Hey Ease, check out your boy 50 Cent

[ARrocket]

Ouch. Sending gifts to try to win her back, eh?

Here's the story.

 

[Serialized3]

Haven't followed Fiddy since he got owned by Kanye a few years ago but, damn, he can't be all broke up over this.

That woman must have some game (or compromising photos).

 

[Ease]

Sometimes you got to do what you got to do.

He probably got caught red handed.

My boy will be fine though!


Edit: Last i heard he is too busy shutting down competitors to be worried about these hoes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTw_D5Mo69k

 

[DJ Logic]

50 Cent is a garbage rapper who sold out his culture and helped make hiphop one giant commercial.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2qahe_50-cent-window-shopper_music

It disgusts me how he talks to his fans, selling a million dollar dream to people on welfare - basically telling them they aint sh-t without paper.

Real MCs like Mos Def, KRS-1 and Rakim DESTROY this guy.

KRS talking REAL sh-t, kicking positivity and knowledge at his people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFin4OQoxm4

Mos Def dropping serious poetry, now there is an artist! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_lR5JkgCnU

Rakim, pioneer, innovator and STILL representing hiphop, WHAT? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GufYkzroatA

So what you gotta say to that fiddy? Oh you want us to look at your rims, and your chains n' b-tches? Wow, that is real thought-provoking sh-t right there

F-ck 50 cent and F-CK anyone who buys his music. You are killing hiphop by supporting with this superficial bullsh-t

 

[Ease]

50 Cent is a garbage rapper who sold out his culture and helped make hiphop one giant commercial.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2qahe_50-cent-window-shopper_music

It disgusts me how he talks to his fans, selling a million dollar dream to people on welfare - basically telling them they aint sh-t without paper.

Real MCs like Mos Def, KRS-1 and Rakim DESTROY this guy.

KRS talking REAL sh-t, kicking positivity and knowledge at his people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFin4OQoxm4

Mos Def dropping serious poetry, now there is an artist! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_lR5JkgCnU

Rakim, pioneer, innovator and STILL representing hiphop, WHAT? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GufYkzroatA

So what you gotta say to that fiddy? Oh you want us to look at your rims, and your chains n' b-tches? Wow, that is real thought-provoking sh-t right there

F-ck 50 cent and F-CK anyone who buys his music. You are killing hiphop by supporting with this superficial bullsh-t

Thats a lot of crap right there. It is the multimillionaire executive directors of major music labels that have made music the commercial joke it is.

I talk about and follow 50 cent for more than just his music. He isn't a lyricist, he is a hit maker when it comes to music, say what you want about his lyricism but his hook writing ability is top. And 50 cent's appeal is 50% the lifestyle and public image. He is a businessman and a very clever guy. You mus not know much him if you think that.

Now if you want to lyricists then we can talk about Nas. He is my other fav musician out there, and even he 'sold out' massively with i am and nastradamus. But like i said it was the big boys in the offices that told him what to write about and what to say.

As for rakim krs and mos def, well they were past my generation. They are the people that you grew up on. I grew up on slim shady, 50 cent, nas, jay z. When the time comes they will be the legends and classics.

 

[BBbardot]

aww poor fiddy, he big teddy bear with his heart broken pfouuu

 

[DJ Logic]

I can dig Eminem, dude is a top-level lyricist, and Jay-Z is also pretty nasty with the flow (though I find his content pretty predictable/superficial too) And I can't hate on the man who dropped Illmatic. But 50? Almost as overrated as Lil Wayne, IMHO.

Oh and for what it is worth, those record company execs wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they didn't have yes men who dictate word for word the message they want to sell to the masses. They would have no power if emcees told them to f-ck off. (See Immortal Technique for a perfect example of how to deal with these ass clowns)

I see the angle you're aiming for but you're wrong. This aint about Old vs New School, its about Fake vs True School. Problem is that most up and comers nowadays play by the industry rules which are shady as sh-t and have nothing to do with the advancement of hiphop as an artform. Sure all these rappers make "hits" and money but if that's all you care about then you are not supporting hiphop. You are down with Hip-POP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYqTvRixDkU

Yeah 50 is a clever business man. Yes he can write stupidly simple hooks that are easy to sing a long too. Does that make him any less of a sell-out poser corporate c-cksucker? Not really.

