Hooked up with an Ex on Friday, now she's testing me

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As a scientist, and with this singular opportunity, I decided to conduct an experiment once I started started figuring out game. I'm not sure there was a future with this ex-girlfriend, but she's always gotten in touch month after month, even when I was acting like a beta. I figured that if you always get based on what you've always done, what if you start to change things up? Call it a real New Years Resolution.

We briefly dated summer 2012, long enough for me to chase her away. Then again in early 2013. The sex was fantastic and she definitely had strong feelings for me. After she dumped me in early February, she eventually got engaged to another guy, but broke it off this past fall. She started contacting me again, but we went back and forth via text and thus she really never felt like she had to see me. She stood me up once and I told her not to call or text again. A month later, beginning of December, she got back in touch. My semester finals were approaching and I told her she'd have to wait. Yet I made mistakes and kept on texting her during finals. When they ended,I called her, and later that night she texted me telling that she didn't think it was worth pursuing. I got butthurt and told her she was "such a fool."

Here's where things get REALLY interesting.

Two days later I ran into her on the street while out for a night with friends. I set up a date for the day after Christmas, and she even texted me later that night telling me I looked good and that she was looking forward to it. I texted her in between running into her and the date and she ended up cancelling. She claimed that she was heading home to California (earlier than her original flight) and apologized. I decided that rather than to remain silent or do a takeaway like I've always done, I came up with something extremely high value that I was going to be doing the next day if we hadn't gone out and told her that it works out because I had that extremely high value thing come up anyway. She ate it up and told me she was bummed about the date and would contact me when she was back in town in January.

Here's the case study.

Last year, at New Years, I texted her at midnight. She responded immediately by text from her family's trip. I texted her again on January 4th and we went back and forth, me asking her questions. I repeated every few days. When she was back in town she scheduled a date. We went out, had fun, and ended up back at my place for sex. We only saw each other for a few weeks because I'm sure I overpursued but I can't remember the play-by-play. I know I double- and triple-texted a lot.

This year at New Years, I was silent. On January 7th, she texted saying she was thinking about me, hope I had a great New Years, and "to say hello." I reciprocated and told her to let me know when she was back in town. She couldn't wait and three days later she let me know her availability for this past weekend to catch up and have a drink (MLK Day weekend). I told her, "On Friday, grab a bottle of wine and head over to my place and we'll make dinner and catch up." She agreed. I was silent until Thursday, and I confirmed, and then later on that evening she asked me "Red or white wine?" I said, "Surprise me." She came over, we made dinner, caught up, had fun, and had sex. She left and texted "Thank you" and I responded "My pleasure" and she said Goodnight.

Two very different scripts to get me to the same place in roughly the same amount of time, when a month ago she said she didn't see anything worth pursuing. Of course this year was a whole lot less effort. As it is I don't think pursuing her at all would have worked this year because of all my beta moves. That's scientific proof that your material works.

Here's my question. I let Saturday pass without contact. Midday on Sunday, I texted "Hey! I want to see your sexy smile again. When are you free this week to get together?"

30 hours later, she finally responded. "Sorry for the delayed response. I believe I'm free on Thursday and Saturday."

I said, "No worries hon. Meet me at X time at X place on Thursday. Looking forward to it!"

A couple hours later, she says, "Would you please permit me to be a bit blunt with you?" I found this odd, because this is over text, and where else can people be more blunt than over text.

I say, "Of course, I want to hear everything you want to say. If something's bothering you, why don't we talk in person on Thursday. Or you're welcome to call me and tell me about it."

She waits until this morning to respond. "Yes we will talk in person, it's nothing too important. I did realize looking at my schedule I have plans Thursday I forgot about. I will text you asap when I know I am actually free"

I respond, "Thanks for letting me know! Well I'd love to see you when you're free, so yeah, check your schedule and get back to me. Have a great week!"

