Here's the plan......the 37 yr old AW

[STR8UP]

As per my other threads, my relationship with the 37 yr old AW has come to a turning point.

I was perfectly happy "just being friends" with her (not that I was in the friend zone) for the longest time. We would get together every couple of weeks or so, flirt a little bit but she always knew I had other girls around and vice versa.

But now that she has "escalated" the flirting to the point where it's clear that she either A) Wants to play hide the salami pretty bad, or B) Is being true to her nature as an AW (which she IS, but someone has to fukk her) and is turning up the heat to hold my attention.

Like I said, I was fine with the friends deal. Even though she's a good looking woman, I always knew that there would be no relationship potential between us.

But I'll be damned if ANY woman is gonna tease me like that, unless of course she is prepared to follow through with it.

I invited her to a halloween party in a couple of weeks. She may not fully realize that there will be several women there that I have either fukked or messed around with, or who have outright propositioned me, but she knows that this crowd I hang with has quite a few younger, attractive, adventurous women and I'm sure she knows I have options within this group.

So here's what I'm gonna do.

She made a reference to us driving to the party together, and I already made it clear that I might not want to leave early if there's some "action". So I'm gonna tell her up front something to the effect of "So are we having sex tonite or what?"

It's put up or shut up. If she gives me a "maybe" type answer, she's going to get asked the same question again. If the answer at that point is anything other than "yes", then I'm going to assume it's a "no" and she's gonna be taking her own car and it will be implied that I will be looking to hook up with someone else that night. Worst case, if I don't have anything else lined up by the time she leaves, I can approach her again, this time after she's had a few drinks, hehe.

Yea, I could easily just lay it on thick that night and let the chips fall where they may, but she has already demonstrated that she will not hesitate to resort to "covert" communication, so why not be preemptive and fight fire with fire? If she really wants to fukk she's gonna say yes. If she doesn't or is on the fence, I know where I stand and I will change my gameplan accordingly.

The way I see it this is a win/win situation for me.

If she says "yes", situation resolved. If she says "maybe" or "no", she will get to watch me work a room where I'm da MAN. If it doesn't happen that night she might get one more chance, but after that if it doesn't happen, she's cut off. No more attention for the attention wh0re.

What do you think?

 

[Bible_Belt]

She made a reference to us driving to the party together, and I already made it clear that I might not want to leave early if there's some "action". So I'm gonna tell her up front something to the effect of "So are we having sex tonite or what?"

That gets my vote for worst pickup line ever. Just bring her, but tell her you might ditch her. Then she has to compete to win you over at the party, and you can always leave when you feel the urge. But you should know better than to blatantly ask for sex.

 

[KontrollerX]

I know this type well Str8up.

I'm probably the most knowledgeable person on this site about this subject so I will tell you...

If she does not give it up that night give her absolutely no more chances.

She'll then begin begging you to reconsider and to forgive her and she'll make it up to you blah blah blah and all that bs and then during the sorrowful crocodile tears filled phone call performance when you relent and give in and tell her to come over so you two can get your freak on she will flake on you because you have given in and displayed interest giving her the validation of desirability and winning the game on you that she seeks.

The only exception to not giving her more than one chance is if you two end up alone together after her first rejection of you and she practically tears your clothes off to get a fvck out of you.

You can then have your way with her if you like but know that even then this will be a control game on her part and to prove her own desireability by getting you to fvck her.

This will most likely be a one time deal where you will never be looked at the same by her again as she will view you as conquered but hey if it comes to this at least you get a lay out of it.

To have total victory though over this person if that is what you seek you must not give in to any of her sexual advances that may come after her first rejection of you.

 

[edger]

As per my other threads, my relationship with the 37 yr old AW has come to a turning point.

I was perfectly happy "just being friends" with her (not that I was in the friend zone) for the longest time. We would get together every couple of weeks or so, flirt a little bit but she always knew I had other girls around and vice versa.

But now that she has "escalated" the flirting to the point where it's clear that she either A) Wants to play hide the salami pretty bad, or B) Is being true to her nature as an AW (which she IS, but someone has to fukk her) and is turning up the heat to hold my attention.

Like I said, I was fine with the friends deal. Even though she's a good looking woman, I always knew that there would be no relationship potential between us.

But I'll be damned if ANY woman is gonna tease me like that, unless of course she is prepared to follow through with it.

I invited her to a halloween party in a couple of weeks. She may not fully realize that there will be several women there that I have either fukked or messed around with, or who have outright propositioned me, but she knows that this crowd I hang with has quite a few younger, attractive, adventurous women and I'm sure she knows I have options within this group.

So here's what I'm gonna do.

