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guys,
I have not come on here much lately because of various reasons. I have been experimenting with some tips and tricks and just trying to improve all aspects of my life. here is my problem.

There is this girl i like, let's call her Sheryl. I have known her for a year and a half now and until about 6 months ago, i wanted nothing from her other than friendship.

Time went by and i started to realize these feelings for her. I tried to ignore them, but i would dream at night about her. This would happen at least 3 times a week! I tried ignoring it; fooling around with random girls, saying she was just a friend, etc. but none of it worked. I finally decided to tell her how i felt.

This caught her completely off guard, she said she wanted to just be friends and nothing else. I then proceeded to date other girls over the summer to forget about her. By this time, she had told me i was one of her best friends. I found out at the end of the summer that i was going to be deployed to iraq(a medical kept me out). She was obviously heart broken and i accidentally let slip that i still had feelings for her(we were drinking a little bit)

We then had another talk, which ended the same way as before. I wasnt expecting a yes, and i dont know why i said it in the first place, but it happened.

I then proceeded over this semester to almost completely ignore her. I did not call her for a month because being around her would just upset me. This was in september.

Finally in November, i had this formal dance to go to(college function) and i decided to bring her because she was a good friend and i did not want to bring a random. I had a couple of girls i was looking forward to going out on a date with the following week.

Well, we went to this dance and had a blast. We ended up making out and talking for most of the night(fun times!) She even told me that she thought a relationship would work between the two of us. I talked to her the next day and we then had yet another talk. Obviously i am leaving out all of the cues i had been recieving every time i saw her before this so please do not assume that i was just following this girl around. She said it would be too wierd to do stuff.

I then thought that other things were affecting her decision and not me.

I called her out, saying she was too scared about negative consequences and trying to hide her true feelings. we then talked the next day and everything i had said was right. we have been close friends for a year and she has been going through a lot of tough times(deaths in the family, surgery, school, friends, an almost rape etc.) after that she has had a lot of problems trusting guys. For a month, she did not want a single guy giving her a hug. After our talk, she then initiated another overnight make out session. This all happened last week before thanksgiving break.

We then decided to hang out again this last saturday. We watched a couple of movies and she brought over a bottle of wine that took her over an hour to find(i guess it had to be perfect.) After the movies, we stayed up all night again fooling around. This girl is 20, and has only slept with 2 guys in her life, so it is very important to her. That is why this next part was so surprising. She actually tried to initiate sex, actually asking me if i wanted to. I told her no, it was too early, but she proceeded to try to anyways.

I am not going to brag guys, but out of the three times i have made out with her, i have given her multiple orgasms each night, from just kissing and a little grinding! I was surprised when she told me. I had never done that before

This leads me to now...
She has feelings for me. Whenever we hang out we have a great time, but whenever she goes home she always thinks about why it is not a good idea.(the possibility of losing one of her best friends) This is a smart girl, and she is definately no slut(hasnt had sex in 8 months). That is why i am being thrown off. All of the guys she had previously had sex with she seriously cared about. That is why when she asked on saturday it caught me off guard. Part of the problem is one of the guys was one of her close friends and she decided to date him, and he ended up ****ing her over(see the similarities?). All i want to know is what can i do to reassure her that this is a good thing.

You guys can all say i have oneitis or whatever, but i have dated other girls, and every time i come back to her. I have tried every way to get over this girl, but i can't do it. This site is about personal improvement, and all i know is that right now my life would be a lot better with her in it.

We have fantastic chemistry...she knows it and i do, and we get along great. She is just still not sure what she should do. I wouldnt be writing this email if i didnt think i had a great chance, but i want to know what you guys think i should do...
 

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Ok, so you at least recognize that people here are gonna tell you you have oneitis... because that's what this is.


I know you think this ONE girl is uber-special, but you have to game her as if you could care less, i.e. you don't game girls you "love" different than other girls (that's one of the main reasons why guys never get to be with their oneitis).

