Hollywood is Pushing For More Homosexuality

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Hollywood takes gay roles out of the character closet

By Jim Beckerman

The Record (Hackensack N.J

You better not make any remarks about Gay Perry. He'll kick your butt into next week.

"You think that's funny? I'm gonna break your nose now," says Perry (Val Kilmer) to his bumbling straight pal Harry (Robert Downey Jr.) in "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang," a buddy-buddy detective movie with a double twist: Not only are the buddies gay and straight, but the gay guy is a two-fisted macho man, while his straight partner is a comic klutz.

And if you like gay detectives, how about gay cowboys ("Brokeback Mountain," opening Dec. 9)?

And if you like gay cowboys, how about gay soccer players ("Guys and Balls," opening in May)?

And if you like gay soccer players, how about a gay deaf white man and his African-American partner who are adopting a child ("The Family Stone"?

Ready or not, here come the post-gay movies. And audiences do seem to be ready.

Ready for movies where the characters are not merely gay — which used to be as much reality as mainstream viewers could take. These characters are gay-hyphen.

Such characters have turned up occasionally in supporting roles in the past (James Gandolfini as a gay gangster in "The Mexican," The Rock as a gay bodyguard in "Be Cool"). Now, they're center stage.

"Having a character be gay in a movie just isn't shocking anymore," says Shane Black, writer-director of "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang."

" 'Will and Grace' and 'My Best Friend's Wedding' have softened us up with regards to the funny gay character," Black says. " 'Well, all right, he's gay, but they're so funny, those gays.' And I thought, that doesn't really cut it. We still haven't seen the heroic gay character that, when the chips are down, kicks down the door, shoots everybody and saves your butt."

Whether these post-gay characters are also post-stereotype is open to question.

Gay Perry is a tough hombre who can slug his way out of a corner, but he also has a cellphone that plays "I Will Survive."

And the soccer players in "Guys and Balls" are a collection of gay "types": a leather guy, a flamboyant guy, a hunky guy, a nerdy guy.

But considered strictly as a barometer of audience attitudes, these films may be a kind of advance.

They suggest that mainstream viewers, by and large, no longer find gayness shocking or exotic enough to be of interest on its own. Like plain coffee, it has become humdrum. Hence the need for add-in flavors.

"People know gay people now, so it's not so much used for shock value," says Mark Reinhart, spokesman for Regent Releasing, which is distributing "Guys and Balls." "It's more like this makes for interesting textures, or layers."

Regent and its sister company here!, a gay TV network, have been pioneering a new market: gay genre films.

While some of the movies they make or distribute are more traditional like "Summer Storm" (a gay coming-of-age film) and "April's Shower" (about a lesbian relationship), they have also released niche films like "Hellbent" (a gay slasher film), "Eternal" (a lesbian vampire flick), "Freshman Orientation" (a gay "Animal House") and the TV drama "Tides of War," about a gay submarine captain. Some have had crossover success.

"Fangoria (the horror cinema magazine) did whole pieces on 'Eternal' and 'Hellbent,' " Reinhart says. "They were reviewed in every single mainstream paper in the country. It tells you there is a wide variety of interest in the film-going audience."

In "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang," Black exploits this new audience savvy about gay life.

"There is a lot of reality versus fiction in this film," Black says. "Like in reality, the tough guy is gay. In reality, you try to be the hero, you're going to get clobbered. So much of this was trying to stand the clichés of the tough guy movie on their head."

The real breakthrough film may be "Brokeback Mountain," based on an E. Annie Proulx short story about gay cowboys (Jake Gyllenhaal, Heath Ledger) in Wyoming in the early 1960s. This film, which has gotten excellent buzz, exploits neither the gay nor the cowboy element as a "twist." Both are natural to the story and the characters.

"What it really points to is the rural gay experience," says Damon Romine of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. "When you look at television and film, it often seems like being gay is a big-city experience. But it's an international experience, no matter where you live."
WTF?? I used to love going to the movies. Now you can't go without being brainwashed.

Hollywood is really pushing this Homosexual agenda on everyone.

They are stripping away masculinity. What better way to do so then replace tough masculine rules such as police officers, cowboys and sports athletes and replace them with homosexuals.

I bet you they are probably going to allow young teenagers to see this movie in order to increase the chances of men becoming more desexualised and cross over to the other side.

