Ho into a housewife?

[DEKKA]

I know a lot of you guys like to get laid. Perhaps it's with a different woman every week. I dunno. I know some of you are looking to have fun while you're young then settle down. Maybe a few of you are just looking to find somebody to marry. I think a great deal of you don't ever want to get married at all because they don't see any benefits to it. (I'm seeing less and less)

For the most part of my life (up until about a year ago) I was what you would consider "very religious". I was a virgin by choice and turned down multiple opportunities to get laid because I figured I was gunna wait till I got married cuz thats how I believed. Last year I quit my church and have basically become not-religious (although i am still a virgin i dont think i can claim its by choice anymore because i think i would if i really cared enough about a woman)

I've dated quite a few women and had my share of girlfriends, but one issue keeps popping up in every one of them. Most of them have been experienced with sex before, but when they find out that I'm a virgin, it's like they think im judging them and they all of the sudden become goody goody girls. It's like they want to fvck but don't wanna be seen in that way by a virgin. I'm very open about my sexuality and don't hold back anything anymore when I'm into a chick. But I't seems like all these chicks with experience somehow change and try to come off as a saint (and its stupid cuz i see right through it).

Lately I've been thinking about losing my virginity and just start having fun while I'm young like all my friends are and maybe settle down later if at all.

or

I could make a committment to really wait till I got married.

Only problem is, if I choose the second one why would I want to marry one of these women whos been around the block a bunch of times already.

I know I want a faithfull wife and I know I wouldn't have a problem staying with her if I loved her. But, I just can't get excited about marrying anybody that doesn't consider marriage anything different from the steriotypical bf/gf pseudomarriages i see all the time.

I'm confused as fvck, a little saddened because I don't think there's anybody who really wants to wait, and feeling like maybe I was born in the wrong century.

Maybe I have hangups about sex and it's clouding my perspective and making chicks self-confident. I realize its just sex. But why should I pay retail price for a woman that has been giving it up wholesale all her life?

 

[Kodiac]

I used to feel like that...

But then i started thinking 'Life is too short!' & im only young once!

Live ur life like there is no tomorrow. Enjoy the time you have, do what you want to do.

Don't live in the past, live in the moment...

 

[prosemont]

Ask yourself why you are putting so much emphasis on sex. Why are you equating sex with faithfulness or fidelity? Aren't the two completely separate?

Here's what I mean and I'm going to get right to the bottom of this: let's say you got married and your wife had sex with another man. Let's say that 1. diseases and pregnancy are not an issue and 2. that she loves you and is not going to leave you for this man and 3. that it is just a physical need that she has and is not emotionally based whatsoever.

Can we assume these three things? I know you are getting hung up on #3 because you ASSUME that sex is an emotional event or that it SHOULD BE. I'm telling you that it AIN'T ALWAYS THE CASE. When you masturbate, are you emotional with yourself about it? No. If, hypothetically, you went to a hooker, would you be emotional about it? No.

I'm telling you it is also possible to have sex with a woman (or a woman with a man) and have it be COMPLETELY physical without emotion. I'm certain many guys here can verify this.

So you can see how sex can be without ANY emotion, right?

So, why are you tying them (sex and emotions) together SO TIGHTLY?

Now, let's get back to my hypothetical where your wife is having sex with another man. (And no, I'm not a swinger, just trying to make a point.)

If your wife were to have sex with another man with the three premises I stated, WHY EXACTLY would that bother you? Don't tell me about the bonds of marriage and God and religion. Reach deep inside and tell me WHY IT WOULD BOTHER YOU.

When you can identify and resolve that question, you will have figured out much of this for yourself.

 

[DEKKA]

See the thing is. I've always associated sex with love. Perhaps love is just a bunch of chemicals and all but I'd still like to believe in it. If I can't believe in it then it seems to makes life less interesting. If everything is just a biological function and theres no actualy connection or love there then maybe everything you say makes sense. I'm not even saying it doesnt make some sense to me.

To answer your question, given the hypothetical things you pointed out, I would be angry at somebody I was in a committed relationship with when she cheated on me because we would have been using sex as an expression of love for that time and when she went and did that with another man it would make me feel like there wasnt anything special about "us".

Bottom line, if sex isn't about love then we should all stop associating them, myself included. But, in this society it seems like we want sex to just be sex while we're having fun then we want to to solidify the bonds of a relationship later on. How can that happen? How can you swictch gears like that and not be so easy to ditch the person you're with when the going gets tough.