She made a reference to us driving to the party together, and I already made it clear that I might not want to leave early if there's some "action". So I'm gonna tell her up front something to the effect of "So are we having sex tonite or what?"

It's put up or shut up. If she gives me a "maybe" type answer, she's going to get asked the same question again. If the answer at that point is anything other than "yes", then I'm going to assume it's a "no" and she's gonna be taking her own car and it will be implied that I will be looking to hook up with someone else that night. Worst case, if I don't have anything else lined up by the time she leaves, I can approach her again, this time after she's had a few drinks, hehe.

Yea, I could easily just lay it on thick that night and let the chips fall where they may, but she has already demonstrated that she will not hesitate to resort to "covert" communication, so why not be preemptive and fight fire with fire? If she really wants to fukk she's gonna say yes. If she doesn't or is on the fence, I know where I stand and I will change my gameplan accordingly.

The way I see it this is a win/win situation for me.

If she says "yes", situation resolved. If she says "maybe" or "no", she will get to watch me work a room where I'm da MAN. If it doesn't happen that night she might get one more chance, but after that if it doesn't happen, she's cut off. No more attention for the attention wh0re.

What do you think?

You're questioning whether or not she wants to f*ck you, yet you claim(you've been claiming), "you're out of the friends zone". ??? If you were truly out of the friend zone, you shouldn't be wondering. So what's really going on here? I'm not trying to pick on you man, but if you were really "in there" with this chick, you wouldn't be posting this.

 

[STR8UP]

She made a reference to us driving to the party together, and I already made it clear that I might not want to leave early if there's some "action". So I'm gonna tell her up front something to the effect of "So are we having sex tonite or what?"

That gets my vote for worst pickup line ever. Just bring her, but tell her you might ditch her. Then she has to compete to win you over at the party, and you can always leave when you feel the urge. But you should know better than to blatantly ask for sex.

I would never consider being that blatant, but she has demonstrated that she won't hesitate to resort to overt communication to get the point across.

The reason I posted this was to get opinions on this, because I'm not sure it's the right course of action.

I do believe, however, that if you knew this woman and the type of "say anything" open relationship we have it might change your perspective a bit.

I won't be "asking" for sex so much as i would be giving her first crack at it.

I do like your idea of planting the idea that I "might ditch her". The only thing is that we live within 5-10 minutes of each other and the party is about 20-30 minutes on the other side of town, so I don't want to be stuck with a whining c0ckblocker at 2am. It makes sense for us to ride together, thats why I would rather put her on the spot and get my answer up front.

The only downside is that i risk some ASD with such a direct approach.

 

[STR8UP]

If she does not give it up that night give her absolutely no more chances.

We must account for the 25% chance that she might be going through "that time of the month".

I already have my red wigs and I don't care to go for the medal

 

[STR8UP]

You're questioning whether or not she wants to f*ck you, yet you claim(you've been claiming), "you're out of the friends zone". ??? If you were truly out of the friend zone, you shouldn't be wondering. So what's really going on here? I'm not trying to pick on you man, but if you were really "in there" with this chick, you wouldn't be posting this.

I didn't say I was "in there" with this chick.

I can take it or leave it. But if she's going to force my hand (escalate sexuality) then it's time to call her on it.

I walk that thin line with several women. it works because even a little bit of sexual tension works in your favor when it comes to attracting OTHER women. But when a certain chick starts to "tease" I'm not going to sit around with a hard d!ck wondering what might happen.

 

[KontrollerX]

We must account for the 25% chance that she might be going through "that time of the month".

I already have my red wigs and I don't care to go for the medal

LMFAO, true true but you probably already know that this type is a pathological liar so it wouldn't be much of a stretch for this babe to pull the old but its my time of the month lie on you just to keep the old attention and string along game going just a little bit longer.

Anyway though you ever need any specific questions answered in relation to her feel free to fire me a PM anytime bro.

 

[STR8UP]

LMFAO, true true but you probably already know that this type is a pathological liar so it wouldn't be much of a stretch for this babe to pull the old but its my time of the month lie on you just to keep the old attention and string along game going just a little bit longer.

Anyway though you ever need any specific questions answered in relation to her feel free to fire me a PM anytime bro.

Trust me, I know the score with this chick. I pegged her as an AW before I even knew what that term meant.

But I also know that SOMEONE has to be fukking her, and I happen to know that she is feeling a bit distraught being between relationships.

She recently referred to me as one of her best friends, right before she started kissing on me.

One way or another I'm going to find out who I am really dealing with within the next month or so.

 

[Last Man Standing]

Just put the hor in a "head;lock" and take her down!!! No one else will notice since hors are always in a "down" position anyways!!!!