I'm comfortable walking and never looking back. I'm just trying to figure out whether she's testing my masculine core, she's butthurt because I didn't reach out the day after sex (even though she texted me on her way home on Friday and I thought that was a good place to cut it off after responding), or she's genuinely not interested in anything else. From this girl's pattern, if there were anything final she were going to say to me, she'd definitely say it to me rather than drop off the face of the earth and she has ALWAYS kept lines of communication open.

I also think that maybe now that I've reached out after the date she feels a little more self-assured like she can take her time to respond, and lean back, and knows more where she stands with me. How long does it typically take (hours, days, weeks???) for a woman to realize that if she doesn't reach out, she's never going to hear from me again? I will say that the longest we've gone without contact since I saw her in December to Friday when she came over is 9 days.

My own take is that this is different from her past experience with me because last year I was responding to her posture and now she's forced to respond to mine, and she doesn't like it at all. I'm centered, non-reactive, and willing to walk away, and she's just testing me with nonsensical drama. But I'd love some advice.
 

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You are thinking bout her to much bro. You are the prize remember that! She can pick you up and drop you at the drop of a hat. You've already proven that much already. That being said, get dem plates-a-spinning and not your head!:up:
 

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First off: I'm not typically a guy that champions getting back with a girl that's dumped you. Odds are, if she did it once she's going to do it again, so you're actually better off pursuing other interest.

WITH THAT SAID...

The reason you've f'd this up in the past is because you start off doing the right thing - going NC and waiting until she hits you up - but as soon as you two link up you're back to contacting her and chasing her all over again. No bueno. In your head you're thinking "gee, now that I've got her back she's going to WANT me to contact her so we can meet up again." It doesn't work this way. Think about how you two hooked up again: you left her alone, she eventually contacted you, and you met up and had sex.

You have to ask yourself, "Why did this work?" 2 reasons: (1) no pressure from you makes her feel more relaxed about the situation, and (2) you not contacting her plays on her ego. Notice how she contacts you when she hasn't heard from you in a while? She goes from thinking "whew, glad I got THIS clown to finally stop calling me and begging for a date" to feeling (note: I said "FEELING" this time, not thinking) like: "Gee, he hasn't tried to call me - I wonder if he still finds me attractive? Maybe he's out chasing other women which is why he's not contacting me? Hmm... maybe I should hit him up..."

It's stupid, I know, but this is how the game is played: you need to STOP contacting her. I have found in my own past that once me and a girl break up, if I leave her alone and don't contact her for a period of time, 3 times out of 4 they will eventually hit me up. So what do you do? You talk to her, agree to meet up, have sex with her... then go radio silent again. Make HER be the one that has to call you. TRUST me on this - if you don't call, the hamster wheel in her head will be turning like crazy, and she'll have no choice BUT to call you up again if she wants to see you. And she WILL call you - so long as you're not looking too over-eager by calling her all the time.

Also - in the event you actually DO get this girl back, same thing, man. You make sure SHE does most of the calling. The phone should only be used to set up dates, no random chit-chat. Oh, and you also need to stop calling/texting her between dates - the part where you hit her up on Thursday to make sure she shows up on Friday? No bueno - assume the date is going to happen once you make the plans, and don't contact her again until you see her on the date. "But what if she flakes?" Great, then you know you're of no importance to her, and you've saved yourself some time. But yeah, the constant contact is where you're losing her, man - just stay calm, have faith that she'll hit you up, and in the meantime keep on hollering at other chicks - until you have this situation in the bag, assume there are better options out there.

Hope this helps!
 

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This is absurd.

Anytime a man feels the urge to write an essay this long about some stupid b!tch.. he should have someone kick him in the balls until that urge goes away. :yes:

Jesus Christ.. this is just obsessive.

Remember --> If you care more about the relationship than the woman.. you have lost the game. Accept defeat and start fresh with a new woman (preferably several new women).

Once you try to reverse a woman's lost interest it makes you desperate. You are making it clear that her value is higher than yours. Highly beta.