Here's a little inside info for you. I used to work at a post-production house for Bad Boy Entertainment. All the cars, jewels and sh-t you see in those videos? They are rented for just that day. Not saying these guys aint paid, but the so called "lifestyle" they flaunt is 100% ILLUSION. Keep biting at the bait son.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

I don't listen to hiphop either way, but I can tell you that 50 cent is most definitely a corporate icon. Hell he spends all his time developing the next line of clothing, or shoes, or lunchboxes or whatever. He has made himself a corporate brand and relegated himself to the status of a big media salesman with an office. I saw him interviewed on CNBC of all places and he certainly talks like a businessman.

I mean, if he refined the better biodiesel or made a better nuclear reactor I would admire his success, as it stands I am ambivalent.

But I agree with the posters who challenge his artistic cred.

 

[realtalk]

I can dig Eminem, dude is a top-level lyricist, and Jay-Z is also pretty nasty with the flow (though I find his content pretty predictable/superficial too)

Jay-Z's flow isn't his strength, he's more of a lyricist than Eminem.
Eminem got crazy rhyme schemes but his lyrics aren't very complex (especially now)

Jay's lyrics are so complex he needed to release a book (Decoded) to explain them...

Plus he's respected amongst real music heads even though he's mainstream because his lyrics are intelligent and he maintains a level of integrity throughout his career. Even in songs like Big Pimpin' where the song is pretty ignorant, he'll slip in a line in there that is deep.

Jay-Z says stuff you don't even get until the 5th time you hear it.


E.g. The double entrendre here is crazy...

"I jack, I rob, I sin/
I'm Jackie Robinson/
Except when I run base, I dodge the pen/"

 

[Ease]

Oh and for what it is worth, those record company execs wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they didn't have yes men who dictate word for word the message they want to sell to the masses. They would have no power if emcees told them to f-ck off. (See Immortal Technique for a perfect example of how to deal with these ass clowns)

I see the angle you're aiming for but you're wrong. This aint about Old vs New School, its about Fake vs True School. Problem is that most up and comers nowadays play by the industry rules which are shady as sh-t and have nothing to do with the advancement of hiphop as an artform. Sure all these rappers make "hits" and money but if that's all you care about then you are not supporting hiphop. You are down with Hip-POP

There is no way you can classify 50 cent as a joke. I see the angle you're aiming for too but there is no way. There is nothing fake or empty about 50 cent. He talks about business, money, girls and his broke times. If you don't like 50 then that is a matter of taste.

Eminem is the biggest corporate pimp of them all. Listen to his first album he released before he started his 'slim shady' character, it didn't sell without the alter ego spin. The man created a character and became the most successful artist around. Look at his last album, he sings more than he raps. Nas is no different, rap pioneer and legend but he sold out the same way when he was made to.

You are sadly mistaken if you think that artists can make any difference to hip hop. I respect the MC's nonetheless because they take the opportunity and make a success of themselves. They need to make the mainstream music if they want to make it in the business. Musicians dont make their main money from albums. They make their money through royalties, shows, endorsements. The record labels make the real money from the music.

Why do you think all the rented jewellery and cars are there? It's to glamorize the lifestyle and appeal to the public. In the end its all for music sales, and its all in the boardroom.

I know all about immortal technique. Over here in UK we have equivalent guy called 'Lowkey'. They've done songs together even.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU


There's nothing to say about the hip hop thing. It is the way it is, its all entertainment. There's still good artists and music coming out. It is a true shame that there is so much boardroom creative control in the making of music, but it is not just hip hop. Look at lady gaga, you think she would be anything without the fictional public image?

 

[spider_007]

Ouch. Sending gifts to try to win her back, eh?

Here's the story.