I see no point in spending the rest of my life with any woman unless shes got something different to offer. I'm sure you guys have all heard about how basically worthless most white american girls are for marriage... why do you think that is?

As the old saying goes, "why buy the cow if you're already getting the milk for free?" gotta be some truth to that isn't there?

If sex is just sex whats the point of marriage and all the responsibility that goes with it? Kind of makes it just a piece of peper huh.

Maybe it's different for men than for women. (the book The Red Queen discussed how men can be in love with multiple partners, but women have a hard time with it)

I'm not saying I'm not gunna go start getting laid a lot... which i probably will... it's just that once I do I don't think I'll hold sex in the same reguard as i do now. Maybe that will destroy the barriers I have set up and allow me to better relate to women who arent virgins... but maybe i'm right for waiting.... who knows anymore.... society if fvcked up thats all i know. and its sad to me

 

[prosemont]

Originally posted by DEKKA
See the thing is. I've always associated sex with love.

Maybe you should reconsider this association. I've already pointed out ways it is not love. Moreover, you should reconsider your definition of love. Those chemicals are part of INFATUATION and are not even love. The best definition of "love" I've heard is the conscious decision and actions where you decide to care deeply about someone and their welfare.

I'll give you another example, let's say someone's c0ck falls off or you get into an accident and you can't have sex anymore. Does the fact that you can't have sex anymore mean that you can't love or be loved? No. Love has nothing to do with sex.

In addition, because you have great sex with someone, does that mean that they "love" you or that you "love" them? This is pure AFC thought and the reason why so many guys get burned because they think that because a woman is having sex with them, the woman must "love" them or even "like" them. Wrong. Sex can be emotionless. It doesn't MEAN that someone likes you or loves you. (It might mean that they like having sex with you, but that is different than liking you yourself.)

This reminds me of that scene in the movie Vanilla Sky where the woman says to Tom Cruise "don't you love me?! You fvcked me four times last night! I swallowed your cvm!!"

Sex has nothing to do with love. Or even liking someone.

we would have been using sex as an expression of love for that time and when she went and did that with another man it would make me feel like there wasnt anything special about "us".

Two things here:

1. Sex is sex. Love is love. As simple as that. Don't get them confused. Sex is a bodily function and, yes, endorphins are released in your brain that make you feel "good." That "feeling good" is NOT love, however.

2. The thing that would be special between a husband and wife IS THE LOVE. The connection, the bond, the deep caring about each other. It could be that you have great sex together and that could be a common activity that you both really like, but to say that without sex there wouldn't be anything special is ridiculous. And yes, that is what you are saying.

Bottom line, if sex isn't about love then we should all stop associating them, myself included.

Agreed.

But, in this society it seems like we want sex to just be sex while we're having fun then we want to to solidify the bonds of a relationship later on. How can that happen? How can you swictch gears like that and not be so easy to ditch the person you're with when the going gets tough.

It can happen and does happen every day because those bonds are not about sex. Those bonds are about choosing to love someone and care deeply about their welfare. It's not because you are having sex of whatever frequency and quality. It is for this reason that people are able to have sexual partners before they meet that special someone they actually want to spend the rest of their lives with and why those sexual experiences before they met that special person are irrelevant.

I see no point in spending the rest of my life with any woman unless shes got something different to offer. I'm sure you guys have all heard about how basically worthless most white american girls are for marriage... why do you think that is?

That something different will be that she loves you in the definition I've given you. And, I have not heard that most white american girls are worthless for marriage. I have heard that there are many insecure american guys, however, who can't handle american women. (I'm no feminist, btw, I think all women are cvnts, but not for the reasons you think of american women this way.)

As the old saying goes, "why buy the cow if you're already getting the milk for free?" gotta be some truth to that isn't there?

That is true and it actually proves my point. That saying illustrates a perfect example of sex being sex and not being related to either love or commitment. In YOUR world, because you are having sex with a woman, you MUST love her and therefore be committed to her and her to you. Not true!

If sex is just sex whats the point of marriage and all the responsibility that goes with it? Kind of makes it just a piece of peper huh.

The "purpose" is the partnership, the decision to make a life-long bond of caring for one another deeply, no matter what.