Normal men pursue and accept rejection when it comes. Faggots chase and use rejection as motivation to "try harder". :crazy:
 
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Okay, let's recap.

I have only initiated one text since we had sex on Friday. If that's a mistake, fine. If you follow the text exchanges, I sent one text on Sunday, then waited for her to get back.

Then she got back to me with her availability. I set a date. Then she starts texting me other nonsense and I don't take the bait. She cancels and I play it cool.

How exactly am I chasing?
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

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Again, if you read my post, I am only using the phone to set up dates. Nothing else. She's trying to bring up other stuff but I made an end-run back to our plans.
 

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Everything coming from her side after "she dumped you" that wasn't "hey I made a terrible mistake, the worst in my life, no idea what I could have been thinking. I am so very sorry, is there any way we could try again?" is extraneous detail.

You are currently a placeholder IMO. There are other men in the picture in all likelihood, and she knows you are a safe, accepting branch to hang out on when her super fabulous social life isn't just absolutely perfect for her. Up to you if you can handle that and just enjoy casual NSA while it lasts, but I suspect that as much detail as you give that the best course for you is to move on entirely and cultivate other more fresh options. Good luck.
 

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Stugots26 said:
Here's my question. I let Saturday pass without contact. Midday on Sunday, I texted "Hey! I want to see your sexy smile again. When are you free this week to get together?"

30 hours later, she finally responded. "Sorry for the delayed response. I believe I'm free on Thursday and Saturday."

I said, "No worries hon. Meet me at X time at X place on Thursday. Looking forward to it!"

A couple hours later, she says, "Would you please permit me to be a bit blunt with you?" I found this odd, because this is over text, and where else can people be more blunt than over text.

I say, "Of course, I want to hear everything you want to say. If something's bothering you, why don't we talk in person on Thursday. Or you're welcome to call me and tell me about it."

She waits until this morning to respond. "Yes we will talk in person, it's nothing too important. I did realize looking at my schedule I have plans Thursday I forgot about. I will text you asap when I know I am actually free"

I respond, "Thanks for letting me know! Well I'd love to see you when you're free, so yeah, check your schedule and get back to me. Have a great week!"
Agree with what they say above.. but this highlighted part is even worse. This whole text exchange made me cringe. You seem so perky and accept that she ignored you for 30 hours. It's almost as if you're grateful that she's even responding. Then you go and wish her a great week, etc. Just see if she wants to meet. If not, she can counter with a meet up time. If she doesn't counter, just go find other hotter, more fun girls. She'll ask to see you again if she wants to.
 

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Seriously, any guy that goes crawling back to a chick that dumped him deserves what he gets. Do you think that everything is going to be hunky dory again? She's gonna keep you around like a yo yo on a string puling you up and down when she wants. each time she gives you a little attention you're going to keep running back to her. Lose this broad, it ain't healthy for you to be playing mind games her. You will always lose.
 

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She has low interest and you care too much. When you get with her, it will be on her terms, not yours.
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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looks like you've been watching too many Corey Wayne's videos.. what are you getting out of your experiment?
 
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First of all, the reason the post is so long is because I thought it was an interesting analysis. Obviously if I did one thing wrong, it was to text her for another date. A mistake I won't make again. Has it cost me some time? Possibly. In the long run, though, it won't be too long.

Secondly, how am I crawling back? She's the one who has always reinitiated. If anything, she's crawling back to me. And I'm not too prideful to think that the way it will happen is that she'll pursue me once. And then again, and again, and again.

And even if I don't wind up with her, she's great to practice on. To see the effect of pursuit vs. being pursued. And I got some amazing sex out of it.

Try reading those texts a little differently. Read them like you're saying them to a 5 year old. Sarcastically. Because that's how they're written. With just a little hint of f**k you very much for good measure. I'm also not burning any bridges, and she can't accuse me of anything. It's disarming, she has no ammunition.

