Help Another Man: Put A Woman In Her Place

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Attention wh0re. Gold digger. These are terms we men have come to know most usually through bad experiences. Most of us have been dumped and tossed aside by one of these women, and many of men come out of it with bitter opinions of the bunch. What you may not be aware of is the power men have over this anomaly. How easy it is for men, collectively, to turn these women so free with options into humble little b-tches willing to second guess their own strategy with the next man they meet.

Let me lay out a specific setting to give a example. Tonight I had greeted woman casually and light heartily, as I usually do. Right off of the bat we had a very humorous and sarcastic conversation. I jokingly told her that I was mentally retarded, drooled and often liked to wear a tutu. Of course, she played along, and for several minutes we had quite a few laughs.

Eventually, the novelty of the approach faded and we began to discuss more serious things. She had asked me specifically, "Besides being a smart ass, what else do you have going for you?". I replied with the usual, normal BS. Good job, independent, not a desperate clinger, several long term friendships with women (to show I was capable of it) and so forth. Honestly, the question itself seemed somewhat archaic to me and I asked if she wanted to know something specific.

She replied, "Yeah, what do you do at your 'good job'? (quoted on purpose, said as if I didn't actually have a good job) and the difference between clinger and desperate clinger would be? And could you give me directions to six flags?"

My response? "Well, I monitor two story chemical reactors for the specialities division of a global petro company based out of France. We supply many of the raw materials that companies like Boeing and GM use in their production processes. At least I think it's a good job. Desperate is an adjective and used to more exemplify clinger. And which six flags specifically? There are several of them."

After I had said this, I could see a gleam in her eyes. Almost as if she knew she hit the jackpot. And it was no surprise to me when she responded, "Oh... I'm not too fussed with which six flags. take your pick!"

That's when I said good night and walked away.

The point here is that this b-tch learned a lesson tonight. She had become so obsessed with eliminating men that once she came across a man that "qualified" with such a test, she was rejected harshly. She was left standing alone. I guarantee you this girl will ease up on her BS the next time she meets a man. What I did tonight will help another fellow man several nights from now. That is the power of men. And men are very capable of achieving this. We are naturally a chummy bunch and can get along fairly well fairly soon. Women are not like this at all.

Band together. That's the bottom line. Don't put up with this BS. Set up the next man in line. That's your job if you don't score it yourself. Always remember that.
 

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I'm not sure her being impressed by your job is "grounds for dismissal" but I love that outlook. Unselfish righteousness that doesn't get in the way of your own goals.
 

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You want to know exactly what turned me off? It was the fact that I knew exactly what six flags she was talking about, but she decided to say that any one I choose is fine with her. As if I would drag her ass all over the continent to have fun.

And just between you and I, my job description is inflated. I always do this. Although every single word of what I said is the truth, I do in fact sweat like a pig at work. It's not a white collar job at all, but I do make good money and I know how to make it sound good. I also wasn't 100% certain what an adjective was, to be honest. :D
 

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Wow you are so wrong dude. She was flirting with you and you dumped her. She asked what else you have going for you (qualifier) and you told her some stuff and then asked if she specifically wanted to know something. So she responded by asking you three random and fun questions. True the first was a qualifier to see that you aren't a bum with no direction. The second was another qualifier to see if you aren't a clingy guy, and the six flags question was a qualifier to see if you have a sense of fun humor. You should have given her directions to a six flags on the other side of the country. "Oh yeah so basically you want to go left out of this bar, and follow that for about 30 hours, then your gonna have to swim up river for a little bit and you should end up right at six flags wherever"

Way to shut down a girl for no reason. Mysoginist much?

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Hey Jackman, I appreciate your mindstate and the message of this thread. But, upon first reading of your example, I didn't quite understand why you felt it necessary to drop the convo you were having with that girl. I actually had to deeply analyze the conversation and try to look at it from different perspectives to actually finally recognize why you felt she was being a bltch to you.

When I first read that convo, what that girl was saying sounded to me what I consider the equivalent to female ****y & funny, which I have encountered before and normally has been a GOOD sign, not a bad one. She called you a smartass upfront, for example, which from my past experience normally means that you have thus far hit her with a thick amount of sarcasm and she's been enjoying it.

Then you respond to her qualifying questions EXTREMELY well, to the point where I'm convinced it would have been easy, smooth sailing for you if you had just stuck around.

Now I know your logic for doing what you did, because you didn't like her approach. But the type of approach she displayed is VERY common when dealing with a guy who the female perceives as very sarcastic/witty, and is her way of feeding that perceived wittiness further. If you had approached her in a more serious way initially, I'm sure her approach to qualifying you would have been much different.

Anywho, like I said I admire your reasoning for shutting a rude female down, but I personally don't think the example mentioned above exemplifies such a female.

Just my two cents.
 

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I don't see that at all. I see it as Jackman had expectations for a girl, she didn't live up to them, he thought she was AFC, so he moved on.

Maybe his standards are higher than yours, or maybe he reacted partially on "vibe" and hasn't really put it into words, yet.

