HIV STD Question

[LikRetsam]

Many genital viruses have nothing to do with their oral counterparts. You can't give genital herpes to someone's mouth.

Otherwise, you can get STDs if you have cuts, which is extremly rare. It's even safer to give head with cuts in your mouth than unprotected sex. If you get blood into your system (besides down to your stomach where it gets destroyed) then you may be at risk. But this is a risk so small it is unimaginable. Should this happen, God hates you and you should end yourself.

I therefore deem oral sex safe. Gg.

 

[Sart]

one step more

Retjam I will even take it a step further. The actual (odds) of a condom breaking during anal sex are far great than the odds (theoretcial risk) of transmission from oral sex. THIS IS NOT AN OPINION, IT IS DOCUMENTED FACT.

There have been two reported cases of oral infection out of 30 00 000 cases World wide and the researchers dont even beleive those cases. Any Doctor will say wear a condom and dont have sex, oral or not, because they want a risk factor that is absolute NIL. They know that if they say, "sure, have oral sex" some litigious litte fukc will take it up the ar#E get hiv and go to court and lie.

Go to thebody.com and simply ask Dr Bob and read the research for yourself. IF YOU GO DOWN ON A CHICK, YOU WONT GET HIV. IF YOU SPOOF IN A CHICKS MOUTH, SHE WONT GET HIV. THERE IS A SLIGHT THEORETICAL RISK FOR HER IF SHE JUST HAD THREE FUKCING TEETH PULLED AND SUFFERS DENTAL HYGEINE ISSUES.

 

[icecreaman]

This SUCKS!!! I know people are giving good advise but this is depressing. I dont go down on chicks that I just met but I do like to have casual sex. Im still young, I want to bang as many chics as possible. Now I hear that condoms arent even safe anymore. I get tested every 30 days but hearing this type of s@#t is scary. People on the board want to be DJ's but how can you do that when you have to stick to one chic???

 

[icecreaman]

Originally posted by LikRetsam
End yourself. Please.

You can't get HIV or whatever herpes or other STD from going south.

YOUVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!

 

[Sart]

DUDE

Why are people so hung up on fear these days? If you have normal hetrosexual sex with a chick, have oral fun and then bang her, your chances of HIV are almost nil. The odds are higher in the black and hispanic community but once again, only realted to certain activities.

Wear and condom for penetrative sex, but not for anything else and YOU WILL NOT GET HIV.

JUST READ THE FUKCING LITERATURE and stop this fear based ****. I had unprotected sex probably 60 times when HIV was at its strongest in the late eighties and never got a thing. All I was sayig is that the chances of getting hiv from oral is less than chances of the condom breaking, I didn't say the condom was likely to break.

Go to thebody.com and see for yourself. It will almost eradicate your fear, and this particular site is all about protecting you. If you are gay, watch out, if you are bi, watch out, if you bang street walkers, watch out. If you have oral sex with a chick and then use protection to bang her, what are you worried about?

 

[Oxide]

Since we are on the topic.. How many of you ask for an HIV results before you do any fukking with a chick?

i expect the number be very low... i know a lot of us settle for "im clean, i promise".. which sucks balls.. look at your ****..now imagine not ever fukking a chick cause you have to tell her you got HIV...

...so back to the point... condoms are good and all, but to fukk a chick and be sure she dont have sh1t u need an HIV test.. and asking for one is hard..im thinking asking for results on ONS is simply ridiculous, cause ull never get laid... so what is the solution? LTR?

 

[Sart]

solution

Based on the empirical evidence we have quoted and the actual steps to secure affirmative responses, I would say you should, firstly, panic about it. Secondly, never have sex again, thirdly, make sure we all go baah baah at the same time.

One more try. Oral sex, don't worry....penatrative sex, where a rubber unless you get to know her and want an LTR.

My philosophy would be to not give a toss, have fun and take my chances. As a hetro guy sleeping with normal girls, my odds would be much greater that I will die on my way to her house in an horrific car accident. ARE WE ALL GOING TO STOP DRIVING? For fukcs sake, get over it.

