Help, i just can't be sociable...I just aint got any energy and im depressed

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I am at university and I recently changed halls because at my last hall i was surrounded by afc's that were funny people but definately not the sort of guys that get girls. I thought i would move into a hall where the corridors are mixed sex and that way i would be forced to talk to girls and would be forced to improve my social skills, the thing is that I just can't do it. I find myself sinking away from people as in this place everyone knows eachother and I know nobody, they probably think it's strange that i moved too, and the girls seem to have talked to me once or twice and then become weary of me...any help or comments would much be appreciated,

Tis is an exercize in comming out of my comfort zone, but my comfort zone is being surrounded by computer, dungeons n dragons playing peeps that just dont do my game any good at all.

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First meet the guys if the girls are still "scaring" you.

"Hey, my name is Scmitz and I am new around here"

small talk blahzay blahzay etc etc

"So whats the deal with the party scene around here? Where does all the CRAZY shyt happen?"

Just talk shyt with these dudes like you already know them.

Dont even THINK about getting laid right now.
TOo much pressure man..

Learn to appreciate meeting new people..it is the foundation of your game

Master the small talk first and then progress from there.
 

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You have to realize that people like to socialize and will appreciate your effort in getting to know them. Just be friendly and confident. Nooby gave great advice...
 

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What your asking here is like never being in a fight and then saying "Hey, how do I beat up this guy that's harassing me?". You don't. You gotta take your lumps first. You gotta try to kick his a$$ and then probably get your a$$ kicked. You keep on getting your a$$ kicked until you are the one kicking a$$.

Are you afraid that your gonna try to be social and then you'll just say something wicked stupid or alienating to those your speaking to? Are you afraid you'll look like an idiot trying to fit in? Guess what? You will. Your gonna say stupid uncool 5hit, do stupid uncool 5hit, and look wicked stupid and uncool...... for a while.

The ones that eventually end up mastering the art of charisma are the ones that bravely jump in front of the steamroller and get flattened. Yes I mean flattened man. Total and utter humiliation. The old adage of what doesn't kill you makes you stronger really applies well to the social realm. In my opinion you have to be arrogantly brave and know that your gonna fall flat on your face. Who cares? That's how you learn. The thing to remember is no matter how stupid you look, feel, or act, that your still allowed to maintain dignity. You do this by not being a pushover. The greatest men ever to walk the earth were wrong a lot, or looked stupid at times. What separated them from the rest is that they made it known to themselves and everyone around them that this was completely normal, and part of being human. Everyone makes mistakes.

I also have another little something for ya. Maintaining dignity through hostile unfamiliar terrain is very much like wily coyote walking off a cliff. he doesn't fall unless he looks down. Go out and make your mistakes. Hold off on assessing your mistakes until your alone. Never act like a vulnerable pee on. NEVER act vulnerable no matter what mistake you make. It's not your fault your just human. Trial and error. People will be a$$holes to you cause you'll say and do stupid 5hit. Ignore them and make sure to maintain confidence. People like this are trying to send you a message that your not cut out for the cool crowd, or hanging out with someone as cool as they are. What they really mean is I see an opportunity to boost my ego by putting you down.

You can't learn how to fit in unless you try to be in. So go in and observe the in crowd so that you can eventually be sought after company. It's not gonna happen overnight but you'll see good results within a couple months. Confidence is the most important factor. Go in with your head high.
 

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Originally posted by Rondavu
What your asking here is like never being in a fight and then saying "Hey, how do I beat up this guy that's harassing me?". You don't. You gotta take your lumps first. You gotta try to kick his a$$ and then probably get your a$$ kicked. You keep on getting your a$$ kicked until you are the one kicking a$$.

Are you afraid that your gonna try to be social and then you'll just say something wicked stupid or alienating to those your speaking to? Are you afraid you'll look like an idiot trying to fit in? Guess what? You will. Your gonna say stupid uncool 5hit, do stupid uncool 5hit, and look wicked stupid and uncool...... for a while.