Out of Context.
Even the article said it was around christmas, averybody gives gifts.
I'll give him the benefit of the dought.

 

[DJ Logic]

Ayo Ease, thanks for the heads up on Lowkey, I hadn't heard of him. I admit I was wrong about you bro, you do know your history and I retract my previous "f-ck you" even if it wasn't directly aimed at you.

However we will probably never see eye to eye on this topic, and that's cool.

I just feel compelled to say a few things because I really do love Hiphop, in a lot of ways it saved me from myself, and I hate to see it get watered down.

First of all, I don't think an artform should be pigeon-holed to any subject matter or style. Not every artist is gonna be on some Public Enemy type sh-t and that's fine with me. When you look at the golden era of hiphop (88-94) there were a lot of cats doing a lot of different things, you had revolutionaries, abstract poets, teachers, straight-up clowns and even some bling-bling. It's called the golden era because there was so much diversity and heads were making it big.

And that's exactly my point. You don't need to s-ck that industry d-ck to blow up. It's a myth! Fast forward to today and look at someone like Mos Def - dude is starring in movies and recently did a cameo on a few kid's programs AND has been quite active on the political TV show circuit. Maybe he doesn't have as much fame/money as 50 or Em, but he's pretty damn mainstream for someone who made a song about Bush knocking down WTC. The industry LOVES this guy, and so does Hollywood.

But you are right about one thing, it's only partially the rapper's fault. The blame for where hiphop has gone can be laid squarely on the public, who consistently fail to support the real deal in favor of some vicarious fantasy of wealth and stardom. Record company execs are just catering to what they want. The perfect case study for this would be the motherf-cking Black Eyed Peas

Behold, before the sellout: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTEzODUwNDQ=.html <--- Okay nothing mind-blowing with the lyrical content, but the beats/production are original and funky as hell, plus the vibe is just good fun, heralding to hiphop's true roots, which was to get the party amped. It's a dope track!

That whole album was pretty damn tight, but guess what. Nobody f-cking bought it, because it wasn't in line with the trends. Instead the masses would much rather that BEP make songs like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX13bNmYlOc. Not one shred of originality, no soul. Just a recycled, carbon copy of any random garbage you'd hear at a mainstream club. That's what people want and my "F-CK YOU" still applies to them, because they killed much of the flavor that made hiphop such a great, creative medium.

As far as 50 goes, my opinion won't change, and I'm surprised you'd even argue that someone who portrays himself as something he is not is somehow being real. If I rented out a penthouse with a bunch of escort models all wearing diamonds and sent a ferrari to pick you up, bascially invited you over saying this was where I lived, and how I rolled. Then you found out later that I really was rich, but not nearly as much as I had let on. What would you consider me, other than a poser?

And I'm sorry, rapping about money and girls is PART of the formula. The basic message is, look at what I have and you don't. Keep buying my records and making me far richer than you can ever dream of being. That sh-t is not only wack, I find it disrespectful and insulting to fans. Yet somehow they love it. Go f-cking figure..

 

[BDDazza]

DJ Logic,

So you are saying that actors that pretend and play a role are fake too? So if Sylvester Stallone is playing the role of Rambo he is fake because he doesn’t run around in the jungle shooting M16s in real life? So if Daniel Craig is fake because he doesn’t jump from windows and assassinate people in real life like his role in James Bond 007?

So it’s one rule for actors and another rule for rappers. Actors and rappers are both in the entertainment business yet you expect different rules. All you did is spell out your own double standards.

 

[DJ Logic]

First of all you are putting words in my mouth, and secondly that's not a very good analogy.

Entertainers are not pretenders by definition, unless they are actors - and at least with them you know it's just a role. It's pretty straightforward - the Marines are not calling Stallone to lead their forces any time soon, I can assure you that.

My problem is not with role-playing, it's with outright hypocrisy - people who come at you like they are the realest motherf-ckers to walk the earth when they are just posing. The gansta rappers are the worst, half of these punks are from the f-cking suburbs talkin bout how they murder niggaz and move mad drugs around. Then they talk to the media and say "Oh, we are just entertainers" but when they talk to their fans it's supposed to be the real deal, and millions of kids listen to these messages over and over thinking that these niggaz aint playin.