 

[icecreaman]

Originally posted by Oxide
Since we are on the topic.. How many of you ask for an HIV results before you do any fukking with a chick?

i expect the number be very low... i know a lot of us settle for "im clean, i promise".. which sucks balls.. look at your ****..now imagine not ever fukking a chick cause you have to tell her you got HIV...

...so back to the point... condoms are good and all, but to fukk a chick and be sure she dont have sh1t u need an HIV test.. and asking for one is hard..im thinking asking for results on ONS is simply ridiculous, cause ull never get laid... so what is the solution? LTR?

I aint ready for no long term relationship. I just wanna BANG!!!! I was gonna go to the club tonight but I think Im just gonna chill. Reading Playa Supreme's e-mail post has messed me up.

P.S- I am a black male so, Im a little spooked right now.

 

[Sart]

black and hispanic

Yeah, more prevalent in black and hispanic communities, but still comes down to what sexual practices you do. Oral is still safe, condoms are still safer. The black community have too many guys on the down low and these guys are married and deny they are gay. White gays are out of the closet and less likely to marry and pretend they aren't gay. Its a pride and culture thing.

Still, odds are all for you dude, not against you.

 

[-HPNOTIQ-]

Re: the body

Originally posted by Sart
If you dont believe jetsram, visit thebody.com and ask the professionals who work in the area.......daily. The latest (and much larger and more appropriate) tests have shown transmission of HIV from oral sex at NIL. They still give it a theoretical risk factor especially if you have sores or cuts.

Quite large control groups. In Switzerland 1000 infected men and their partners were still going to have sex. It is common for the partners to still have sex. ANYWAY, the Doctors/researchers asked them to have oral sex only, both ways, for one year. After one year....NO NEW CASES. Going down on a chick is a lot safer and ther are NO REPORTED cases of HIV from that, at all.

Don't believe me, go into thebody and read the Q&A section there, it should clear the issue up for you.

OK smart guy...here is the link from the site YOU RECOMMENDED from thebody.com.

http://www.thebody.com/cdc/oralsex.html

It has referred information from the centers for disease control that states there are theoretical risks of contracting HIV from oral/vaginal route as well as DOCUMENTED cases.

Although it states there are FEW docoumented cases..they DO exist. And, the report states the reason it is so hard to document an oral/vaginal connection is because after oral sex..partners engage in other forms of sex also..making it difficutl to pinpoint exact transmission.

Ok...so you've got yourself feeling the chances are low that you will ever contract HIV or another STD through oral sex. There is risk...and if you want to risk your health/life.

GO FOR IT.

I'm no saint trying to save you. But, facts are facts. Regardless of how low the risk is...the bottom line is.

YOU CAN GET HIV/STDs from oral sex. PERIOD.

Personally, I wonder what makes 'risk' high when you're talking about contracting the most debilitating disease in the world.
Oral sex with 1 out 10 women? 1 out of 20? 1 out of 100? 1 out of 100,000?

All it takes is one...and...many other forms of STDs are easier contracted than HIV.

btw...Sart..I'm curious to see your HIV/STD blood results after banging 60 women with unprotected sex. Hopefully your words are backed up by blood tests and not the bliss of ignorance.

 

[-HPNOTIQ-]

Or maybe you mean this article.

http://www.thebody.com/step/ezine_123003/oral_proteins.html

Editor's note: Uncommon does not mean zero. Oral transmission of HIV is a documented phenomenon.

Even the author notes that uncommon DOES NOT MEAN ZERO.

I pray you never get HIV/AIDS to prove this point. I've met patients who suffer from this disease. Until you look down the eye's of a man who has this disease..shake his hand..then realize this person will die from something there is no cure to..

until you meet someone like that..or it happens to someone you know or who is in your family...

IT WILL ALWAYS BE A LOW RISK TO YOU.

 

[Cesare Cardinali]

LikRetsam wrote:

You can't give genital herpes to someone's mouth.

Yes you can. Read up on this before posting such nonsense bro.

