HB9 being a douche, its getting harder

[HeyPachuco!]

I'm seriously going to hit the roof, this HB9 I'm trying to game, just has soooo many AFC's climbing up her ladder, its literally impossible for me to get anywhere, I'd bet some of the best on here would have a tough time.

I;ve tried evetything, no contact, negging, kino escalation, to even asking about her HB9 friend aswell.

I thought it was going somewhere. I kept on talking about her friend, she got mad and said ''you still haven't got my number ..HINT HINT'' so I said, ''seriously? ...oh okay, here *my number* " then she txted me. I didnt txt back

Last night I called her twice, no pick up. Today on IM, she said she was busy, so I said:

me: really, at 2.00am in the morning? lol
her:you didnt fone me then
me: dude, it really happend, I was bored, so I thought i'd give you a ring.
her: I was sleeping then
me: LOL oh yh, because when I called the first time, it went to voicemail, real busy (her name)
her: ii probly fell asleep *rolls eyes emotion*
me: Ahh well !
me: Is your friend still in a relationship?
her: OMFG ask her - *gives email address*
me: Lol sweet
me: No resulkts where found, are you sure its the right one?
her: Oh well
me: Wow, I love these ****blockers today, they're so uplifting
her: how am i ****blocking? she has a boyfriend, maybe its time to move on and find someone else?
me: *thumbs down emotion*
me: dude, wheres your phone?
her: next to me
me: Are you psychically able to pick it up if it so happens to ring? =]
her: Yeah but i dont think i will
me: Lol what?
her: Dont think i'll pick it up
me: Yes!!!! I was so hoping you would say that?
her: why?
me: I guess it takes time for unsociable people to get used to hearing others voices .... =] kinda like kindergarten
her: Yh right.
me: Boooooooo !!!
me: Maybe if i said you was hot, you'll magically pick up?
her: dont piss me off
her: ii hate when people say that
me: Girl gives phone number > girl says she wont pick up > guy asks for friends addy > girl says OMG ask her > guy says > joke > girl gets pissed off? absolutely aswesome
her: Right.
me: cheers! traaaaaa (means bye) x


6 minutes LATER

Her facebook status says: I have a ****in hangover so ii dont need ppl pissin me off.
AFC comment: asks if she has credit on her phone >>> I'm waiting to see the replies, this is hilarious.

 

[Semtex]

Sounds like you were annoying her more than anything...she's not into you. But you do have a certain charm about you. Dont waste your time on this one, there'll be others more deserving of your time. good luck

 

[shyguy32]

Wow...you sounded like a complete douche in that text convo!! I mean seriously man!! But you live and learn and this is how you learn from your mistakes, what you thought was ****y/funny was more like just plain assholish!!

And your begging for her friends number, I know your intention was to make her jealous. But she's not seeing it that way. Then your practically begging her to pick up her phone if you call.

I don't know man, it just sounds like your just starting this whole thing and thats cool, because we all had this stuff to figure out. But that was far from anything charming in my opinion.

 

[HeyPachuco!]

Wow...you sounded like a complete douche in that text convo!! I mean seriously man!! But you live and learn and this is how you learn from your mistakes, what you thought was ****y/funny was more like just plain assholish!!

And your begging for her friends number, I know your intention was to make her jealous. But she's not seeing it that way. Then your practically begging her to pick up her phone if you call.

I don't know man, it just sounds like your just starting this whole thing and thats cool, because we all had this stuff to figure out. But that was far from anything charming in my opinion.

How on earth was I being a douchebag? If anything I was too nice.

Where is the sharply drawn lines between being nice or negging? Tell me? Because how would you of worded it dude? This is a HB9 chick where talking about here, who absolutely doesnt get any negging or negative compliments on her behalf.

I didnt make the mistake, SHE DID, look at her goddamn facebook title - she has a hangover from yesterdays exciting drink up, so shes in the mood she is to be bullsh!tty to anyone.

The sole reason she gave me HER PHONE NUMBER was because I never had it in the first place LOL, is that not charming,woo'ing,seducting? everybody who approached her, asked for her number, I was the only indifferent able bodied guy not falling prey to this.

She's laughed at me ****y/ funny bullsh!t before, so today makes it an exception that I wasnt funny?? My nickname for her is ''****blockerr *her name* ", she laughs at this, just didnt today. She's just put her status to ''single'' which may be an indication as to why shes being a b!tch to me.

And about begging her friend's details, not atall, asking and begging is two different things. Her friend is also a HB9, psychically more attractive. I'm just doing whats in my best interest to do.

 

[shyguy32]

Pachuco...I'm just trying to tell you how it came across to me!

If it came across to me like that, why wouldn't it come across to her like that?

One you called her at 2am...I've never called a girl at 2am, not even a gf. If they call or text it's different.