Maybe that will destroy the barriers I have set up and allow me to better relate to women who arent virgins... but maybe i'm right for waiting.... who knows anymore.... society if fvcked up thats all i know. and its sad to me [/B]

Well, you can certainly wait for a virgin. But remember, even if you find a virgin, that trait doesn't mean that she'll be a good wife or partner or that she'll love or care for you. All it means, in short, is that she hasn't had a penis in her vagina. That's ALL it means. In addition, she may have "issues" with sex (not unlike yourself) that will never allow her to enjoy it, even with you.

It's difficult enough to find a partner who is a good match for anyone, is compatible, with common values, and who loves and cares deeply for you. I think you should spend your time looking for those traits and stop worrying so much about the sexual aspect of it all.

Good luck.

 

[MR_PERFECT]

DEKKA, when you finally do it, you will regret waiting. You don't see sex for what it is, you see it for what you want it to be. Sex really is no big deal. When it comes to "love", sex is the least important part, unless it's really bad.

 

[DEKKA]

thanks for kind of bearing with me on this one. this is an issue thats been close to my heart for a really long time. i think thats the reason i attribute so much weight to it. ive been thining alot about the meaning of sex and im starting to come to the conclusion that its sort of like the meaning of life. maybe there is one, maybe there isn't one, maybe it's not for me to know. i think instead of taking each relationship and judging it based on the person i was with im using sex as a litmus test to say if something will or wont work out.

i think i was being a little biased because i also feel that if i had sex, it wouldnt change who i was as a person and i'd still be just the same as before... only maybe without the hangups that have been creating problems in so many of my relationships.

plus, i'm starting to see that women are more attracted to somebody with experience and perhaps they feel more special if they are loved by a man who has loved many before. maybe they feel that he his more mature in his desicion to be with her.

im not a religious person any more really and im starting to look at things more objectivly than when before i took too much on "blind faith". im starting to have to make real answers for my life and admitting when i dont have all the answers.

I still think theres a god(or a higher being of some kind or some explanations for the things we cant explain)... but i stopped stressing over issues i cant explain.

im going to live and love and and be happy... sex is just sex now... but maybe it'll force me to realize what true "love" is... and its completely dependant on the relationship... not the sex.

 

[DEKKA]

i completely agree with everything you guys said now its almost like ive had an epiphany... and with that epiphany also came a great sadness, because i, with my hangups about sex, have made women who really did love and care about me... women with HUGE IL, hot, nice, caring, non-complaining women... leave. the last girlfriend i had i now KNOW is gone because she didnt think i could deal with her past... i told her i could... but now that i think about it maybe i couldnt.... NOW I CAN. and i feel happy that ill be judging each woman individually on her true merits... not on something as silly as sex... which i hear is over ratted anywayz=P sorry all you girls out there for being such a prick for so long. peace out~

 

[TesuqueRed]

Originally posted by DEKKA
...I think a great deal of you don't ever want to get married at all because they don't see any benefits to it. (I'm seeing less and less)

For the most part of my life (up until about a year ago) I was what you would consider "very religious". I was a virgin by choice and turned down multiple opportunities to get laid because I figured I was gunna wait till I got married cuz thats how I believed. Last year I quit my church and have basically become not-religious (although i am still a virgin i dont think i can claim its by choice anymore because i think i would if i really cared enough about a woman)

My opinion? You're only part way through the de-programming and have a lot of pre-judgments and biases to remove. This takes awhile, and it takes experience (having been there myself)--it's still too early.

What I definitely recommend is jumping into a relationship, and at this stage, I'd say any relationship that comes your way. Yes!!! I mean it!!! You're still being too precious with yourself and all this idealistic relationship stuff and your first primary experience with a GF---intimate, sexual, erotic, neurotic--whatever, will take you farther and faster than you can imagine. That's why almost any relationship that comes down the pike, IMO, you should take. You'll probably find yourself saying "aw, fvck it" and leaping in. You'll be so far over your head you won't believe it. But you'll survive and you'll come out better--however costly it was--than before.

...Most of them have been experienced with sex before, but when they find out that I'm a virgin, it's like they think im judging them and they all of the sudden become goody goody girls. It's like they want to fvck but don't wanna be seen in that way by a virgin. I'm very open about my sexuality and don't hold back anything anymore when I'm into a chick. But I't seems like all these chicks with experience somehow change and try to come off as a saint (and its stupid cuz i see right through it).