If you can't tell, I'm being that nice on purpose. It's to disarm her. She is TRYING to move me off center. She's trying to provoke me, to test my mettle. But nothing she's doing is working. And it's frustrating to her. My old responses of getting butthurt or lashing out or any insecure response are gone.

She delayed her response to get a rise out of me. What did I do? I walked and never looked back.

Her next move? She fake-cancels on me to see how I'll respond to it (I'll show him...). I was polite and upbeat, and accepted it, and went about my business. I neutralized her, took the wind out of her sails, and walked away and never looked back. I'm training her to react to me. Me? I'm centered, in control, an unmoveable mountain. She's the wind blowing against me. I only text once each time in response to her texts. Then I walk and never look back. And the proof is in the pudding - she always boomerangs back when she thinks I've walked away because she's expecting me to cave and pursue her in some way.

Last night, again - after another day and a half - "When are you free?!" Notice the punctuation. She's starting to panic when she hasn't heard from me because I'm off doing whatever. I let it go overnight this time, and I respond with availability several days out. Now she expects me to try to rope her back into plans for Thursday or Saturday. Nope - she lost that opportunity.

"Hey, great to hear from you. I can do X or X (6 or 7 days out). Let me know."

Then I'm gone again. Polite as if to a little child, then I walk away.
 

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most of the stuff on this site is good advice but every situation is different. There are chicks who like beta guys etc. You have to gauge how much she likes you and how much you like her. NC is typically way to go. However if you think the girl still likes and there are some exteunating circumstances how you broke up you can hit her up after a few months with a simple, how are you text? If she ignores you, then you know where you stand but if she replies and is chatty and says she missed you then you know she still has feelings for you and she is not entriely over you. Knowing this, you need to take it slow and not scare her off...she will probably thinking of you....
 

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Stugots26 said:
As a scientist, and with this singular opportunity, I decided to conduct an experiment once I started started figuring out game. I'm not sure there was a future with this ex-girlfriend, but she's always gotten in touch month after month, even when I was acting like a beta. I figured that if you always get based on what you've always done, what if you start to change things up? Call it a real New Years Resolution.

We briefly dated summer 2012, long enough for me to chase her away. Then again in early 2013. The sex was fantastic and she definitely had strong feelings for me. After she dumped me in early February, she eventually got engaged to another guy, but broke it off this past fall. She started contacting me again, but we went back and forth via text and thus she really never felt like she had to see me. She stood me up once and I told her not to call or text again. A month later, beginning of December, she got back in touch. My semester finals were approaching and I told her she'd have to wait. Yet I made mistakes and kept on texting her during finals. When they ended,I called her, and later that night she texted me telling that she didn't think it was worth pursuing. I got butthurt and told her she was "such a fool."

Here's where things get REALLY interesting.

Two days later I ran into her on the street while out for a night with friends. I set up a date for the day after Christmas, and she even texted me later that night telling me I looked good and that she was looking forward to it. I texted her in between running into her and the date and she ended up cancelling. She claimed that she was heading home to California (earlier than her original flight) and apologized. I decided that rather than to remain silent or do a takeaway like I've always done, I came up with something extremely high value that I was going to be doing the next day if we hadn't gone out and told her that it works out because I had that extremely high value thing come up anyway. She ate it up and told me she was bummed about the date and would contact me when she was back in town in January.

Here's the case study.

Last year, at New Years, I texted her at midnight. She responded immediately by text from her family's trip. I texted her again on January 4th and we went back and forth, me asking her questions. I repeated every few days. When she was back in town she scheduled a date. We went out, had fun, and ended up back at my place for sex. We only saw each other for a few weeks because I'm sure I overpursued but I can't remember the play-by-play. I know I double- and triple-texted a lot.

