Here's the plan......the 37 yr old AW

[Sinistar]

As you say, she's an AW...

...normal women pick up on this vibe and combined with her being older, I don't think any of the younger HB's are going to see her as social proof (in your favor) - no matter how hot you think she is. And worse yet, when these younger HB's see you pursue her I think they may actually categorize you as an AFC because an ALPHA would realize this one is a broken mess and waste of a ALPHA's time.

Plus, this just seems like way too much planning way to far out. There's no on-the-fly confident c0cky arrogant swagger to it.

And there's always the option that she'll pick up on your game and throw it right back at you. Actually, if her game is good she'll lead you on the entire time and then at the last minute (as another poster called out) she'll purposely hook up with another guy to get her rocks off by making you jealous. I don't know about you, but I'd sure feel like a tvrd if I went to all this trouble to drive her there under some multi-week plan to bed her only to have some other totally indifferent dude take her home right in front of me. If it is merely a game (ie you are absolutely 0% emotionally invested???) then go for it. However, if you have even the slightest hint of feelings for this chick and she reverse the game on you - you are gonna be hurtin' dude (which may be a blessing in disguise but I digress).

The absolute best way to bed this woman - start rationing your time with her. Start spending time with other women - especially younger attractive ones. Her clothes will come off [only if truly needed] to prove she can still control your attention.

I found myself wrapped up with an AW a few years ago and allowed intimacy to be dangled in front of me for months (ugh I hate even thinking about it now). In the end do you know what it took. Just one actual date with someone else. My time (ie attention) was perceived to with someone better, someone younger, someone more interesting. Her crack addiction (in this case *attention*) was withdrawn. And she did whatever she had to to get another fix. And it ended sh!tty anyways so it was never worth it.

I'd downplay the party (w/r to AW). Go there and have fun. Throw out all these plans and just go with the flow. Try to number close at least two younger HB's. She will pick up on this. Then on the ride home when she asks if you had a good time just give that c0cky smile and say "Yup!". Don't hint of s3x. Take her home. If she offers to have you up, say "No thanks, I was out last night and have plans for tomorrow so I need my sleep." Say that last part as if s3x with her is the last thing on your mind. Let her stew for a week or so. Then invite her over for something really simple (watch a flick). Your frame the whole friggin' time. Make your move. You'll have your answer.

Prediction(s).

90% - She c0ck blocks you yet again
6% - She reverses the game on you and beds another guy
3% - She goes home with you but doesn't go all the way
1% - She goes home with you and goes all the way.

100% - In the long run she OVERTLY LJBF's you.

 

[STR8UP]

As you say, she's an AW......normal women pick up on this vibe and combined with her being older, I don't think any of the younger HB's are going to see her as social proof (in your favor) - no matter how hot you think she is. And worse yet, when these younger HB's see you pursue her I think they may actually categorize you as an AFC because an ALPHA would realize this one is a broken mess and waste of a ALPHA's time.

Well, to that I have to say that there is no "pursuing her". I will be all over that party cause I'm one of two or three guys who have a fan club of females that will be there, and lots of male friends on top of that.

So my social proof isn't necessarily going to stem from her, as I know most of the other chicks that will be there as well. Plus she's supposed to be bringing friends. Younger Russian and Slovakian chicks. So I will likely be rolling up with a little harem, hehe.

Plus, this just seems like way too much planning way to far out. There's no on-the-fly confident c0cky arrogant swagger to it.

I agree with you here. Nothing better than letting the chips fall as they may. My only thing was the transportation issue, and how that might throw things off. There's a strong possibility that I might even be crashing there.

I don't know about you, but I'd sure feel like a tvrd if I went to all this trouble to drive her there under some multi-week plan to bed her only to have some other totally indifferent dude take her home right in front of me. If it is merely a game (ie you are absolutely 0% emotionally invested???) then go for it. However, if you have even the slightest hint of feelings for this chick and she reverse the game on you - you are gonna be hurtin' dude (which may be a blessing in disguise but I digress).

ZERO EMOTIONAL INVESTMENT. I promise you.

I doubt she would leave with anyone else, but if she did it's her deal.

The absolute best way to bed this woman - start rationing your time with her. Start spending time with other women - especially younger attractive ones. Her clothes will come off [only if truly needed] to prove she can still control your attention.

That's where you are missing the point.

I have no desire to play games with her. In fact, I want to do the opposite. I want to expose her for who she is cause I'm not going to let some chick play with my d!ck and walk away giggling.

I found myself wrapped up with an AW a few years ago and allowed intimacy to be dangled in front of me for months (ugh I hate even thinking about it now). In the end do you know what it took. Just one actual date with someone else. My time (ie attention) was perceived to with someone better, someone younger, someone more interesting. Her crack addiction (in this case *attention*) was withdrawn. And she did whatever she had to to get another fix. And it ended sh!tty anyways so it was never worth it.