The ones that eventually end up mastering the art of charisma are the ones that bravely jump in front of the steamroller and get flattened. Yes I mean flattened man. Total and utter humiliation. The old adage of what doesn't kill you makes you stronger really applies well to the social realm. In my opinion you have to be arrogantly brave and know that your gonna fall flat on your face. Who cares? That's how you learn. The thing to remember is no matter how stupid you look, feel, or act, that your still allowed to maintain dignity. You do this by not being a pushover. The greatest men ever to walk the earth were wrong a lot, or looked stupid at times. What separated them from the rest is that they made it known to themselves and everyone around them that this was completely normal, and part of being human. Everyone makes mistakes.

I also have another little something for ya. Maintaining dignity through hostile unfamiliar terrain is very much like wily coyote walking off a cliff. he doesn't fall unless he looks down. Go out and make your mistakes. Hold off on assessing your mistakes until your alone. Never act like a vulnerable pee on. NEVER act vulnerable no matter what mistake you make. It's not your fault your just human. Trial and error. People will be a$$holes to you cause you'll say and do stupid 5hit. Ignore them and make sure to maintain confidence. People like this are trying to send you a message that your not cut out for the cool crowd, or hanging out with someone as cool as they are. What they really mean is I see an opportunity to boost my ego by putting you down.

You can't learn how to fit in unless you try to be in. So go in and observe the in crowd so that you can eventually be sought after company. It's not gonna happen overnight but you'll see good results within a couple months. Confidence is the most important factor. Go in with your head high.
Exellent advice! I had simular problems being social when I was a kid. I was always the quite one and I never said much. Finally, in High School, I started to slowly take more social risks. I started cracking jokes at just the right times(I have always been good a my timing). Acting and music really helped, because it forced me to get on stage, either on my own or with an ensemble.
You just got to stop testing the waters and junp in. Start slow, but gradually you will get better.
 

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The catch 22 is that confidence is itself the breeding ground for more confidence. So how do you get confidence if you have none to begin with? The big secret is that you fake it for a while. You present what it is to be confident. You emulate it. You put your head inside the mask. You test drive the car. If you do this you'll be a confidence factory in no time. You'll find yourself telling other people how to make it. You'll have so much you'll be giving it away!
 

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Originally posted by Rondavu
The catch 22 is that confidence is itself the breeding ground for more confidence. So how do you get confidence if you have none to begin with? The big secret is that you fake it for a while. You present what it is to be confident. You emulate it. You put your head inside the mask. You test drive the car. If you do this you'll be a confidence factory in no time. You'll find yourself telling other people how to make it. You'll have so much you'll be giving it away!
I know Rondavu is trying to help, and that's cool, and he's got the idea for a change.... but it ain't about faking it... it's true about confidence manifesting to more confidence.... but one should never have to fake anything. That's like lying to yourself, which unless you are a damn good liar, you will most times than not, come off as a phoney. ....what you should do is take a look at yourself.... step out... how do you dress, how do you stand, ultimaltey present yourself? ...are you funny, are you quiet, shy, aggressive? ....then figure out what can you do to be more attractive, to YOU! ...because if you don't find yourself attractive, no one will, no one..... so, my suggestion is do a complete overhaul of your style...but don't start by faking it... be for real. You will not only be more pleased, but you will realized later that, faking it was never your style, and you couldn't fake it, if your life depended on it. ;)

Hey Shnitz, I almost forgot to mention.... good idea on the move bro... you knew what you needed to do to get this started, and you did it... now you are forced into a situation where you will have to confront females from time to time.. that's gooood.

Talk to them... they ain;t going to bite you.... here's soemthing to remember dude... most women/girls/females are insecure. Even the most drop dead knockouts are insecure.... probably MORE than you... it may be hard to believe but it's true... so when you go up to one, just remember, you ain't trying to do anything but "getting to know your neighbors." ;) .....everyone goes thru this at one time in their lives or another.... talking to women, is kinda like dancing dude.... once you try it, it ain't so bad, do it enough, pretty soon, everyone wants to get with you.... but it takes that first step..... got to say 'f*ck it!' ..and just do it bro....

because it's better to have tried, then regret not trying later....