 

[icecreaman]

Why anyone would go down on a chic they dont know is mind boggling. My main concern is how safe condoms are. If condoms are so unsafe then why is the porn industry forcing actors to use them considering that HIV scare they had a couple of months ago?

 

[Sart]

serious

Well man you really researched there for ten minutes and got the "text proffing" you required to completely undo all the knowledge I have built over the last 20 years since HIV hit the scene. You got me, you so obviously studied the research and quailifed and quantified studies, then read the q&a section, looked at the empirical evidence and MAN, you did it in 10 minutes.

Go ahead, wear a condom on your tongue, dont have sex, hey, just stick to whacking off. Did you know that the odds of suffering a heart attack whilst whacking off are greater than the odds og contracting hiv from oral sex on a chick? So, actually, dont whack off. While you're at it, purchase a plastic bubble and live in it cause there WILL be another pandemic and you COULD die from it.

There is no point speaking to sheep so I will give this thred a miss from this point on because you just dont fukcing get it. A theoretical rsik means they dont want to say its safe because some fukcing moron will misunderand and have unprotected anal gang bang with 5 hiv gay men and argue that the site said it was safe.

There are women in this country who are hookers who specialize in giving full blow jobs. They have done it for years and years, hundreds of times a year to hundreds of men. They MUST be checked every month as legal operators and guess what? They dont have HIV.

HIV likes to be pumped into the blood stream, or *** straight into your colon where it can survive. It doesn't really like the antispetic of the mouth or the gastric juices, BUT you just stick to that bubble. So, why are you here? A DJ site for men "too scared" to have sex.

Why do Americans thrive on risk? Why?

 

[LikRetsam]

Originally posted by Cesare Cardinali
LikRetsam wrote:


Yes you can. Read up on this before posting such nonsense bro.

They have the word herpes but are two different species in a sense. It's like tossing some raid on my skin. It will itch for awhile but if you do it to a cricket it will die.

Also completly agree with Sart.

 

[-HPNOTIQ-]

Sart.

You think you're the only one here with a university degree (or two) and you are the SELF PROCLAIMED EXPERT ON THIS TOPIC EH??


ALL...and I emphasize ALL...ALL of the studies support oral sex as a catalyst for HIV contraction, albeit the risk is LOW.

Yes..the risk is low. BUT THE FACT IS THAT IT IS TRANSMITTED THAT WAY.

Now dont get your panties up in a bunch and stop having sex. Have plenty of sex..tons of it..unprotected..protected..I'm not here to push my ethics on you. I you want to butt f*ck a horse, live in a bubble, or have sex with 60 unprotected women then be my guest...All I'm doing is showng the facts from sources YOU gave us that state that HIV is transmitted orally..even if the risks are low..it is still contracted orally.

I'm sure you took statistical calculus in college...I remember what a HARVARD PhD professor once stated to the class "If you cannot quantify your data..then it is minusha.

I want to see your statistical numbers SART. Especially the risks on whanking off vs having unprotected sex. hahaha..that was a good one btw...I've sifted through thebody.com data and have seen no solid statistical numbers that you've raised.

I have seen this response from your very own Dr. BOB.
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Archive/OralSex/Q158597.html
Even Dr BOB states..albeit a low risk...you can get HIV/STDs through the oral sex.

And, I want to see statistical data that shows Dr BOB's definition of high risk, med risk, and low risk. And you dont question a site or a Doctor who's medical online advice is followed by an advertisement?

Oh yea...where's your blood test bloke?

 

[NRM]

Re: serious

Originally posted by Sart
Well man you really researched there for ten minutes and got the "text proffing" you required to completely undo all the knowledge I have built over the last 20 years since HIV hit the scene. You got me, you so obviously studied the research and quailifed and quantified studies, then read the q&a section, looked at the empirical evidence and MAN, you did it in 10 minutes.

Hey hey, you were the one that told us to go to that site if we didn't believe you. We did, and you it didn't prove your point. You started with using that site as proof and now you're using your 20 years of experience as proof? So what, he did it in 10 minutes? He skimmed your obsolete site on spreading STDs in 10 minutes and it didn't turn out like you said it would, so quit whining, and deal with it.