Very perceptive--you're reading them clearly. They change that way because you come off as a virginal Dudley Doo-Right and make them feel slvtish. And, based on some of your comments here, you are judgmental of them. They can sense it--just as you can read them, they can read you. I doubt you can hide it. Their about-face in behavior is ASD.

... why would I want to marry one of these women whos been around the block a bunch of times already.(?)

Here's one of your negative judgments creeping in.

If a 25 year old woman had 5 BFs since age 17--roughly a year each--and was faithful to each while with them, is she a ho? We call it serial monogamy--she's been faithful. And if she's had 1 BF who she became very sexually experienced with, is she still a ho?

This ideal of a (nearly) virginal GF is largely non-existent, IMO, in the real world. Look deep enough into any woman with that facade and you'll find reality is different. It isn't that they're all ho's, it's just that they have an erotic capacity that belies that virginal facade. And they know how to play--and those that don't know how to play are socially mal-adjusted. Which is the same opinion they have for 22 yr old male virgins. Sorry--it may sound ugly to you like that, but that's the way it is.

Women can act that virginal role because they have great incentive for doing so--just look at your negative reactions to them herein and you know exactly why they have incentive to cover up their sexuality and their real selves.

In part, I would say "Grow up, adults have sex. Most adults have multiple partners." Those that don't are increasingly rare (not--!--I hasten to add, increasingly valuable, which you may feel they are)--those with few sexual partners are mostly (but not always) socially and sexually mal-adjusted--IMO and in my experience.

On the other had I would say "jump into any relationship that comes your way---your prejudgments won't survive contact with reality!"

If you get to 30, I hope you have had a couple GFs, a few break-ups, a couple ONSs, have a GF late on her period, make an @ss of yourself a few times and have an ex stalk you. Why do I wish that for you? Because you will have had real life experience and won't be tied to these unreal, gauzy fantasies. Sure--your parents probably had that Hallmark-card fantasy marriage, but, frankly, real life is very much different for the great majority of us.

And---speaking as one approaching 40--I wouldn't say that the Hallmark-card fantasy of marriage is something that is more valuable than anything else. I did once--when I didn't know anything. It was tough getting out of that and challenging my preconceptions and fantasies instilled in my by my parents and religion. On the other side now---fvck it, the Hallmark-card fantasy is too sacharine for my tastes.

I know I want a faithfull wife...

no shyt, who doesn't?

...and I know I wouldn't have a roblem staying with her if I loved her.

Ah--actually--you'd be surprised...

By definition you wouldn't have a problem staying together if you loved her. And if you had a problem, then, by definition, you probably didn't love her. But speaking from experience and from what many others have said, even if you loved them, there's problems. You'll be surprised.

But, I just can't get excited about marrying anybody that doesn't consider marriage anything different from the steriotypical bf/gf pseudomarriages i see all the time.

You're challenging yourself here and working through it--that's a very good sign, which is confirmed by the following:

I'm confused as fvck, a little saddened because I don't think there's anybody who really wants to wait, and feeling like maybe I was born in the wrong century.

No, you're still de-programming. Much of that--the virgin until marriage, faithful all your life--came from a rural, agrarian (sp?) small population society where local societal stability was extremely important, and one way was to channel the overwhelming sexual energy of the youth straight into marriage at an early age, and then sorround it with beliefs and proscriptions to enforce it (i.e., "God" wants it that way and HE knows what you did).

But it wasn't true. I think I read where half of Puritan (the Puritans for chrissakes!) marriages in 1600s and 1700s had babies born less that 9 months after the wedding (um, that means a great many Puritan marriages were shot-gun weddings.)

Maybe I have hangups about sex and it's clouding my perspective and making chicks self-confident.

I realize its just sex.

If you realize it's just sex, why such a production over it? It isn't sex that you have hang-ups about, I think it's all the religious / moral stuff sorrounding it.

Now, if you go limp in front of a 19 yr old with pert C-cups and legs for days, then you have a sexual issue...

But why should I pay retail price for a woman that has been giving it up wholesale all her life?

Whoah. That's about the strongest, negative pre-judgment you've made. Women are either virgins or bargain-basement wh0res by this measure. It's too simplistic. There's really a lot of territory between the two and--believe this--even greater territory that doesn't even lie between the two.

One question: is a $1000/hr call-girl giving it up whole-sale?

Another question: let's say a girl doesn't ever charge for it but makes a stupid decision and stays faithful with someone abusing her--she's getting "top dollar" for it--???