This year at New Years, I was silent. On January 7th, she texted saying she was thinking about me, hope I had a great New Years, and "to say hello." I reciprocated and told her to let me know when she was back in town. She couldn't wait and three days later she let me know her availability for this past weekend to catch up and have a drink (MLK Day weekend). I told her, "On Friday, grab a bottle of wine and head over to my place and we'll make dinner and catch up." She agreed. I was silent until Thursday, and I confirmed, and then later on that evening she asked me "Red or white wine?" I said, "Surprise me." She came over, we made dinner, caught up, had fun, and had sex. She left and texted "Thank you" and I responded "My pleasure" and she said Goodnight.

Two very different scripts to get me to the same place in roughly the same amount of time, when a month ago she said she didn't see anything worth pursuing. Of course this year was a whole lot less effort. As it is I don't think pursuing her at all would have worked this year because of all my beta moves. That's scientific proof that your material works.

Here's my question. I let Saturday pass without contact. Midday on Sunday, I texted "Hey! I want to see your sexy smile again. When are you free this week to get together?"

30 hours later, she finally responded. "Sorry for the delayed response. I believe I'm free on Thursday and Saturday."

I said, "No worries hon. Meet me at X time at X place on Thursday. Looking forward to it!"

A couple hours later, she says, "Would you please permit me to be a bit blunt with you?" I found this odd, because this is over text, and where else can people be more blunt than over text.

I say, "Of course, I want to hear everything you want to say. If something's bothering you, why don't we talk in person on Thursday. Or you're welcome to call me and tell me about it."

She waits until this morning to respond. "Yes we will talk in person, it's nothing too important. I did realize looking at my schedule I have plans Thursday I forgot about. I will text you asap when I know I am actually free"

I respond, "Thanks for letting me know! Well I'd love to see you when you're free, so yeah, check your schedule and get back to me. Have a great week!"

I'm comfortable walking and never looking back. I'm just trying to figure out whether she's testing my masculine core, she's butthurt because I didn't reach out the day after sex (even though she texted me on her way home on Friday and I thought that was a good place to cut it off after responding), or she's genuinely not interested in anything else. From this girl's pattern, if there were anything final she were going to say to me, she'd definitely say it to me rather than drop off the face of the earth and she has ALWAYS kept lines of communication open.

I also think that maybe now that I've reached out after the date she feels a little more self-assured like she can take her time to respond, and lean back, and knows more where she stands with me. How long does it typically take (hours, days, weeks???) for a woman to realize that if she doesn't reach out, she's never going to hear from me again? I will say that the longest we've gone without contact since I saw her in December to Friday when she came over is 9 days.

My own take is that this is different from her past experience with me because last year I was responding to her posture and now she's forced to respond to mine, and she doesn't like it at all. I'm centered, non-reactive, and willing to walk away, and she's just testing me with nonsensical drama. But I'd love some advice.
Stug I am going to tell you exactly where you screwed up. Don't worry, we have all done it at one time or another.

So anyway, you realize around NYE of this past year that you need to stop chasing her. Good for you. And what happens? She starts chasing you, setting up a date is easy with little effort, and you have a fun time on the date along with sex. Great! You did very well.

And then........?


You reverted right back to your afc ways.

First you text I texted "Hey! I want to see your sexy smile again. When are you free this week to get together?"

Not only did you contact her first, not only did you ask her out, but you buttered up to her as well with that sexy smile comment. So the very things that worked for you the weeks leading up to this, you failed to do and instead did the exact opposite.

Secondly, you then come back with these texts in response to her texts.


I said, "No worries hon. Meet me at X time at X place on Thursday. Looking forward to it!"



I say, "Of course, I want to hear everything you want to say. If something's bothering you, why don't we talk in person on Thursday. Or you're welcome to call me and tell me about it."


I respond, "Thanks for letting me know! Well I'd love to see you when you're free, so yeah, check your schedule and get back to me. Have a great week!"


Every reply you made there was again, the opposite of what you should have said. Calling her 'hon'. Saying you are looking forward to it. Acting as if what he says is SO important when it is just the ramblings and inane thoughts of an attention *****. Telling her how much you would love to see her AFTER she broke yet another date. Wrong wrong wrong my friend.