I don't get why you don't care about something so life-threatening. It isn't a quick death either. AIDs IS a terrible sickness to have. And myself and many other people RATHER not risk it. You can say what you want about masturbation and condoms, but risking your life and health from one non-safe sexual encounter is just stupid.

Condoms work, use them. As for going down on a girl who you barely know, that just sounds stupid, and I don't think the idea of a womans infected juices trickling down your throat makes your day.

It's up to whoever to decide what they want to do about thier sex lives. Many people will get lots of sex and still want a "clean" girl without the possible STDs. Why? Because of the risk. Wouldn't you do what you could to prevent a risk, even if it's as easy as NOT going down on a girl you barely know?

Your idea to use that site as a basis to your claims was flawed. The site said many opposing things to what you have said. So quit flipping out on people who point out that what you said didn't match the site. No matter what experience you have. You were wrong in that case.

 

[Luveno]

the truth

Coming across this thread has made me a little awry about the "knowledge" people are spreading about AIDS, condom use, and the like.

First and foremost, the study that Player_Supreme had brought to light wasn't actually a study at all. It was an opinion from a press editor of some sort. Additionally, the study about latex leakage done by the FDA was done on latex gloves, not condoms. Condoms are made of much stronger and thicker latex than gloves. Additionally, leak tests (for any leaks that HIV could fit through) are done with each batch of condoms to assure safety.
Research have been done on large groups of couples where one lover was infected with AIDS and the other wasn't. In these couples, ones who used condoms had a transmission rate of about 1%, whereas the non-condom users had a much higher rate of transmission - approximately 10% if my memory serves me correctly.
Oral sex can transmit HIV only if there are open sores on the recipient of the sexual fluid. For instance, cunnilingus on an HIV infected girl would be dangerous if the man had a canchre or mouth sore...or bit his cheek while chewing gum an hour previous. Otherwise, HIV cannot live in saliva for long (if only there was saliva in our johnsons....:S) Other STDs can be passed via this method though, so watch out for oral sex. If the girl wont let you look at her vagina, Id be careful.
In conclusion, condom use is imperative to halt the spread and transmission of HIV. If everyone were wise enough to use condoms 10 years ago, HIV prevalence in today's society would be dramatically lower. Only fools go in without a raincoat.
This thread is old for sure, but knowledge of AIDS and condoms is something that should be propagated indefinitely.

 

[dietzcoi]

Reading this, our best bet is not only to panic, as Sart said, but to wear a chicken suit and flap our wings yelling "Buck Buck".

I guess Aids is worse than being paralyzed like CHristopher Reeves? BS.

It is a bad disease but so it cancer and heart disease. How many of you eat at McDonalds?

Buck, buck!

Dietzcoi

 

[cactus3178]

Ice Cold,

That Herpes thing is sort of a half-truth. There are two types of Herpes, HSV-1, and HSV-2. HSV-1 is your standard mouth Herpes, which the better part of the poplulation have been exposed to (something like 95%). That kind of Herpes manifests as simple mouth sores that almost always go away by themselves. HSV-2 is Genital Herpes, uncurable at this point as everyone knows.

The only alarming thing is that HSV-1 CAN be spread to the southlands by means of oral sex, but it is in fact not the same thing. If HSV-1 is transmitted through oral sex, the person on the receiving end may get sores, but not the same recurring type as with HSV-2.

*Sort of a funny story*

My ex gets mouth sores from time to time if she gets bumped on the lip or something similar. Who f*cking knows why. The doctor described her Zovirax (a prescription for Genital Herpes having folk to control outbreaks, if you didn't know) as a way to get rid of the mouth sores quickly. Well, she never told me this as we were pretty new at the time. I found the bottle of Zovirax and was like WTF!

Let me tell you, I about sh*t when I saw that. My mother is an epidemiologist so I recognized the drug immediately. That was about an awkward situation!

***

Anyhow, as far as the HIV thing goes, if your using a condom, your chances of contracting HIV through normal vaginal sex are about zero.