She knows about the women I'm with and she tells me about her dating life as well. It wouldn't be her getting jealous of another woman so much as losing that precious attention.

Take her home. If she offers to have you up, say "No thanks, I was out last night and have plans for tomorrow so I need my sleep." Say that last part as if s3x with her is the last thing on your mind. Let her stew for a week or so. Then invite her over for something really simple (watch a flick). Your frame the whole friggin' time. Make your move. You'll have your answer.

Nah, no games. It's that night we either fukk or from that point on she's gonna get "slapped on the hand" every time she tries to get sexual with me.

THEN watch her chase me. Although by that time she would have to cook me a candlelight dinner and give me a full body massage while feeding me grapes for her to get it.

Prediction(s).

90% - She c0ck blocks you yet again
6% - She reverses the game on you and beds another guy
3% - She goes home with you but doesn't go all the way
1% - She goes home with you and goes all the way.

100% - In the long run she OVERTLY LJBF's you.

My predictions-

50% - She puts up a little ASD, I push through it, and we fukk
40% - She goes home with me but doesn't go all the way
9% - Other. Could include anything from me doing my thing with another chick, to her c0ckblocking me
1% - She goes home with someone else

And as for the LJBF thing....well, you can't LJBF someone who isn't emotionally invested.

 

[iqqi]

If this chick is such an AW and you are sure she wants you........... why are you waiting to Halloween, and making such a big event of it?! That's wack.

 

[STR8UP]

why are you waiting to Halloween

Lets just say, I don't get out much.

and making such a big event of it?! That's wack.

The big event is making sure I don't shoot myself in the foot by limiting my options with other women at this party. It will literally be a pu$$y buffet.

On second thought maybe I should just forget about the AW and save it all for the other chicks at the party. There's always another time with the AW.....

But i do want resolution as far as that's concerned. Eh....well see.

 

[Don Juanabbe]

As per my other threads, my relationship with the 37 yr old AW has come to a turning point.

I was perfectly happy "just being friends" with her (not that I was in the friend zone) for the longest time. We would get together every couple of weeks or so, flirt a little bit but she always knew I had other girls around and vice versa.

But now that she has "escalated" the flirting to the point where it's clear that she either A) Wants to play hide the salami pretty bad, or B) Is being true to her nature as an AW (which she IS, but someone has to fukk her) and is turning up the heat to hold my attention.

Like I said, I was fine with the friends deal. Even though she's a good looking woman, I always knew that there would be no relationship potential between us.

But I'll be damned if ANY woman is gonna tease me like that, unless of course she is prepared to follow through with it.

I invited her to a halloween party in a couple of weeks. She may not fully realize that there will be several women there that I have either fukked or messed around with, or who have outright propositioned me, but she knows that this crowd I hang with has quite a few younger, attractive, adventurous women and I'm sure she knows I have options within this group.

So here's what I'm gonna do.

She made a reference to us driving to the party together, and I already made it clear that I might not want to leave early if there's some "action". So I'm gonna tell her up front something to the effect of "So are we having sex tonite or what?"

It's put up or shut up. If she gives me a "maybe" type answer, she's going to get asked the same question again. If the answer at that point is anything other than "yes", then I'm going to assume it's a "no" and she's gonna be taking her own car and it will be implied that I will be looking to hook up with someone else that night. Worst case, if I don't have anything else lined up by the time she leaves, I can approach her again, this time after she's had a few drinks, hehe.

Yea, I could easily just lay it on thick that night and let the chips fall where they may, but she has already demonstrated that she will not hesitate to resort to "covert" communication, so why not be preemptive and fight fire with fire? If she really wants to fukk she's gonna say yes. If she doesn't or is on the fence, I know where I stand and I will change my gameplan accordingly.

The way I see it this is a win/win situation for me.

If she says "yes", situation resolved. If she says "maybe" or "no", she will get to watch me work a room where I'm da MAN. If it doesn't happen that night she might get one more chance, but after that if it doesn't happen, she's cut off. No more attention for the attention wh0re.

What do you think?

Jesus Christ man, You have all these other women available to you, yet you are wasting time on this puta?

Just walk away man. You are emotionally involved or else you wouldn't be so confused about this slag.

No used 37 year old vagina is worth this amount of effort. Take a step back and really look at what you are doing here.

...and I'm not trying to bust on you personally or anything, you seem like you got most of your sh*t together.

