Her EX is coming to town

STR8UP

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STR8UP, you are rationalizing way too much here bro. You rationalized all this stuff about good girls cheating and now you're rationalizing her behavior by saying "well I didn't make her my girlfriend". This is really surprising coming from you.
I know it may be hard for everyone to believe, but rationalizing wasn't my objective when I started that thread. I was getting irritated with the number of people I see who refuse to acknowledge the REAL way most women are. Their need to feel that their woman is "different" overrides their bullsh!t detector.

I don't give a f*ck if a girl gives me a GF commitment. I want her to WANT to be with me, verbal commitment or not. If she WANTS to cheat but doesn't because she'll feel bad about it that's not enough.
Of course. That was one of my points in the "Good girls do cheat" thread. If she even WANTS to be with someone else she needs to go, period.

BUT........In the beginning stages of a relationship where the is no commitment, whether verbal, implied, or written in stone, it is a completely different story. She could have easily lied to me about the whole situation. I don't know where she lives and I've never met her family.

All this stuff about you not making her your girlfriend and her behavior being "ok" because of that, is pure nonsense. You have to look at what does she want to do and is that congruent with what you want.
Exactly. I have made it known to her that at this point I am not prepared to put the rest if my life aside for her. So how can I expect her to put her life aside for me? What I "want" is up in the air right now. So what she is doing isn't in conflict with what I want.

This is the period of time where you both need to resolve any issues you have that might keep you from moving forward. Once you have reached a deeper level in the relationship this kind of sh!t would be absolutely UNACCEPTABLE.

She wants to have her ex come over and sleep at her place with her family. She wants to wake up and have breakfast with him, she wants to f*ck him, she wants to spend quality time with him and her family. She is basically relegating you to the position of f*ck buddy on the side.
Yea, she is having her cake and eating it too. I can do the same. The thing is that I have basically turned her application down to this point, or at least put it on the back burner.

Commitment is not something you give. It has to do with feelings and should be natural, i.e. both of you feel like you only desire each other and don't want anyone else. Not some verbal contract....
In a way you are correct, but until you reach "that point" in a relationship there is a period of time in the beginning where you are in limbo. To be honest with you if we had continued to spend as much time together as we have been if this issue were to have come up a month from now things might be different. But as it stands now I can't justify myself getting into a tizzy over it.

You could have told her "hey baby, don't do it, I want to be exclusive", but it would not have changed anything. Its too late. She wants to have him over. And don't give me that crap about her being too nice to say no. That is pure bullsh*t and someone your age and with your level of experience should know better. Sorry dude, but come on.... you Gio suggested, you should have busted her right then and there.
You have a point. It is obvious that she DOES want him there. But I still stick to what I said initially.....at this point in time if I let myself get worked up over it then its my own problem. Hell, maybe it WILL bother me to the point that I call it off, I don't know.


She would have said "look dude, my ex is coming to town and he's asked to stay at my place. I don't want him to stay because I really want to be exclusive with you and don't feel any desire to rekindle anything with him; and I've told him so, therefore, you'd better take me out this weekend and buy me dinner sweattie....".
I think you and some of the others are still guilty of promoting a double standard. Personally, I am guilty of letting myself THINK in that way (hence, him coming to visit bothers me), but I try to let my rational mind override my emotions to try to find the best course of action. Blowing up over this and getting rid of her is a knee-jerk reaction designed to keep someone from getting hurt. It might be the best course of action, but I'm not yet convinced it is the best way to deal with this situation.

Do you really think that if you "gave" her the title of girlfriend, that she would treat this precious gift any differently? Seriously!
Yes, I believe it would be different.

I had a lengthy convo with her last night touching on this situation and plenty of other things.

She tells me that I'm "too much of a mystery" and that I "don't let my feelings show" enough. I have done a great job of amping up her attraction by applying lots of things a good little DJ would do.

The bad thing about keeping her guessing is that even if I DO feel something more for her than I let her believe, if I keep telling her that I don't want a commitment she has no assurance that her investment with me will go anywhere.

To be perfectly honest with you at this point I am not sure what I am going to do. One part of me wants to cut it loose and let her do her thing for now. I'm not really into this high school relatonship drama crap. I had a good idea what I was signing up for because she told me on our first date that this guy has been her b/f since early high school. The only relationship experience she has is the whole "break up and get back together a dozen times" bullsh!t because this is a carryover from when she was FIFTEEN freakin years old.

On the other hand I enjoy doing things with her. And the sex is OUT OF THIS WORLD. She has many of the qualities I desire in an LTR. I would hate to give it all up.
 

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STR8UP, when you got involved with this chick you had the whole situation by the short and curlies. Now it sounds like you're teetering on the edge of AFCdom.

I don't think you are being honest with yourself in this situation. I believe your feelings for her are greater than you think.

Walk away man. The same situation (good sex, someone you like to spend time with, etc.) exists somewhere else without the drama.

This is a perfect example of how a DJ can lose his edge very easily.
 

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STR8UP said:

The other day she tells me that her ex is planning a trip to visit her, and that he will be staying at her parents house (she lives there) if it all goes down.
Doesn't that sound rather cozy for someone that she see's only a couple of times a year?

- If this is an EX now, as in past tense, why is he staying with her and her folks? This smells of BF material to me

- The body of your post sounds like you are in somewhat control and all, like you are controlling the tempo by saying that you wish not to rush into things. Maybe things are not quite how you WISH to perceive them.

- Just maybe, this girl really loves the long distance dork and finds you available on a local basis

Yes STR8UP, you have shown remarkable composure, much more than what I would have shown.
 
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