Watch the video I posted before. Look at the kid's reactions and how they break their own heroes down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYqTvRixDkU

At least actors (the good ones anyway) have the dignity to take up new roles and be creative. A lot of these emcees talk the same bullsh-t and are basically selling one consistent image. Even if it is not rooted in reality, it's all about how "hard" you are, and the records you sell are linked to you credibility. Look at Snoop Dogg, his album sold like hotcakes when he was on trial for murder. Heads everywhere dug his street cred and it made for record sales. They realized Snoop wasn't all talk and he got mad respect for that.

The content ain't even the issue here. If you kill 10 niggas a week, move kilos of cocaine all the time and own 10 Bentleys, then that's who you are and I can't take away from your artistic expression. But if you don't do any of those things and are just fronting, then by definition you are a phoney ass b-tch, plain and simple.

So yeah, DAMN STRAIGHT I expect my rappers to be real and not on some poser sh-t. Just like I expect any musician I listen to to play from their soul, instead of what they think people want to hear. If I wanted fakeness, I'd be listening to Milli Vanilli right now. But in your book they were a legit act, because it's all entertainment, right?

 

[FairShake]

I prefer fake gangsters to real gangsters any day of the week. It's pretty sad when your rap sheet defines your relavance. At least the fake ones aren't messing the community up. Well, not as MUCH anyway.

 

[DJ Logic]

It depends on who you are talking about. Some high school kid who likes to fake the funk is not gonna have much of an impact. The worst that will happen is that he will get called out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrV0UOR-lo

But some dude with an audience of millions is going to provide the perfect soundtrack for drugs, violence and god knows what else. People always like to say that music cant influence folks but it's BS. My cousin is doing time right now for selling drugs and several assault charges. His favorite artists? 50, Biggie, Onyx. Not saying that listening to these guys will make you a criminal, but if you are a potential one this music will resonate and inspire you (and not in constructive ways)

For the record, I can't stand gangsta rap. I like music that makes me think or evokes some kind of emotion, which is why all this money/cash/hoes sh-t doesn't do anything for me.

 

[BDDazza]

Entertainers are not pretenders by definition, unless they are actors - and at least with them you know it's just a role.

Not true. Strippers are entertainers and effectively pretenders. They dress up in seductive clothes to play a fantasy role and satisfy their clients.

A clown is a entertainer, they pretend to be the age of the kids and put on make up.

Magicians are entertainers because they "pretend" to cut off their hands for the viewers. They pretend they can make things or themselves disappear!

Likewise rappers are entertainers because they sometimes pretend to own money, jewellery, assets that they don’t have.

You'd be silly to say that singers or rappers do not fall into entertainment.

It's pretty straightforward - the Marines are not calling Stallone to lead their forces any time soon, I can assure you that.

The gansta rappers are the worst, half of these punks are from the f-cking suburbs talkin bout how they murder niggaz and move mad drugs around.

By your own acknowledgement that they are from the suburbs talking about murders and drugs they never did re-iterates and reinforces that its entertainment. If you acknowledged that its fake i.e. suspected disbelief then you have acknowledged that its entertainment

Then they talk to the media and say "Oh, we are just entertainers" but when

Whats the big deal. The fake gangsters or ex real gangster rappers are telling the truth, its entertainment. So you want Daniel Craig to tell the media that he is a real assassin. :crackup:

In addition, the few rappers that are living the ghetto life still are not exactly going to say "actually I'm not a entertainer, I still shoot people" because the cops are watching. Duh!

they talk to their fans it's supposed to be the real deal, and millions of kids listen to these messages over and over thinking that these niggaz aint playin.

By your own admission, today's rappers openly admit to it being entertainment in the Media. The mass Media is everywhere, TV, Radio, Internet etc so there is no excuse for the kids not to hear their rappers saying its entertainment first-hand.