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The problem is that she is screening you.
You said no to sex, and got offered sex. Maybe if you (not her) said no to a relationship, you would get offered a relationship. Think of 1001 reasons why it would never work between you and her (this is what she spends time doing), and then spring them on her before she can on you. Then mix "we would never work" speeches with makeout sessions. The decision for her is emotional, not logical.

You are almost there. It is obvious that you are no afc. But your honesty and logic are hurting you.
 

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Thanks guys, i appreciate it. I have spent a lot of time working this girl(never giving her attention, not calling her, etc) But it is kind of hard when a girl says she will only sleep with a guy that she is in a relationship with and then asks for sex.

I have finally realized through all of this to never fully believe a girls words, but to believe her actions.

My problem is this: do i try to be serious when i say a relationship wouldnt work, or do i joke about it, trying to make her prove herself? I dont want to be serious, because she knows i am an honorable guy(after all she has went through lately, i am one of the only people that she trusts.) If i tell her a relationship wouldnt work, what is she going to do?

I feel she is on the ropes right now and whatever i do these next two weeks decides how she is going to react.

Also, i have never used the word "love" with this girl or any for that matter. I have never felt that way about anybody. All i know right now is i have a great connection with her, we get along great, and i can give her orgasms by kissing her neck, ears and stomach. It doesnt hurt that she is a great kisser too though.
 

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Keep up with the physical contact (in whatever form you can get it).

I'd probably do something similar to what Bible Belt suggested except that I wouldn't give her "we would never work" speeches. I'd go more along the lines of "I'm looking for that special girl"... or something like that. Giving her the impression that things would be so much better if there was some sort of relationship involved... and you aren't concerned if that is her or not.
 

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You've told her twice that you have feelings for her, and it has not gone well either time. Now you are thinking of telling her that you love her? Maybe you do, but telling her is not going to work. You are still trapped in male logic and thinking about all of the logical reasons for you and her to be together. But women, especially young ones, operate entirely on emotion. This is part of why mind games work and nice, "honest" guys finish last. I know, because I was one of those nice guys for too long. There is a girl I grew up with, similar story to yours. From 2000-2002, I professed my undying love for her, and it did not go well. She would lead me on and act interested, but as soon as I expressed interest in return, she was gone. It would be very logical for us to be together, but that does not matter. All that matters is her emotions. We have been conditioned by media and culture to think that all we have to do as men is say "I love you" and that hot flaky chick will instantly become ours forever. I made this mistake and scared away a woman I wanted. So learn from my mistake, and stick to the DJ way.
 

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You seem like a nice guy, so I'm not gonna flame your ass and actually be helpful for a second here.


The number one rule for a DJ should be :
Action speaks louder than words

Don't tell her how you feel, show her. You are a sexual being, it is encoded in your DNA as a man. Don't listen to all that dr Phil and Oprah emo crap. If you like her and you suspect she likes you, make your intentions shown by your actions.

Next time you are with her, try to isolate her, start some kino, go for the kiss and take it from there.
 

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again thanks for the info guys, but you are reading me wrong here.

I do NOT love this girl. I have never loved any girl before. I do not want to tell her i love her because that is completely not true, and if i did i think i would scare her away. I dont even like to talk about this stuff. i try to speak with my actions, and that is what i have been doing the last two weeks. What i want is something i can do to is convince her that us being together is the right thing. the last two times we have fooled around we have both been completely sober, and i dont know if it is true, but she told me she didnt expect us to be fooling around both times.

Obviously that is a complete lie and she wants me to chase her more.

I dont want to come off as needy for this girl because i am really not. I didnt talk to her for a month before and i was fine with it. That does not hide the fact that she is a great girl and i do want to be with her.

She is off and on right now(trying to get my attention and make me chase her, just like i have been doing).

I am pretty far out of the friend zone, but is there anything i could do with her to make her lose her doubt? i am already pursuing serious kino, but i was thinking of something fun that we could do alone(a walk, movie, etc.)

I personally feel i dont think there is any more i can really do right now other than continue to do what i am doing.

again, thanks a lot guys, it helps a lot
 
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