 

[ketostix]

Str8up, looks like you're getting the good ol "next her" advice. How surprising. I thought he explained he's just toying with her and it's all in fun. He just wants to sex her, and from what he's said it looks like he could've already or at least made her put up or shut up. I guess he just waiting for the perfect time to strike and milling over it a little. i don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[STR8UP]

I agree with above, you seem like you have your sh*t together yet you are acting like women do. You are wasting too much time and over analyzing and most of it is probably way off.

It may seem as if I am over analyzing things, but it's mostly just the fact that I find it fascinating. Sadly, this board is my only hobby lately with my hectic schedule.

Be a man. If you see this drama is going nowhere. Simply forget about her.

We're gonna find out where it's going soon, cause next opportunity she's going to get it thrown right back at her and how she responds will determine the nature of our relationship from that point on.

 

[STR8UP]

Str8up, looks like you're getting the good ol "next her" advice.

Yea, that's really not what this is about. I don't look at any of it as a waste of time since I have zero emotional investment.

I thought he explained he's just toying with her and it's all in fun.

It IS fun.

When you have the knowledge of how women work and you can remove emotional investment and take a step back and see it for what it is, it's quite entertaining. Like watching a play that you are in and have the ability to manipulate.

See, women can't do that. they lack the self awareness that an enlightened man can possess. No matter what they do they are never conscious of the motives behind their actions.

When I was 21 years old i probably would have wasted a bunch of time chasing a woman like this, emotionally invested and hoping for intimacy. Man, was I clueless back in the day.

 

[ketostix]

When you have the knowledge of how women work and you can remove emotional investment and take a step back and see it for what it is, it's quite entertaining. Like watching a play that you are in and have the ability to manipulate.

See, women can't do that. they lack the self awareness that an enlightened man can possess. No matter what they do they are never conscious of the motives behind their actions.

I totally agree, women are totally acting on emotions, hormones and instincts and NOT intellect and knowledge. Sure women have natural "game" and can act on a tidbit of experience and info they've picked up, but they're still captive to their emotions. And what guy couldn't game as good or better than women when the whole system is in women's favor and easy as pie?

When I was 21 years old i probably would have wasted a bunch of time chasing a woman like this, emotionally invested and hoping for intimacy. Man, was I clueless back in the day.

Here here, iIf only my youth wasn't wasted on when I was young.

 

[STR8UP]

Update

For anyone who cares.....

Went out with the AW Saturday night. Had no idea they were coming out until the last minute. She brought along a couple of friends and one of the friend's b/f.

The other friend had given me IOI's in the past, but I hadn't seen her in a long time so I never pursued it. I contacted her once since then but I've been busy and nothing ever came of it so I wrote it off.

When they arrived the friend made a comment about how she forgot to stuff socks in her bra to make her boobs look bigger in her costume, so I let her borrow a pair Then for some reason they started talking about stuffing them down my pants, and the next thing you know both chicks are taking turns sticking their hands down my boxers and grabbing my unit. I thought, "Well, this is going to be an interesting evening!"

Turns out it was. I was actually in contact with Deep Dish that night, and unfortunately we never managed to meet up, although we tried.

So we hit a few different clubs downtown. The first one we went in for a few minutes and the AW disappears. So it's me and the friend. The friend wants to go meet up with some other people, so we step outside. the AW finally shows up outside and was PISSED. I guess she had stepped away to talk to the DJ to get a birthday song dedicated to me. I did feel pretty bad when she told me that

So the night goes on and we end up at the last bar of the evening. The AW wants to leave, but her friend doesn't, so I end up taking the friend back to my place. Didn't get the cookie, but I'm actually semi-interested in this one, so it's all good, I'll be seeing her again.

I really expected the AW to be PISSED, and so did her friend. the friend kept talking about how much trouble she was gonna be in, how she had always made comments to the AW about why she had never hooked up with me, etc.

After all that the AW took it surprisingly well. She came by and picked up her friend who I walked down to the front of the building in my tshirt and a pair of boxer's, hehe. I really expected to get a serious attitude, but she seemed cool.

I had my first day off in months on Sunday so I stopped by the AW's house on the way over to my parents later in the afternoon. She was wearing a shirt that was falling off her shoulders with no bra and she kept bending down in front of me, putting her t!ts in wide open plain view. Don't know whether this was on purpose or not, but she didn't seem at all concerned about the show she was giving

Ahhhh....fun times. We'll see what happens with the friend.....

 

[Deep Dish]

Guys, here's what happens when STR8UP's adventures get going. His cell phone loses its reception. The ladies create such a powerful electromagnetic field that the phone signal simply cannot penetrate.

 

[STR8UP]

No, this is what happens when you hand a 23 yr old slovakian dude a big ass bottle of vodka and tell him it's your birthday.