I think I am going to go and stand next to that bearded crazy guy next to the subway station holding a card written : THE WORLD WILL END SOON"

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i fail to see the brainwashing.

the world is full of gay people. and not like flaming fay people, but people who you'd never guess were gay.

so movies with regular characters who are gay? great. doesn't bother me.

what are you afraid of, that you're gonna see one of those movies and be like "wow, i wanna go suck some c0ck?" :crackup:
 

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Originally posted by Egoist
i fail to see the brainwashing.

the world is full of gay people. and not like flaming fay people, but people who you'd never guess were gay.

so movies with regular characters who are gay? great. doesn't bother me.

what are you afraid of, that you're gonna see one of those movies and be like "wow, i wanna go suck some c0ck?" :crackup:
I believe what DJDamage meant by brainwashing was that it is to make it so that homosexuality is a norm or it's acceptable.

Then again, I don't see any problem with that either.

It's kind of similar to violence in movies or sex in movies. Some might be offended, others don't see an issue with it.
 

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Originally posted by Silverback82
nobody "crosses over to the other side" by choice
I wouldn't say cross over completley. But they become an androgynous bisexual. For a young man who is still trying to come into grips with his own sexuality.

Look at females. Why is it those days so popular for them to be bisexual slvts?? Why has this force only have come in the last 10 years?? It was easier to get women to accept this because they are more easily brainwashed.

We already have metrosexuality on the rise. Its hard to distinguish a gay guy with a feminine metro. The behaviour is pretty much the same. You get kids brain washed early enough to accept homosexuals sexual acts as acceptable and it will be the same thing. That is what happens to kids who were sexually assulted by older homosexuals. They can never have a normal relationship with another woman and most of them turn homosexuals themsleves because their brain didn't have time to develop and accept natural sexual instincts.

Our society is slowly turning into androgynous beings with no distinct features between masculine and feminine behavioural traits.

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Originally posted by DJDamage
I wouldn't say cross over completley. But they become an androgynous bisexual. For a young man who is still trying to come into grips with his own sexuality.

Look at females. Why is it those days so popular for them to be bisexual slvts?? Why has this force only have come in the last 10 years?? It was easier to get women to accept this because they are more easily brainwashed.

We already have metrosexuality on the rise. Its hard to distinguish a gay guy with a feminine metro. The behaviour is pretty much the same. You get kids brain washed early enough to accept homosexuals sexual acts as acceptable and it will be the same thing. That is what happens to kids who were sexually assulted by older homosexuals. They can never have a normal relationship with another woman and most of them turn homosexuals themsleves because their brain didn't have time to develop and accept natural sexual instincts.

Our society is slowly turning into androgynous beings with no distinct features between masculine and feminine behavioural traits.

DjDamage

drop the metrosexual/homosexual bull****. to me saying that we are only now experiencing a metrosexual boom says that you have no understanding of society or history or psychology.

there have been guys/apes/animals who cared about their appearance forever. you think its bad today?

Men like that existed throughout history. Look it up.

Saying that homosexuality is unnatural is just as bad. Hell, in a way western civilization takes its root in cultures that were grounded in bisexuality and never questioned who you wanted to be with, men or women or both. (both Rome and Ancient Greece, as well as Egypt, Persia and other empires were like that)

And thats besides the fact that homosexuality is genetic, natural, and occurs in all kinds of flora and fauna regardless.

seriously, what is it with all the insecurity? if you know you like women, who cares what others do/wear/watch/etc?
 

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My brother watched the movie

See No Evil, Hear No Evil

it was a buddy film with a blind guy, and a deaf guy. He was brain washed by it and took his eyes out because he wanted to be like one of the leads.

I can see this tripe turning someone elses brother gay..

Lets start a petition.
 

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Why is it those days so popular for them to be bisexual slvts?? Why has this force only have come in the last 10 years??
The answer simple. A little homosexuality is in everyone, its social repression is being weakend at this time, first for the ladys, now for men.

There are more obviously gay people not because people are getting brainwashed, but because its becomming more normal so potentially homo- or bisexual people feel more inclined to "come-out".
 

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Actually people were way more gayer in the good old days. Like men would have long hair and wear facial powder, and prance around in tight-fitting pants.


On a slightly related note, why does Hollywood always depict Nazi soldiers in a bad light?
 

