Hell no B*&ch!

[Trump]

I think what happened was, she said "No sex tonight." with her words, but her actions (making out with you earlier, then going with you to your bedroom and making out and touching, etc) were saying she wanted you. Then by responding logically, you FORCED her to come up with a rationalization for her token resistance. You basically called her false bluff, then she felt cornered and had to come up with a false rationalization for a statement she probably didn't mean.

In being too eager you pass up opportunities or push away women who are very interested. IF she had been misbehaving and treating you badly, THEN I would applaud you for not dealing with her b.s. and kicking her out. Because I think men should have high standards for the behavior of their women. In this case, I think she was saying she wanted you with her body and her actions, put up some fake, token resistance to ease her own temporary, momentary guilt for what she was about to do in the bedroom with you, then you felt the need to explain yourself and forced her to come up with some, any kind, of explanation. You flipped out because you were in a weak frame of mind and wrongly perceived her behavior as some form of disrespectful game-playing and gave her the boot.

When she says "no sex tonight." you are assuming the girl is thinking all that and actually wants sex? Those words cannot be treated any other way other than game playing. As soon as she says "no sex tonight" she's got him by the midsection.

"No sex tonight" -> they don't have sex like she wants. She tells her friends "look how much power I have...I got him into his bedroom and then made fun of him.

"No sex tonight" -> they end up having sex. She could always claim rape and his life is turned upside down. I told him no sex...he forced himself on me.

That sentence can be interpreted so many ways...all to increase her value. I think he did right to kick her out, can't make fun of the guy. Make fun of your friends and coworkers, but not a guy wanting to sleep with you.

 

[incognito42]

Of course I'm making assumptions, I wasn't in the room with him with his girl. You're making assumptions too. Only difference is my assumptions are based off of experience with plenty of women, not POF trash.

Lol I didn't make any assumptions nor I'd I tell him what he should've done as if I knew what she was thinking. I gave an example of a similar situation I had recently, but in no way did I act like I knew how EVERY girl in this situation is thinking, as you did

And youre right, I have no actual experiences with "real" women lol...AND pof chicks arent real humans anyways I guess you're saying lol

What's your next argument, "Oh yea!? Well let's pull out our dycks and measure to see who's right" lol

 

[JohnChops]

If you want to do all that work for a doofus, I would say go for it JohnChops, as for myself I have other plates to spin.

What? I just told you what you did wrong .... Thats fine that you have other plates thats the point. No need for an attitude. Its not a lot of work lol its everything you learn here. Logic kills attraction you better learn that or you will never get far with women.

 

[Aristippus]

To address what Trump said....

To avoid any misunderstandings. I am not suggesting that a man force himself on a woman. I am saying if you're both making out and she says "We can kiss but no sex.", then I'm content just kissing. If that's all that happens, I'm happy. If she says "Just kissing, but no sex.", and you kiss and continue kissing and she starts getting really turned on and touching your body and then starts grabbing your crotch and unzipping your pants, what are you going to do, stop her?

I think you get the point. This kind of scenario happens more often than you might think. But the key here is when she says she doesn't want sex, then when it comes to the sex part, you simply let her be the aggressor. She's already shown that everything short of sex is ok. So you enjoy kissing and use kissing and touching to turn her on. Then leave it up to HER to initiate sex.

Just clarifying things in case there was a misunderstanding.

 

[SgtSplacker]

I would rather a girl leave my house because I keep making passes at her, rather than because I kicked her out.

 

[zekko]

"No sex tonight" -> they don't have sex like she wants. She tells her friends "look how much power I have...I got him into his bedroom and then made fun of him.

There's no indication here that she was looking to make fun of him. Anyway, doesn't she, shouldn't she have the power to decide whether or not to have sex with a guy on the first date?

I don't understand posters here who think they are entitled to have sex with a girl on the first date, and then if it doesn't happen they get all butt hurt. Women should just give it up first thing to any guy who happens along? I know it happens, and if it happens, great. But I don't see getting all p!ssy if it doesn't.

That said, it was a bit of a d!ck move on the girl's part to wait until she's in the bedroom and probably on the bed to spring the news that it isn't going any further. That's getting close to prick tease territory.

What's important to realize, however, is that at the time she said it there was NO real indication of which thought path she was on. Therefore, regardless of what she was thinking, the best action to counter-act either one should have been the same:

INDIFFERENCE.

I think Harry has the correct answer here. I don't see indifference as complying with sh!t tests, it's just the standard response to take with women. Anything that she does or doesn't do isn't going to change my life. Sex? Great. No? Okay, maybe next time. If you don't get upset about it, what grounds does she have to "make fun" of you?

They talk here a lot about LMR (Last Minute Regret), where the woman raises an objection, just to assuage her guilt, basically. The girl's really in a lose/lose situation here. If she puts out on the first date, she can be called a slvt. If she doesn't put out, the guy might get angry and not want to see her again. Most PUAs will tell you to just say "ok", back off a bit, then re-escalate.