In the meantime, the next time that girl is talking to a guy maybe she'll give less stupid-souding responses and save that next guy from being unimpressed. Improving their game can only improve ours. : )
 

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The thing that bothers me is that she started qualifying you thereby putting you in a position of defending yourself and having to prove your "worthiness". That's why I was delighted to see that you rejected her.

Wouldn't it have been a good idea to turn the tables and force her to qualify herself to you? I'm not sure how you would have done that, but one things' for sure...I NEVER persue a conversation where I find myself qualifying myself to a woman. It seems to me the tables have to be turned, and fast, when that happens.
 

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The convo would be bad if she was qualifying him the whole time, but you can't just expect that the whole thing is about you qualifying her, interactions don't work that way. It is 50/50

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Jackman, first things first. The girl is not a b!tch. She is accustomed to men qualifying themselves to her, so she acted according to her own reality. Secondly, by actually taking her questions seriously, you jumped through her hoops. Luckily for you, you had an impressive-sounding answer, but you still jumped. its like a girl asks you "What makes you worthy of being my date for the evening?" No matter how great your answer is, you are affirming the unstated proclamation that your worth is in question. My reply?

"(Laughing) What gives you the right to qualify me as though I need your approval? You are attractive, but barely know you, I have yet to form an impression of you. So why don't you tell me what makes you different from the rest of the pack, and then I will answer your questions."
 

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I think you may be a bit paranoid and judged her too negatively too quickly!

Besides, just because a woman appreciates a successful man doesn't mean she wants a cut of his money. Success is attractive and shows you can fend for yourself.

I have been suckered by a gold digger so I know what repeat patterns to look for, but I think you jumped the gun in this case. At least wait until she asks you to buy her something or starts hinting about wanting something, but not having the money to buy it.
 

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True the first was a qualifier to see that you aren't a bum with no direction. The second was another qualifier to see if you aren't a clingy guy, and the six flags question was a qualifier to see if you have a sense of fun humor.

You see, that's one of the disadvantages of web sites like this: you're not feeling it and hearing it, you're just reading it. You're wrong on all three counts. Here's why:

Basically, the cost of living here is high. People move in from other parts of the country, make maybe 65K on average and think they are doing well, so naturally that's what they tell people. And naturally, that's what a lot of women hear men say to them. But many women here don't agree and will write a guy off for making less than 80K. So when you take that fact about this city and the nature of women in it, and then inject the way she very sarcastically took a swipe at my "good job" quote, I knew she wasn't asking to see if I was a bum. She wanted to know if I was in the upper bracket. It had taken me a while to learn the difference between a woman that just wanted to know if I was doing well and one that wanted to know exactly how well. This one wanted to know how well. She was a money girl. Trust me.


The second question had nothing to do with "clingy" whatsoever. If she wanted to test me to see if I was clingy or not, she would have asked some type of situational question. She was taking a jab at my selection of words. This was an intelligence test, which is a common thing talking to women around here since so many of them have degrees and absolutley love to make that crystal clear.

As far as testing me on having a "sense of fun humor", as you say, well, all of the joking and laughing previously in the approach pretty much established that already, and by the time this part of the conversation came around it was getting old. Too much joking around at this point would have been overkill. This was a question to see how well I got around, and answering in a funny way would not have been a good idea. This is why I specifically answered "Which one?". I knew what she wanted to know and I gave it to her.

Keep in mind that there was nothing fun, quirky and playful about the tone of this particular part of the conversation. It was sort of pretentious. She didn't get friendly again until I answered the questions "correctly".

You know what? I just didn't like that. Period. I don't care if you guys think I was wrong or not. I thought she was shallow. So I walked. I don't care if you guys think I was jumping through hoops by answering those questions. I found out what I needed to know and saved my time. There are thousands of women just like her everywhere I go in this city. If I wanted to stick around and play that game, I would have rather done it with a more attractive girl. Or maybe one with a little sweeter disposition. So I let this girl watch someone she was interested in walk away.

I certainly don't hate women. I just think some of them need to be brought a little closer to earth. That's all.
 
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Jackman said:
You see, that's one of the disadvantages of web sites like this: you're not feeling it and hearing it, you're just reading it. You're wrong on all three counts. Here's why:

Basically, the cost of living here is high. People move in from other parts of the country, make maybe 65K on average and think they are doing well, so naturally that's what they tell people. And naturally, that's what a lot of women hear men say to them. But many women here don't agree and will write a guy off for making less than 80K. So when you take that fact about this city and the nature of women in it, and then inject the way she very sarcastically took a swipe at my "good job" quote, I knew she wasn't asking to see if I was a bum. She wanted to know if I was in the upper bracket. It had taken me a while to learn the difference between a woman that just wanted to know if I was doing well and one that wanted to know exactly how well. This one wanted to know how well. She was a money girl. Trust me.