Anyway, DEKKA, your's was one of the more exciting posts to read because you're really fighting through it and not wimping out. I remember your earlier posts and--now this one---DEKKA, fvcking amazing, IMO. I'm playing devil's advocate here having been there myself (I really wish I could go back and bytch-slap myself back then...<sigh...>),

 

[Ice Cold]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I laughed so hard on that title. You made my day.


It's stupid of you to tell them about your virginity.

You wanna marry while you're a virgin?

read:

www.nomarriage.com
http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/

 

[MetalFortress]

If you want to marry while a virgin, you should find a wife who is doing the same, else things could get odd/awkward and keep adding to the mess. But then again, if you want to marry while a virgin, SoSuave isn't exactly the place to talk about that (which is probably why I rarely post anywhere except helping complete beginners every so often on posting on health and fitness). Christian dating forums would probably be better (assuming you still believe in God, which you don't need to be 'religious' to do)

 

[DEKKA]

THANKS=P for all your posts guys. It's amazing but I'm seeing myself CHANGE even over the short course of this little thread. What tesquered said totally rings true with me now.

i really need help de-programming myself from a lot of the religious influences ive had all my life(which really havent helped as much as i would have thought... except maybe the lessons i learned about being a good honest person and not trying to fvck people over). this is one place im starting. ive just GOT to stop making judgements based on things i cant prove.

and tesquered... i laughed when you said i should "jump into any relationship that comes my way" and told me id be in way over my head with imtimacy and all that stuff.... TRUE ive never had sex... but ive done everything else up to and excluding it and i guarantee none of the women ive been with would have known i was a virgin until i told them. i aint no beginner... just a little brianwashed still i can send women through the fvcking roof with anticipation and get them really turned on and am totally confident around them.

im starting to see things from outside the box i was in.... even just tonight! its so cool in a way cuz im accepting ideas and truths i have rejected for a long time. past broken relationships are starting to all make sense now.

if any of you have any tips on seeings things more objectively... please feel free to speak and be heard.... for the first time in my life im listening...

and btw... don't laugh cuz i rarely seek advise IRL id kick your a$$ hehe

 

[MetalFortress]

"I see no point in spending the rest of my life with any woman unless shes got something different to offer. I'm sure you guys have all heard about how basically worthless most white american girls are for marriage... why do you think that is?"

Go to nomarriage.com, it's all about that. Basically, they are unfeminine, giving up the goods to all comers, and too influenced by feminist ideas, although a lot of "old fashioned" girls would buck the trend.

 

[DEKKA]

Originally posted by MetalFortress
Go to nomarriage.com, it's all about that. Basically, they are unfeminine, giving up the goods to all comers, and too influenced by feminist ideas, although a lot of "old fashioned" girls would buck the trend.

damn bruh... i went to that site and it's so sad that most of that stuff is true. too many want their cake (to be treated like a princess) and eat it too (be treated like our equals). one way or another our societys gotten to the point where men are afriad to be men because its not politically correct and women are abusing the inches men have given them and turned them into miles. and to add insult to injury its now EXPECTED that this is the way things should be.

ive had two of my close older friends get married into relationships they now horribly regret. one is getting a divorce after only 6 months. they were both major AFC's though and i get the impression their decisions to marry weren't made with the broad perspective that experience brings, but rather, because they settled and were tricked into thinking THEY were lucky to have the women they had and not the other way around.

in all honesty i believe getting a man to marry you should be one of the damned hardest things a women ever has to do... sadly enough... it seems really easy for women today.

play on playas.

 

[TesuqueRed]

Like a lot of posts lately, I almost deleted it a couple of times. I tried 2-3 attempts to answer Jbbrain's post and couldn't do it until the last one. And even then...

Anyway, DEKKA--it's good to see you hit this shyt head-on. I really like that about your approach--fearless. I've been there (similar upbringing, I guess) but it sounds as if you came from a deeper immersion in it.

What I would point out about jumping into any relationship that comes your way is that it will take you back to your primitive reactions (the religious, etc.) and FORCE you to dig yourself out from there. Primary experience does that: it keeps you honest. You have to do the work and primary experience will see to it that you do.

You've gone up to but not quite the point of (being crude, here) sticking it in. When you do it, see what comes up. It may or may not be immediate--it may be weeks and months later that issues come up that force you to deal with it. It may be that you get hooked on the girl that de-virginized you, and then you break up and you get a ONS--no one can tell what you will go through, but the primary experience will lead you to what you need to deal with.