At least actors (the good ones anyway) have the dignity to take up new roles and be creative.

So rappers don't get creative? When 50 cent released the Get Rich or Die trying album the message was 90% violence and he had few features outside of G-unit. But these days his message is only about 60% violent, has has more R&B hooks, love songs, and he is more willing to work with other artists. That is the definition of being creative! using a different formula to success.

In addition, when rappers do creative stuff, people like you just accuse them of selling out. So again double standards, you complain about a rapper selling out but if they don’t sell out it’s they don’t have "the dignity to take up new roles". Make up your mind.

A lot of these emcees talk the same bullsh-t and are basically selling one consistent image. sell are linked to you credibility. Look at Snoop Dogg, his album sold like hoEven if it is not rooted in reality, it's all about how "hard" you are, and the records you tcakes when he was on trial for murder. Heads everywhere dug his street cred and it made for record sales. They realized Snoop wasn't all talk and he got mad respect for that.

"one consitent image". I can remember snoop releasing numerous love songs. not just guns and murder

The content ain't even the issue here. If you kill 10 niggas a week, move kilos of cocaine all the time and own 10 Bentleys, then that's who you are and I can't take away from your artistic expression. But if you don't do any of those things and are just fronting, then by definition you are a phoney ass b-tch, plain and simple.

So yeah, DAMN STRAIGHT I expect my rappers to be real and not on some poser sh-t. Just like I expect any musician I listen to to play from their soul, instead of what they think people want to hear. If I wanted fakeness, I'd be listening to Milli Vanilli right now. But in your book they were a legit act, because it's all entertainment, right?

As established earlier, entertainers are supposed to front due the nature of the job. Why would somebody whom is paid to pretend do the real thing?

So if a magician chops his hand off he is fronting, I should ask the magician for my money back because he didn’t chop his hand off for real:crackup:

So if a WWE Wrester survives a piledriver I should complain because he was fronting because his opponents neck didn’t really break?

 

[DJ Logic]

Let me explain kid, entertainment's not always fiction.
You must be brain-dead or in class your ass didn't listen
Got your definitions twisted
check the dictionary, contrary to the sh-t that you spittin
Nigga please, spare me these weak analogies
Ya fallacies get burned up like calories
You wouldn't know hiphop if you was on you knees
gettin double-teamed by Tupac and B.I.G.
raised from the dead
Look up!
My phrasin's over your head
That's right go grab a paper and pen
and try to keep up
Logic aint paid to pretend
I entertain nonetheless
my sh-t's 100 percent
REAL

See that right there? No need to front. No mention of what I own, who I'm gonna kill or how many b-tches I f-cked. That's true creativity. No formulas, no agendas, no lies. Just raw skill, mental prowess and originality. That is my definition of hiphop, and maybe it's not yours but so far I think it's pretty obvious who knows what the f-ck they are talkin about in this thread.

Now I just hit a blunt and I'm off to bed.
Want some friendly advice?
Quit while you're still ahead.
Nothing left to be said
except peace, seeya later,
sincerely yours,
The Real Life Entertainer.

 

[FairShake]

But some dude with an audience of millions is going to provide the perfect soundtrack for drugs, violence and god knows what else. People always like to say that music cant influence folks but it's BS. My cousin is doing time right now for selling drugs and several assault charges. His favorite artists? 50, Biggie, Onyx. Not saying that listening to these guys will make you a criminal, but if you are a potential one this music will resonate and inspire you (and not in constructive ways)

Sorry about your cousin dude.

I don't really like rap music and I definitely don't like crime rap. But I hate thugs even more. They actually DO kill people instead of talking about it. And they are a big influence around here too. Kids race eachother to their Escalades to wash them, make their beer and weed runs, and get presents from them. And alot of those kids become them after awhile.

Onyx? How long has he been locked up?

 

[ARrocket]

Out of Context.
Even the article said it was around christmas, averybody gives gifts.
I'll give him the benefit of the dought.

Yeah, but who sends tons of gifts to an ex-gf?