And one thing you need to learn is that you NEVER use one of her friends to pull the jealousy angle, because it's HER friend. Use a girl that she doesn't know that adds value to your reputation, not one of her friends.

Just because you didn't ask for her phone number the first time doesn't make it look like your cooler than everyone else.


"She's just put her status to ''single'' which may be an indication as to why shes being a b!tch to me."

Yeah that must be it!! It couldn't have been you coming across as a **** in that conversation. I'm not trying to AMOG you here, thats not what we do in this community. I'm trying to give you some feedback on how I read this particular scenario. And I read it as you not being ****y and funny, but just being a douche bag.

Seriously, I've read through your convo like 20 times and I didn't see one damn thing that you did right. You might think it was ****y funny and believe me I used to think a lot of the **** I said was ****y/funny but now I look back on a lot of stuff that I can tell I screwed up on. I don't know how long you've been doing this and some people catch on quicker than others. All I'm trying to do is point out that I didn't find any of this funny or see that it was going in a direction that you wanted it to go in. You didn't control that conversation she did, the only part you controlled was saying bye. Other than that she was in control.

Point out your ****y funny moments for me in that conversation!

PM if you want for real if you want to continue the discussion about this, becasue they only give us 10 posts per day now. I'll be glad to hear your side and you can listen to my input if you want.

 

[YAboi]

shyguy32 what you need to realise is that different men have different ways of succeeding in their interactions with babes. It was what was working for him and he continued it, but in this case the girl was slightly bein b1tchy cause she was in a mood. He was being dominant in the conversation, because he was not overcaring about what way of talking would please her.

The only thing is that he was caught off guard by her b1tchy attitude and therefore reacted to it ......

All in all, not a bad convo,not even his responses to her b1tchiness were over the top. The girl should be the one to apologise in this scenario but that most likely won't happen but at least Pachucho called her out on her attitude so she knows she aint dealing with a pvssy.

But i agree with shyguy32 on the asking about her friends relationship status. I think thats what triggered her b1tchiness, as in it gave her a reason/excuse to be short tempered with you.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

Uhh, if she's being a douche, she's just giving what she's getting.

And there was nothing "dominant" about his text conversation with this girl, he sounds like an incredibly frustrated guy getting pissed because this girl won't fall into his lap. She was very much dealing with a pvssy posing as a tough guy (IMing on the internet is for women-when will you boys understand this?).

 

[tebow1120]

To the guy that started this thread I gotta say you remind me of myself and it just hit me that I am total jerk sometimes.Where you really messed up is when you used her friend as someone you wanted to get with.Never do that because that can land you into the friend zone with the girl your being a jerk 2,she might look at it as he dont want me he wants my friend so she might start considering you a friend.I give you credit for having the balls to say all that but you gotta add romance 2 when your being a jerk.You were being to mean to the girl.

 

[shyguy32]

Seriously...where in the hell are you guys crawling out of the wood works from?

Tebow did you just say that he's going to land in the friend zone for asking about her friend? He's going to land in the nowhere zone is where he's landing. That took no balls whatsoever!!

And then you say throw some romance in there? Whats your idea of romance? Romance is not pushing her buttons to eff you, being a JERK is not doing it either. See this is the problem with people first learning ****y/funny they think when they're being a JERK that they're using the ****y/funny routine. But they're not, they're just being a jerk...I used to be the same way!

 

[YAboi]

Uhh, if she's being a douche, she's just giving what she's getting.

And there was nothing "dominant" about his text conversation with this girl, he sounds like an incredibly frustrated guy getting pissed because this girl won't fall into his lap. She was very much dealing with a pvssy posing as a tough guy (IMing on the internet is for women-when will you boys understand this?).

lol lol lol! I feel like he talks to her in a certain way all the time but , this time she was not in the mood for it. Any emotion is good for when dealin with chicks and a-holes get pvssy alot of the time by doin exactly wat he did here.If anything he did not make her feel stupid enough for her behaviour lol (then again she is a hb9 and is probably a deluded princess as well ) .

 

[Phat]

You call her 2 times, then you harass her about not picking up. Then you ask her about if her friend has a boyfriend? That's annoying, needy, I CARE, low value, Creepy behavior. Leave the girl alone man, move on. It's clear she's not interested.


she says:

her: how am i ****blocking? she has a boyfriend, maybe its time to move on and find someone else?

maybe its time to move on and find someone else?

She even tells you that you need to stop being so needy and to just talk to new girls.

 

[shyguy32]

Yaboi...again with the misconceptions. Jerks do not get women, these guys that you call Jerks are jerks to other guys. But to women they're being funny and ****y. How many times is this preached? Yeah you dont' want to be a pushover and you want to call a chick on her bull****, but you don't want to be an ******* to her. Because *******s don't get chicks, *******s get to buy some Dove extra moisturizing hand cream and masturbate to the chick that they just offended.