Good luck. See you here after you pop it.

 

[MetalFortress]

"damn bruh... i went to that site and it's so sad that most of that stuff is true. too many want their cake (to be treated like a princess) and eat it too (be treated like our equals). one way or another our societys gotten to the point where men are afriad to be men because its not politically correct and women are abusing the inches men have given them and turned them into miles. and to add insult to injury its now EXPECTED that this is the way things should be."

Exactly. If you know where to look and got a good head on your shoulders you can definitely find exceptions to the rule but for most people it's hard. Actually, I retract my earlier statement of SoSuave is not for you if you want to wait til marriage; some of it, especially Pookish stuff about mindset, is great advice, and goes perfectly with what the Bible says about what a MAN should be (hell, the Bible even calls men being effeminate a sin!) Pook's stuff is great to read whether you're not even kissing until marriage or you wanna get as much tail as you can.

"ive had two of my close older friends get married into relationships they now horribly regret. one is getting a divorce after only 6 months. they were both major AFC's though and i get the impression their decisions to marry weren't made with the broad perspective that experience brings, but rather, because they settled and were tricked into thinking THEY were lucky to have the women they had and not the other way around."

Yeah, my neighbor's friend's fiancee is an AFC in a relationship with a crazy, completely unfeminine woman (the friend). I feel bad for him, he's totally blinded.

"in all honesty i believe getting a man to marry you should be one of the damned hardest things a women ever has to do... sadly enough... it seems really easy for women today."

Yeah. I don't know why anyone would settle in something as big as marriage... but then again, I guess it has to do with lack of self esteem, which is an unfortunate product of the "nice guy" epidemic.

 

[NewMan]

Wow - what a thought provoking post(s)

One of the better I have read in a while.


As someone who has gone through having a relationship with a woman who had far more sexual experience than me, I can understand some of your thoughts DEKKA. I had problems coming to terms with this. I would think - how could she have slept with 10 guys?

This was when I myself was inexperienced....

Anyway, after the relationship ended - I realised that the problem was MINE.

I had the problem - I was jealous with the fact that I had not had as much experience as her.

I was trying to put the problem onto her - when in fact I was mad at myself for not having taken the opportunities that I had earlier in my life to fvck girls....

The funny thing is, she was pretty much a perfect woman - veryt honest and faithfull. Someone I connected with - but I sabotaged the relationship.

The fact of the matter is, if I had fvcked those girls I could have earlier in my life - I maybe still with her - instead of still searching for those qualities that she had in another woman.

My point is this.

If you don't experience sex with different types of woman, how will you know what you want? Plus, there's a greater chance that you will cheat on the woman you end up with - because believe you me, if you don't fvck a variety of woman, you will wonder about it later in life.

An analogy - your first make out session with a woman - did it leave you excited? did you think what would it be like to make out with other chicks?

You get one shot, exeprience as much as you can...

 

[DEKKA]

Originally posted by NewMan
As someone who has gone through having a relationship with a woman who had far more sexual experience than me, I can understand some of your thoughts DEKKA. I had problems coming to terms with this. I would think - how could she have slept with 10 guys?

Yeah... I'm really losing my tendancy for oneitis and can get over women very fast. But this last one I lost shook me up a bit cuz i played pretty tight game(made a few mistakes) but took a girl with huge IL and sent her packin. just tonight im realizing that the main reason was because of my hangups about her past and about sex... like you said... she mentioned shed slept with like 10 guys and she could tell that that bothered me... it was MY problem and i lost a very good woman because of it(this woman never was negative about anything, cooked, surfed, HB8, massage therapist/yoga instructor, very feminine, respectful, nice, all that $hit)

QUOTE]Originally posted by NewMan
If you don't experience sex with different types of woman, how will you know what you want? Plus, there's a greater chance that you will cheat on the woman you end up with - because believe you me, if you don't fvck a variety of woman, you will wonder about it later in life.[/QUOTE]

so true bruh. can't believe with all my DJ training and practice I could overlook something like this for so long... I FINALLY SEE THE LIGHT!

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

huh?

 

[Panther]

DEKKA, trust me, when u do lose your virginity your first reaction will be: "Why the **** did I make such a big deal about THIS?"

Oh and there is no such thing as love (but u r free to discover that for urself)

ThePanther

PS: Its always great to see a guy find the true path of the DJ for the first time. Brings back the memories