Iknew a bud who was affraid to talk to chics..... he just was too nervous, to shy..... I said 'DUDE! ..sooner or later, you are going to have to talk to them.... and once you do, you never get them to shut up but that's down the road a bit.. talk to them!' ...sure enough, he walked up to a fine honey, and opened hismouth.... I thought to myself 'I should have told him to start low, and work up... crawl first, then run... he won't stand a chance with this chic... poor son of a b*tch.' ...but he and her hit it off, and they are still dating today! :)
 
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Well I know we all don't wanna admit we've acted confident when we weren't, but everyone has done it at one time or another. I think maybe you've just been so confident for so long now ladiesman that maybe you don't remember that time. I also see how some people could have been naturally confident their whole lives from lack of being knocked down a peg since a very young age. Maybe that's you, but most people enter the realm of socializing with reservations. When they do this they fake it for a bit since they have no friggin clue what the hell they're doing. Other than that I thought you made some excellent points.
 

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1- Get more confidence. You know what to do, and confidence will let you do it.

2- Work out, change your wardrobe. Be more desirable. The results will show up by themselves.

Go out there and attract them like a magnet.
 

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Its all your fault.

The key to confidence is to realize that its all your damn fault.

Sure that may seem harsh but look at the facts.

1) you had friends but you thought they too AFC
2) you move out on them and find you have no friends
3) you find you are AFC
4) you are not happy with this result
5) you try and forget that its your fault.

This still sounds harsh. But the optimistic part is that its your own damn fault. You made your reality. You are capable of making a different reality that suits you better!!!!!!

OK simple strategy.

Your new friends didn't take to you right away, possibly cause you came from AFC dorm possible cause you moved and are new kid on block. So far no problem. But you wanted them to welcome you with open arms......PROBLEM!!!!!!! DANGER.....DANGER.....etc

Start by accepting that you are not part of their social circle. You now need a circle of your own. Go hang out with your old friends if you have connections there. Trust me the guy who is gone all the time and only comes back to study makes all the girls wonder who he is off having fun with.

Smile and be friendly but convey the impression that you have places to go and people to see and that they have to understand that you can't talk to them all day etc. Find guys their that have the same hobbies that you have. This is hard in school cause you often don't have time to develope new hobbies and are stuck with the ones you have.....talk sports.

Find a girl that you can be seen with back at your dorm. You know someone you are doing a project with and you just need to go back to your dorm and get something etc. Someone who you don't want to **** and she knows you don't want to **** her but she is single...etc. Then show up with another girl etc. 2-3 girls and you will have enough social proof that the girls will calm down.

Basically if they think you are a nerd/AFC you counter with actions suited to someone socially superior. Remember though socially superior people are never ever ever asssholes.
 

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well let me just congratulate you dude for showing some initiative and getting youself out of your comfort zone!

=) well done to you! the hardest step is actually changing a routine (in your case your usual trip down the old hall of D&D and AFCs) and that's a good step...

ok so your problem is that you think you lack social skills... ok well dude honestly if you didnt have any you'd seriously wouldnt be able to walk outside... lol

what you need to do is just make eye contact with people and just say Hi... if you want you can just go up to a group of people and just introduce yaself... remember in you situation people want to meet people... the whole UNI atmosphere is diff to any other (in my experiance it has been) so people will always be willing to talk to you (occasionally you have ppl wid a bad mood bad day who just want no convos) DON'T forget to smile and make eyecontact when talking to people... shows that you're confident and also a friendly person

ok so you're depressed about you thinking you have no social skills? this usually works for me... think of a happy or proud moment moment and just remember how fvcken happy you were at that point in time.... because when you talk to lets say a chick you would normally avoid or just say Hi even to them, you'll have the same feeling pumped into you... and it will basically just snowball and give you enough power to just talk to about anyone!

good luck and just say Hi to as many people as you can... like i said... the first step is the hardest... after that it's downhill =)
 

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Rondavu is right on the money.

As a starting point, I would suggest taking a beginning acting class to get over looking like a fool. Believe me you will be forced to act like a fool in front of a bunch of other people. It does make you alot more comfortable with it though.
 

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u need ecstacy man, or to read weapons of mass seduction
 

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Play your own game. Put your hobbies and interests first, and instead of looking like a fraidy cat, mind your own business. Trust me. People can smell a poser from a mile away. So quit trying to fit in with them and maked them fit in with you!
 

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People can smell a poser from a mile away.
That's a shame. A real poser can be defined as a bad intentioned pragmatist. This is the person that acts nice to your face but not behind your back. I don't think anyone that's not doing any backstabbing is a poser. Politicians are posers. Con artists are posers. People just trying to fit in are NOT posers, and should be embraced to some degree. Unfortunately some people classify them as posers and treat em bad. I guess that's a society flaw. It's a real shame.
 