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If theres a reason for it in the storyline i really dont mind seeing gay characters in movies, as long as they are not faggots (flamboyant, loud-mouth fairies).

If i saw that queer eye guy with the blonde mullet and big nose i would beat his fvcken face in with a shovel.
 

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Originally posted by Levex
If theres a reason for it in the storyline i really dont mind seeing gay characters in movies, as long as they are not faggots (flamboyant, loud-mouth fairies).

If i saw that queer eye guy with the blonde mullet and big nose i would beat his fvcken face in with a shovel.
Unless it's comedy and their making fun of the character.
 
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i saw a documentary once on "holywood" which made me stop watching as much tv as i used to. It's funny haw a bunch of mentaly desturbed people are controling the society.

I personaly don't care one way or another about gay people (as long as they arn't sitting in a stall jerking off when i walk into a bathroom). If you don't bolive that society can turn people gay, just look at our generation. We sure arn't as masculent as our grandfathers. Turning bunch of AFC into fags or bi's shouldn't be a problem in the next few generations. It's really sad. Where are the men who used to jump in the midle of buffalo herds armed with only a sharp stick
 

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Originally posted by Rec_rejection_phobic
We sure arn't as masculent as our grandfathers.
We also appear to be less literate than our grandfathers.

Where are the men who used to jump in the midle of buffalo herds armed with only a sharp stick
They were killed by the buffalos.
 

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^ And that my friends... is progress. The guy watching was like, "Maybe, if I made a spear I could throw...."

These social conspiracy theory threads make me giggle. If you allow something you see on television or film to effect your personality or way of thinking, then you're an idiot... plain and simple.

Let Hollywood do whatever it wants to... don't like it? Then don't go see the movie, plan and simple. I guarantee you if Brokeback Mountain doesn't do well, you won't see **** like that again.

And another thing, obviously homosexuality and bisexuality are not affected by the media, movies, or television... ask the Romans, the French, the Egyptians, the Chinese, Sodom & Gomorrah... I could go on and on. And last time I checked, none of these societies had televisions.

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Originally posted by Egoist
drop the metrosexual/homosexual bull****. to me saying that we are only now experiencing a metrosexual boom says that you have no understanding of society or history or psychology.

and you do?? Lets hear "THE EXPERT"

Originally posted by Egoist
there have been guys/apes/animals who cared about their appearance forever. you think its bad today?
There is a difference between caring to one's apperance and obssessing with one's appearance

Originally posted by Egoist
Saying that homosexuality is unnatural is just as bad. Hell, in a way western civilization takes its root in cultures that were grounded in bisexuality and never questioned who you wanted to be with, men or women or both. (both Rome and Ancient Greece, as well as Egypt, Persia and other empires were like that)

And thats besides the fact that homosexuality is genetic, natural, and occurs in all kinds of flora and fauna regardless.
A) I never said Homosexuality was not un-unatural, Its there for some reason.

B) Notice how all those ancient civilizations were destroyed one way or another?? the new civilizations who were rebuild after have stopped this practice all together.

C) Homosexuality is not genetic. There has never been any proof that it is, it is only an assumption (you are just regurgitating what the popular culture tells you and you accept that as a fact.)

Originally posted by Egoist
seriously, what is it with all the insecurity? if you know you like women, who cares what others do/wear/watch/etc?
Its not about me or you. Its about society as a whole who are constantly told to evaluate our behavioural and change according to what the media is saying. You don't think the media television is brainwashing you to believe and accept things?? just because popular culture tells you its right does not make it so. Things like this that end up destorying familes and societies as a whole. You put little kids in front of the t.v and they will believe everything once they grow up to be adults.

Tyler Durdan "Fight Club"
- "Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. "

- "We're consumers. We are by-products of a lifestyle obsession. Murder, crime, poverty, these things don't concern me. What concerns me are celebrity magazines, television with 500 channels, some guy's name on my underwear. Rogaine, Viagra, Olestra."
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
Actually people were way more gayer in the good old days. Like men would have long hair and wear facial powder, and prance around in tight-fitting pants.


It was a different time, different culture, and fashion styles were different then. Now, it seems out of place to dress like that, but back then it was the norm. They would probably think that we dress like shyt if they could see the types of clothes that we wear in this time.
 

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So, you guys are so weak-willed that a few ads on TV will persuade you and alter your entire lifestyle?

Hey listen, I've got some moon land you might be interested in...
 

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