wouldn't leave. not if it's just sex and she knows it's just sex i know my wife. if i had an AFFAIR on the ohter hand she'd kill me. the thought of me thinking /romancing another woman for her would be too much. it's not the act of my penis going inside another woman's pee pee

 

[HoneyHitter]

I mean if mrs backbreaker is taking joe to the park and meeting up with mr x at the park and giving him blow jobs in the park bathroom and is able t come home and still be totally devoted to me and our family and doesn't rub it in my face, **** it lol.

LOL, watch out BB you're slippin here

 

[Solomon]

Anyway, my point is that blue-pill men will NEVER be able to recognize a good girl and their opinion on who is and isn't one is meaningless. Red pill men are slightly more aware, but many are not much greater because they still have it ingrained into their heads that to recognize this reality is somehow misogynistic.

Now, I am not saying every girl out there cheats.....but I stand fully by my statement that those out there who say "I know my girl doesn't cheat" I say.....bull$hit. You don't know. People believe lies for two reasons......they want it to be true, or they are afraid that it is true. And this is exactly the reason why many men tell themselves that she is not or would never cheat. They are too weak to face the reality that yes, she can cheat and you may never know it.

Is it safe to say then that guys like Roosh and Playherman are right that it's pointless to get into a relationship?

Whats the best screening process or criteria then for finding a faitfull women besides looking to Russia or China?

Or am I being Paranoid here?

 

[zekko]

$hit, I have a 22 year old just LAST WEEK who lives with her bf of three years and is practically begging me to go for drinks with her this Tuesday. Yeah I gamed her, and have been doing so for the last several months, mainly to stay in practice. She was a tough nut to crack but now here she is, chasing me. By all accounts, she is the nicest, sweetest, total quality girl-next-door type.

I think practically anyone might cheat under the right circumstances, man or woman. Some are more likely to cheat than others. I would never rule out the possibility of a girl cheating on me, although I think I've had pretty good luck so far. I think I'm a pretty good judge of character. I think you can tell a lot about a woman by how she interacts with other men.

But you're right, you can never tell for sure. But at the opposite end of the spectrum, I've read posts from guys here who claim that EVERY girl is cheating. I don't think that's right either.

Danger, it sounds like you've put a lot of time and effort into bedding that "taken" woman.

 

[cordoncordon]

Now, I am not saying every girl out there cheats.....but I stand fully by my statement that those out there who say "I know my girl doesn't cheat" I say.....bull$hit. You don't know. People believe lies for two reasons......they want it to be true, or they are afraid that it is true. And this is exactly the reason why many men tell themselves that she is not or would never cheat. They are too weak to face the reality that yes, she can cheat and you may never know it.

There are still good women out there. Women who would not cheat no matter the opportunity that presented itself. The trick of it all is to get them so into you, that the thought of cheating and losing you scares the **** out of them.

I can 1000000000000000000000000000% X infinity say that my fiance has not ever cheated on me. I can say this as sure as the sun rises in the east every morning. One, because that is just the kind of girl she is. You would have to know her. Two, because she has never in the 4.5 years we have been together ever gone out at night without me. And three because we do pretty much everything together. We live together. Lift weights together. Go out to bars and restaurants together. Vacation together. Play golf together. Bowl together. In fact there is not a time, other than when I am with friends-which even then much of the time she is with me, that we are not together.

And ya know what is funny about all of that? For the ONLY time in my life after having endless amounts of gf's and flings, I can honestly say I love it.

 

[Solomon]

There are still good women out there. Women who would not cheat no matter the opportunity that presented itself. The trick of it all is to get them so into you, that the thought of cheating and losing you scares the **** out of them.

I can 1000000000000000000000000000% X infinity say that my fiance has not ever cheated on me. I can say this as sure as the sun rises in the east every morning. One, because that is just the kind of girl she is. You would have to know her. Two, because she has never in the 4.5 years we have been together ever gone out at night without me. And three because we do pretty much everything together. We live together. Lift weights together. Go out to bars and restaurants together. Vacation together. Play golf together. Bowl together. In fact there is not a time, other than when I am with friends-which even then much of the time she is with me, that we are not together.

And ya know what is funny about all of that? For the ONLY time in my life after having endless amounts of gf's and flings, I can honestly say I love it.

Sounds like you got your girl on lock like a PIMP

Yeah I would be worried if I had a girl and she had "Girls night" every weekend

 

[cordoncordon]

Sounds like you got your girl on lock like a PIMP

Yeah I would be worried if I had a girl and she had "Girls night" every weekend

Thanks my man.

Yeah I have been with girls like that, not many, but a few. And it just isn't worth the stress and aggravation. Nothing wrong with girls going out on a girls night out now and then. But when it happens on a pretty regular basis? Pretty big red flag.

 

[zekko]

Two, because she has never in the 4.5 years we have been together ever gone out at night without me. And three because we do pretty much everything together. We live together. Lift weights together. Go out to bars and restaurants together.

Well, she could be having a nooner with somebody, I mean anything's possible. But you're right, the kind of lifestyle a girl leads greatly affects the opportunities and inclination she has to cheat. There are risk factors, in other words. Weekly girl nights out, business trips out of town, and use of alcohol can greatly increase the chances of infidelity. If a girl doesn't drink at all or crave the nightlife, that's a big boost in her favor in my book.

 

[cordoncordon]

Well, she could be having a nooner with somebody, I mean anything's possible. But you're right, the kind of lifestyle a girl leads greatly affects the opportunities and inclination she has to cheat. There are risk factors, in other words. Weekly girl nights out, business trips out of town, and use of alcohol can greatly increase the chances of infidelity. If a girl doesn't drink at all or crave the nightlife, that's a big boost in her favor in my book.

Haha yes, anything is possible. But I am never so sure of anything in my life in regards to her commitment to me. One thing, that may or may not be a factor (and I know how many threads there are about foreign women compared to American women) but she was born in Taiwan and moved here when she was 6 or so. So she has the old world values along with the culture of the USA. I would say that is a factor in her being the way she is.

 

[mrRuckus]

of course the continuation of the decay of morality sex and hooking up will become easier

What decay of morality? In the US???

Pratically everyone is on board with letting gays get married and they're quick to attack anything they even deem close to racist. The violence rate these days is incredibly low.

Just what decay of morality are you talking about? That people aren't gung ho about marriage and banging only one person anymore? Is that really even a moral issue?

Your grandparents were the evil ones being ridiculously racist and having world wars.