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I totally agree with Rondavu.

To start out go watch the movie Oceans 11 or anything with Denzel Washington in it and watch their body language, posture, attitude, facial expressions, everything about them and start doing it yourself. It doesnt matter if its totally fake. Just do it and do it all the time. You dont have to talk to anyone, approach any girls or make any conversation yet, just start acting the part and get comfortable in it for 3 or 4 weeks.

When I first started doing this myself it took me a few weeks to realize that this "new me" is me. Its the same person Ive always been and wanted to be but I was just too afraid and nervous to come out in the open and be somebody.

And when the time does come to make conversation, dont worry about what to say, just focus on how your saying it with your body language, voice tone and attitude.

Let your confidence do the talking.
 

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I was in a similar situation. I was fairly quiet...and non sociable.

Then I started to improve myself thru this site and getting experience in the real world.

I told myself...everything in my life is the way it is because of me.
I am responsible if I am happy, sociable, getting laid, or whatever.
No one else has affected my life...it's just the way I perceive it.

There was good advice here...start small...talk with anyone and everyone. Just say "Hi, how's it goin?" No need to make then laugh or have great long interesting convo with.

Another piece of advice. I used to get so pissed when I made mistakes socializing with people. Now, when I make a mistake, I learn from it. Ï don't sit and analyze much on it....I say next time I will do it differently. Even after that it takes me many attempts to correct my mistakes. But I don't get pissed about it...I think to myself...I am improving and mistakes are a part of the process.

If you want to improve then you will. It will just take along time.
You've realized your problem...now force yourself to solve it.
 

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Don't burn your bridges...

You should try motivate your old friends to be DJ-ish. You should give your peers a little bit of social pressure. That way you will easily develop leadership skills...you won't be playing "catch up" with them.

The most important thing with DJing is to feel confident about yourself...your lazyness can be seen as being laidback...your quitness can be seen as good listening skills...your lack of social presence can be seen as mystery...you see you have to repect yourself if you wish for others to respect you.
 
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Originally posted by The_Shnitz

Tis is an exercize in comming out of my comfort zone, but my comfort zone is being surrounded by computer, dungeons n dragons playing peeps that just dont do my game any good at all.

Help
So step OUT of the comfort zone and learn something new. Like social skills. Stop being so afraid of failing. Not because you're going to succeed every time, but because YOU ARE going to fail, it's inevitable.

Whether you face it with your eyes open and learn from the experience or you just sit in your comfort zone and rot away until your life is one big failure...that's entirely up to you.

You wanted to be FORCED into socializing. That's not good enough. Stop putting it on other people to bring you into that environment. Take responsibility for yourself, grab a hold of your bootstraps, and get out there.

Sh!t, you know basic convo skills. TRY something. FAIL. Make someone laugh at you. Learn from it. Stop holding onto your comfort zone. Nothing there but emptiness and decay. Neither living nor dead. Neither succeeding nor failing. Go EXPERIENCE.

Sticking feathers up your ass does not make you a chicken.
 

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Re: Re: Help, i just can't be sociable...I just aint got any energy and im depressed

Originally posted by squirrels


You wanted to be FORCED into socializing. That's not good enough. Stop putting it on other people to bring you into that environment. Take responsibility for yourself, grab a hold of your bootstraps, and get out there.



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You know what, you are right, and i think moving into this new hall is kind of a forced situation, the people here are all in their own small cliques and i am really extra to requirements. Im thinking that the situation i am in is not the best one to advance my skills. The people here all talk to eachother easily because they have known eachother for so long and i am trying to hang out with people just for the sake of hanging out. Well you know what, it doesnt seem to be working and i cant be myself here. This has not been the correct way to meet new people i think, so what i am thinking is i should move back to my old hall and join a **** load of clubs and societies because at least then the people will actually want to meet new people and there will be something in common to talk about. Moving back seems to be the right way to go...Also, i don't think that girls are into being hit on etc by guys in their own hall, you see people too much and friendship seems to be the way it will go. But im going to give it a few more days and if i am still feeling ****ty and rejected then i must move back.
 
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