 

[ketostix]

My advice is to don't tell her you want to fvck her. I personally would drive her there if my plan was to fvck her. So I suggest agree to drive her there, then do your thing interacting with the other girls there. And if nothing pans out and she's still there at the end of the night. Drive her drunk azz home and put her to bed. You know what I mean. From reading your post about her I think you could've escalated and closed her a while ago. Just play this out and don't tell her your intentions until you're both alone then still don't tell her just go for it.

 

[juice veteran]

My advice is to don't tell her you want to fvck her. I personally would drive her there if my plan was to fvck her. So I suggest agree to drive her there, then do your thing interacting with the other girls there. And if nothing pans out and she's still there at the end of the night. Drive her drunk azz home and put her to bed. You know what I mean. From reading your post about her I think you could've escalated and closed her a while ago. Just play this out and don't tell her your intentions until you're both alone then still don't tell her just go for it.

i concur. i really wouldnt ask for sex, it smacks of desperation whatever way you play it. i am no expert of course, just my opinion.

 

[JustDoItAlways]

You don't outright verbalize that you two will be having sex with AWs.

It just gets their ASD into hyperdrive. They are used to leading guys on and then when the guy finally steps up and says "okay then, its on", they back off and push him away (with any one of a million excuses). This is their MO. She has been doing it for 23 years and she knows what she is doing.

For AWs, it is has to be spontaneous and it has to be VERY discreet (AWs don't want other people to know you are actually screwing her because it just scares away potential sources of attention - hinting is fine but AWs don't want other people to definitely know.)

AWs respond to competition and spontaneity. They also like to be the last one standing at a party and the last guy standing at a party has the best chance of laying them (if he also had lots of women attracted to him at the party.)

So, you take her to the party. You flirt with every chick there and you do not flirt with her. You occasionally talk to her but don't do it too much. You be the last man standing and when she seems absolutely desperate to get your attention after you gave it to every girl other than her at the party, you just push her up against the wall and say let's go have a drink at your place.

Then you escalate, make it seem spontaneous and push through her last minute AW-ASD. Next day, you be cool and don't talk about any long-term relationship.

With AWs, you just rinse-and-repeat this series of moves and you can lay them once a month or every few weeks. After all, AWs need sex too, this is how they get it.

 

[STR8UP]

I see exactly what everyone is saying, but it really isn't ASKING so much as it is TELLING her that "I'm gonna be fukking someone tonite, is it going to be YOU?" Basically saying "Put up or shut up".

With most women I wouldn't EVER consider being this forward, but with this one it might take her aback a little, but she wouldn't be completely shocked, as we talk about sex all the time.

From the responses here I think it might be wise to establish up front before we decide on driving arrangements if she's down to do the distance and stay for awhile. Like I said, it would piss me off to no end to be getting my groove on with another chick and have her wanting to go home. You can't ask for a more convenient c0ckblock, and I would have handed it to her on a silver platter.

Maybe I should make her take her own car, then I can escalate throughout the night depending upon what's going on with the OTHER women at the party. I can be whispering in her ear one minute and grabbing another chick's ass the next. Nothing like a little competition to amp things up!

Seriously....at these parties it's insanity....usually more girls than guys and there's ALWAYS competition for a few of us guys. It's actually quite entertaining.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

If she says "yes", situation resolved. If she says "maybe" or "no", she will get to watch me work a room where I'm da MAN. If it doesn't happen that night she might get one more chance, but after that if it doesn't happen, she's cut off. No more attention for the attention wh0re. What do you think?

What do I think? I think I'm gonna invite you to our next poker night and make sure you bring a lot of money with you so I can take it all away from you. You realize how long it's taken you to call a bluff like this, right?

STR8, what if the answer's "yes"? Then what? You bang her, then what? Do you honestly think a woman playing games like this with you would ever be worth the effort to form an LTR with? Even if this isn't a consideration now, do you think the sex that she's successfully made you wait for will be the experience of a lifetime? Will it have made all of this junior high school pinching and teasing worth lowering yourself for?

Here's some hypotheticals for you; what if the answer is "yes" and she fillibusters you again till the end of the night and the answer's back to "no"? "I'm sowy STR8, but I jus hada teensy bit too much to dwink by the end of the night, I pwomise I'll make it up to yooo *wink, wink, flutter, flutter*" Now lets say, you have sex with her after this, will it have been worth it?

How about if she says "yes" and there's a smoking hot HB there that's giving you IOIs the whole night, are you going to sarge or will you hold back to get the "sure thing"? Will the sex have been worth passing up that opportunity?

STR8 this AW is NEVER going to be worth what it's even cost you up to this point.

 

[cordoncordon]

I think you should give her a ride to the party (after all you are friends right?) But tell her ahead of time that she may need to get her own ride home if you hook up with someone there.