 

[Daily Insanity]

I want to clarify with you guys that I am not getting angry at any of your responses, it's actually informing to see how the situation should be handled by different men. However, I have made my decision purely on the fact that she was playing games and testing me, I was not angry at her nor did I show her anger or emotion, but I did make a lot of comments to her about the test she was doing and told her she was basically a learning experience. If we were both on the same page 90% of the time and she completely made me feel like an idiot by explaining her intentions, I have no tolerance for that.

 

[Huffman]

Two options in my opinion!

A) If you're already up close, just continue touching. You keep on touching and if she doesn't pull away COMPLETELY, then you just keep touching whatever part she lets you touch. At that point women will spurt random nonsense you can safely ignore. If she's into you and doesn't want to have sex, she'll at least let you feel her up alot. So keep that touching up and she may even change her mind!

B) If she does pull away, puts a big physical distance between you, speaks harshly, THEN the mood is broken. Tell her what's up with her attitude, she killed the mood, that's not sexy. It's the truth after all! If she's not at least apologetic about pushing you away then I'd just throw her out. It might be possible to start a long series of mind games where you're literally battling against each other, but I wouldn't have the time or nerve for that crap.

The logic is simple:
Denies sex = Places demands
Denies sex = Expects you to ask her out on 999 more dates
That's ok so far, but here comes the pain:
Kills mood = Upsets you
Not apologetic = B!tchy woman

Do you want to go on 999 dates with a B!tchy woman?

 

[Trump]

I am saying if you're both making out and she says "We can kiss but no sex.", then I'm content just kissing. If that's all that happens, I'm happy. If she says "Just kissing, but no sex.", and you kiss and continue kissing and she starts getting really turned on and touching your body and then starts grabbing your crotch and unzipping your pants, what are you going to do, stop her?

You absolutely have to stop her. No matter what she does, touches you, kisses you, she has to take the words back before you have sex. Otherwise, even if you have passionate sex with candles and wine, she can claim rape - "I told him no sex but he didn't listen".

 

[Down Low]

Are you seriously telling me you HAVE to pass TESTS to fvck a girl? When did men start taking tests from women? Might as well tell them to create one on paper and grade your balls from 1-10 if they're good enough.


I am not a classroom bltch. I dont need to be tested, nor do I give a ___.

If you want to be treated like a great guy, act like one.

If you want to sh1t tested, pick up random slvts.

 

[backbreaker]

That said, it was a bit of a d!ck move on the girl's part to wait until she's in the bedroom and probably on the bed to spring the news that it isn't going any further. That's getting close to prick tease territory.

this is my thing. it's not so much about the sex. she's being a prick. and i don't do that.

I posted this actually not that long ago, something that happened to me similarly.

i remember my oneitis, i mean, she knew what she did to me and she toyed with me and she loved doing it. one day she told me she wanted me to take her to a strip club, and of course my happy go lucky ass is like sure. so all daylong she is just sending me pics of her and letting me chose her outfit. so pic the outfit i wanted her to wear and she comes over and we go to the strip club and not 30 minutes there she' giving me pirate lap dances lol. it was so bad the club people told her to stop beucase no one was paying the strippers any attention. she was ****ing ggetting down

so i mean of course i'm thinking, yeah i'm going to **** the **** out of this girl tonight lol. we'ved messed around a little before, but i've never just actually ****ed her. so we get in the car and she takes off her panties, opens her legs on my dash board, puts my hand in side her thigh and i'm rubbing on her, she's wet and **** and i'm hard and then right when i got down there, like, i could smell it , she's like


STOP,, YOU'RE JUST A FRIEND! AND SHE STARTED LAUGHING

I was so pissed off i took the ***** home, even though her car was at my house, i paid a tow truck to take her car home the next day and iw as 100% done. I mean i could take not getting laid. but playing with me like that ***** i have better things to do. it's like her entire mo tive was just to **** with my head. and i meant that **** and she knew she crossed the line and it was that experience that was my real like, you know the conversion of saint paul lol that was my conversion moment in DJism. I had been on this site for a few years then but it was that night where ti all just really clicked. she didn't reconize me the next time she saw me. i wasn't having her bull **** anymore.

i CAN take not getting laid. that's not the issue. I can't and won't take being belitttled about not getting laid. My self esteem is more important than *****.

 

[zekko]

Your oneitis sounds like a real piece of work, BB.

 

[Daily Insanity]

Wow BB, that's a man eater, shlt.. You live and learn from chicks like these. As I said before I told her she was a learning experience for me.

 

[JohnChops]

wow BB, where did you find her? You were rubbing on her puzzy and she said STOP . I wouldve thrown her out of my car while I was on the highway. That is some hardcore stuff . Women .....