You should have stuck with the plan. Not texting her. When you do talk over text its brief, to the point, and not giving her any supplicating behavior.

Here is the thing about her. She likes you. She will get sex from you when she is horny and there is nothing better available atm. But she is not THAT INTO YOU. That is why she is so flaky. Why she treats you this way. She wants to like you more. I am sure of that. But for whatever reason, she just doesn't. And yet you keep allowing her to reel you back in over and over and over.

I can absolutely promise you that this will go on as long as she is available. She will do enough just to keep you hooked, but she will never reel you in. And your emotional and mental state will suffer as a result. So imo you have two options to protect your sanity. Either distance yourself emotionally, let her contact you only, and have sex with her and expect only that.....sex. Nothing more. And she will probably do that with you until she finds someone she really likes and then she will disappear. If you cannot handle that, then I highly rec breaking all contact, going no contact, and moving on. That would be my choice if I were you. I know its tough. I know the heart wants what the heart wants. But it is just not going to happen bro. At least long term.

Good luck
 

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Condoncondon - All of what you said would be true, but she's gone from contacting me every month to every week, to now contacting me every 36 hours or so. There's only been one day in the last week where there has not been contact.

Again, I am not initiating. I am only responding. If I should stop with the verbose responses I will. But I think I've got a read on this chick. She's expecting me to act butthurt. Instead I'm acting like nothing she can do affects me.

The best response you can give someone who is trying to rile you up or screw with you is that it doesn't bother you. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm not responding to her bait. I'm no longer initiating.

Why is she so suddenly desperately asking "When are you free?!" Because she sees me not pursuing her. It's that simple.
 

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This is absurd.

Anytime a man feels the urge to write an essay this long about some stupid b!tch.. he should have someone kick him in the balls until that urge goes away. :yes:

Jesus Christ.. this is just obsessive.

Remember --> If you care more about the relationship than the woman.. you have lost the game. Accept defeat and start fresh with a new woman (preferably several new women).

Once you try to reverse a woman's lost interest it makes you desperate. You are making it clear that her value is higher than yours. Highly beta.

Normal men pursue and accept rejection when it comes. Faggots chase and use rejection as motivation to "try harder". :crazy:


Solid gold.
 

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Ok here's the go. There are a lot of excellent suggestions here being made for the wrong reasons. The important thing here is that she wants to have sex with you occasionally. If you enjoy having sex with her and you can control yourself emotionally there is no reason why you can't do this. If you don't care why she is doing it then stop reading now. If you do, read on.

Let me illustrate with a story. I have a friend that I have sex with sometimes. When I came back briefly from a holiday she contacted me and hit me up for drinks. We went back to my place on a flimsy pretext and had sex. The next week I ran into her and she acted all clingy which was annoying because there were other girls for me to hit on. She got angry and I got annoyed and left. The next day I got a phone call with some whiny crap so I offered to meet up and chat. She flaked on the meet up and then announced an engagement on facebook to a guy she had been talking about. I congratulated her on her engagement and went ghost. About a month after we had sex the previous time she contacted me again to say goodbye before I went overseas. We went back to her place on a flimsy pretext and had sex.

Note the timing. There are a few days of the month when a girl will simply have sex with you without any of the whiny crap they usually pull when they know they are only good enough to be a FB. The other days of the month they will carry on about relationships, about how much of an a**hole you are, and play silly games. This is where the other posters are completely correct in telling you to not pursue her and to ignore her silly games. This way some other guy gets to cop all the whiny bullsh*t.

By only having sex when she pursues you most you are making sure you are not her primary branch, that is, the one she will cling to if she gets knocked up. You are maximising your genetic advantage without the disadvantage of ending up as the poor shmuck raising someone elses kid. If you do suddenly and unexpectedly find yourself as the primary branch, and she has a kid, get a paternity test.

Since you are a scientist, you will find that these three books are interesting and tell you everything you need to know:
-The Selfish Gene
-Sperm Wars
-Sex At Dawn
 
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