This way she is warned ahead of time that you may not be available to give her a ride home, AND it also gives her the idea that you are on the prowl for sex that night, so she knows you are up for that as well as knowing that you will be giving your attention to other women and that may give her that extra nudge she needs to spread the legs.

But besides that i would quit worrying about it.

 

[Bible_Belt]

We must account for the 25% chance that she might be going through "that time of the month".

Unless she is old enough to have already hit mentalpause.

 

[STR8UP]

You realize how long it's taken you to call a bluff like this, right?

It hasn't been long because it was only recently that things escalated to the point that she was outright "teasing" me, whether with the intention of following through or not. I've known her (off and on) for years, but it was pretty casual up until a little while ago.

STR8, what if the answer's "yes"? Then what? You bang her, then what? Do you honestly think a woman playing games like this with you would ever be worth the effort to form an LTR with? Even if this isn't a consideration now, do you think the sex that she's successfully made you wait for will be the experience of a lifetime? Will it have made all of this junior high school pinching and teasing worth lowering yourself for?

Believe it or not, I totally see your point.

But you really believe she made me wait for sex? I don't really see it that way. I haven't put her in a yes or no position.

Everything was innocent enough, and I didn't walk around with a hard on for her, but now she's upped the ante and although I could push it away I would rather lay it on the line and find out once and for all the outcome of this situation.

At this stage of the game maybe it's a pride thing or whatever, but as you have said before "intimacy issues must be resolved" before men and woman can truly be friends. No, I don't want a relationship with her. Maybe an occasional booty call if the sex is decent. It's just that then I have to be careful cause she's rapidly closing in on the end of the game, so who knows what her feelings would be on the subject.

A lot of the people assume I am fukking her, and my close friends who know I'm not are asking "WHy aren't you? You could be!" to which I respond "I can take it or leave it".

Now that she has overtly "moved things forward", if you will, I'm gonna put these "intimacy issues" to bed once and for all.

If I find out it's all a ruse....well guess what.....I won't say that I will never talk to her again, but the dynamic of the relationship will change, and I'll be damned if there will be any more grabbing my d!ck and talking dirty to me. We'll be taking about five steps back whether she likes it or not.

Here's some hypotheticals for you; what if the answer is "yes" and she fillibusters you again till the end of the night and the answer's back to "no"? "I'm sowy STR8, but I jus hada teensy bit too much to dwink by the end of the night, I pwomise I'll make it up to yooo *wink, wink, flutter, flutter*" Now lets say, you have sex with her after this, will it have been worth it?

If I were to throw it out there verbally and make her answer yes or no and she pulled something to this effect I don't think I would even want to associate with her anymore. That's just outright manipulation.

How about if she says "yes" and there's a smoking hot HB there that's giving you IOIs the whole night, are you going to sarge or will you hold back to get the "sure thing"? Will the sex have been worth passing up that opportunity?.

I don't think I'm gonna go the direct proposition route, and even if I did I wouldn't be hovering around her. She's as socially adept as they come and I'm pretty well liked (at least I hope!) with this whole crowd, so I will be making my rounds regardless.

So the short answer is "no", I won't be holding back anything regardless.

 

[STR8UP]

I think you should give her a ride to the party (after all you are friends right?) But tell her ahead of time that she may need to get her own ride home if you hook up with someone there.

This way she is warned ahead of time that you may not be available to give her a ride home, AND it also gives her the idea that you are on the prowl for sex that night, so she knows you are up for that as well as knowing that you will be giving your attention to other women and that may give her that extra nudge she needs to spread the legs.

But besides that i would quit worrying about it.

I like this idea....

And I'm not worried about it, I just like discussing it.

 

[STR8UP]

Rollo-

Initially you were on the other side of the fence about this.

It seems like when I said something about her preparing the couch for me that you changed your tune 180. I'm curious to know what it is that made you change your stance?

I would also like to know exactly how you would recommend me handling this woman now that she has chosen to get frisky? Stop talking to her? Tell her to keep her hands to herself?

It seems that you don't advocate even TRYING to have sex with her.

Like I said, she's pretty good looking, especially for her age.

Trust me, it's the "sow your wild oats" urge in me that is leading me in this direction, not the "let's settle down" urge.

I don't want to be played like a fiddle any more than the next guy, but with her stepping it up I feel like I HAVE to get resolution. Before I didn't think that way. Hang out, go home, talk to her a couple weeks later type thing.

I know I put myself in this with the whole male/ female friends thing. It comes with the territory and I'm fully prepared to accept that.

All in all this whole thing really isn't a big deal. I'm just curious to see how it plays out.