 

[YAboi]

if she is a low self esteem chick , his approach could actually work i.e he could bully his way into her snatch lol
If being an a-hole is fully part of who you are then its ok to be that way, if its an act then theres a problem....

edit: remember she was the one who wanted his digits plus she text him first. I think him not replying to the text made her feel like he was a game player and thus she got spiteful (this is an assumption cos obviously she was out drinking that night when he called so she might have been too occupied to answer but yeah one call should have been enough on his part and he should have left it at that)

I stand by every assumption i have made in this thread. No one is 100% perfect neither is every situation

 

[Nexus Polaris]

That text conversation reminds me of some of the ones I used to have back when I first started this and hadn't quite figured out what I was doing yet. You seem like you're trying too hard. None of your negs seem genuine. Rather than busting on her, you seem like you're just trying to piss her off. And you seem to be beating that thing about her friend to death to the point where it's not even effective anymore.

I also agree with whoever said you're coming across more as frustrated than dominant.

 

[thecurtainfalls]

Shyguy, Phat, and Nexus have it right.

You're trying too hard. The 2am calls, the online IM convos... you're eliminating too much of your mystery. I understand that there are no absolutes in this game, but in general I would avoid IM convos. Like someone else said, it's kind of a feminine way of communicating, and I can't really see you raising your value significantly with that method of communication. You're also way too available for this chick.

The biggest piece of advice I can give you is that you're doing way too much of the pursuing right now. You're jumping through hoops and doing tricks and trying ever so hard to be clever, while she sits back, relaxes, and doesn't fvck you.

9's and 10's can get bored of the "try-hard" routine pretty fast if you're not careful. Chances are she definitely feels like you're adding SOME sort of value to her life, since she is interested in talking to you. Unfortunately, that value at this point may be simply the attention and ego-stroke that you're providing her.

I recommend rolling your interest level way off. I don't have as much of a problem with WHAT you said, so much as HOW you said it and your overall availability for this girl. Hope that makes sense. I'm hungover myself.

 

[I'm in the Mood]

Why are you IMing a girl that you want to game?

Girls have immensely more options over the internet. All they need to do is post one flattering picture of themselves and all the AFCs come running like mice to cheese crumbs...

 

[ThatMysteriousGuy]

To the guy that started this thread I gotta say you remind me of myself and it just hit me that I am total jerk sometimes.Where you really messed up is when you used her friend as someone you wanted to get with.Never do that because that can land you into the friend zone with the girl your being a jerk 2,she might look at it as he dont want me he wants my friend so she might start considering you a friend.I give you credit for having the balls to say all that but you gotta add romance 2 when your being a jerk.You were being to mean to the girl.

You're evolving.

When you can clearly see that sort of thing it means you are learning about your own bad behaviors. No one is perfect, and we'll never become that 100%.

He's treating her in a condescending way. (AFC!)
He calls her twice after midnight and biatches about her not responding. (AFC!)
He's bugging her without thinking about her current situation. (2am, she's sick from alcohol, he doesn't care, AFC!)
He's trying to get a girl to think he's all that but he has nothing better to do at 2am. That always decreases attraction. Bragging instead of real action always does this. (AFC!)
He's trying to manipulate her into a voice conversation by putting her down as not a worthy person. (AFC!)
blah blah blah, he has put her up on a pedestal and is forcibly trying to logically convince her he's spectacular. (AFC!)

This ALWAYS fails.

 

[HeyPachuco!]

Thanks for ALL the comments,compliments and bashing guys,

appreciate it, cheers and thanks.


:flowers:

 

[HeyPachuco!]

I feel like Derek in American History X talking to Sweeney on the stretcher after he got raped.

I'm confused to say the least.

I mean here are some saying that I'm trying to hard for calling her twice and pursuing her, IM is a NO,NO, so how do you communicate? Because isn't texting a comfort zone? I called her ONCE when she was on the phone, then again. (I'm IM'ing talking about NYE parties to a friend and she happends to come online).

Yaboi subconciously understands whats going on here, we both have a love & hate relationship and I feel comfortable talking to her the way I do, I feel its gotten thus far as her giving me her number - not on my accord. I'd rather have her annoyed and p!ssed at me, than nothing atall. Ive atleast done the following making her (laugh, smile,crack up,miss me), so because I jerk her abit, I'm an AFC?

I think some of you have the wrong end of the stick here.

 

[Perfect]

Everything went downhill when you gave her hell for not picking up the phone. After getting her number the way you did, I don't see the necessity for all the excessive negging/attempting to make her jealous. I think there comes a point where yall should be able to have a normal convo without bustin her balls lol...