The second question had nothing to do with "clingy" whatsoever. If she wanted to test me to see if I was clingy or not, she would have asked some type of situational question. She was taking a jab at my selection of words. This was an intelligence test, which is a common thing talking to women around here since so many of them have degrees and absolutley love to make that crystal clear.

As far as testing me on having a "sense of fun humor", as you say, well, all of the joking and laughing previously in the approach pretty much established that already, and by the time this part of the conversation came around it was getting old. Too much joking around at this point would have been overkill. This was a question to see how well I got around, and answering in a funny way would not have been a good idea. This is why I specifically answered "Which one?". I knew what she wanted to know and I gave it to her.

Keep in mind that there was nothing fun, quirky and playful about the tone of this particular part of the conversation. It was sort of pretentious. She didn't get friendly again until I answered the questions "correctly".

You know what? I just didn't like that. Period. I don't care if you guys think I was wrong or not. I thought she was shallow. So I walked. I don't care if you guys think I was jumping through hoops by answering those questions. I found out what I needed to know and saved my time. There are thousands of women just like her everywhere I go in this city. If I wanted to stick around and play that game, I would have rather done it with a more attractive girl. Or maybe one with a little sweeter disposition. So I let this girl watch someone she was interested in walk away.

I certainly don't hate women. I just think some of them need to be brought a little closer to earth. That's all.
You are definatley right, I can only read your words and I can't hear them and feel them. So wrong of me to say you were wrong for leaving, besides you are the prize anyways and she fvcked up.

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Jackman you failed. I'll tell you everything that made you sound weird.

1. Why the **** did you start trying to prove yourself in the first place? If she asked you that question you should of just made fun of her off that question, tease her about wanting your money, etc.

2. Why would you mention something like not being a desperate clinger? By saying that you just sound weird. (Never talk about this sh!t with women.) You should have flirted back about her being a clinger.

3. Why would you tell her you have had friendships with women? Everybody with a life has friendships with women. That's like saying.. "Well.. I'm so great. I eat everyday. Look at me."

4. She was bothered by the fact you obviously had no social clue. Her eyes lit up at the fact you actually had some sort of +. You make lots of money.

You did not have to walk away but if that's what you wanted to do because she wanted your money that's your choice that part makes sense.
 

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Jackman, I think you explaining how she acted when she asked the questions make it that much clearer what this girl was doing. Only you know what you are looking for exactly and this women might have played you wrong. Sure her approach would have worked on someone else, just not you. I think you handled the situation correctly because you knew what she was ultimately after. Stop the shyt early on and you will not deal with it later.

Besides, would it be nice if you could meet a person and some the questions be left out.
 

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Jariel said:
I think you may be a bit paranoid and judged her too negatively too quickly!

Besides, just because a woman appreciates a successful man doesn't mean she wants a cut of his money. Success is attractive and shows you can fend for yourself.
Jackman is right. Jariel, uh, come on. If you believe what you wrote, you've much to learn. But you will, I promise that. He is not denying success is attractive, he is questioning the motive. See the difference?
 

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stop letting gold digging tramps get the best of you and make you worry.
dont give them the time of day, really.
wanna put a gold digging tramp in her place, walk away.
 

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Bvbidd said:
Jackman you failed. I'll tell you everything that made you sound weird.

1. Why the **** did you start trying to prove yourself in the first place? If she asked you that question you should of just made fun of her off that question, tease her about wanting your money, etc.

2. Why would you mention something like not being a desperate clinger? By saying that you just sound weird. (Never talk about this sh!t with women.) You should have flirted back about her being a clinger.

3. Why would you tell her you have had friendships with women? Everybody with a life has friendships with women. That's like saying.. "Well.. I'm so great. I eat everyday. Look at me."

4. She was bothered by the fact you obviously had no social clue. Her eyes lit up at the fact you actually had some sort of +. You make lots of money.

You did not have to walk away but if that's what you wanted to do because she wanted your money that's your choice that part makes sense.
It is always the motive of the question that is more important than the question itself. One woman may ask what I do for a living simply for fluff talk while another as if it is the only thing that matters. I'm not going to know until I answer the question and gauge the response; until I take in the context of the situation. In my opinion, avoiding questions only puts off the discovery of why it was asked to begin with. It just so happens that if I fail such tests, I'm turned off by the woman anyway. So who cares? Why beat around the bush?

Besides, a lot of women around here are very successful. It is entirely likely to come across a few here and there that make double what I make. I could be making a fool of myself by bringing up the subject of women and my money, even jokingly, and the last thing I want to sit and listen to is the righteous banter of a powerful woman going off on some feminist rant.

As for the rest, it doesn't really matter. It was a loaded question. Every answer is the wrong answer because no matter what you say it's narcissism. So I tossed in some benign responses. Big deal. Who's eyes lit up? Who was interested and who walked? It wasn't a failure at all. Failure is when you don't get what you want.

Anyway, the entire point here isn't to psychoanalyze what I did with this one particular woman. I'm not here to ask what went wrong with the situation. The point is that right now SHE should be the one asking herself and/or others that exact same question.
 
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