Having kids at 40 yrs old

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Anyone know anybody that has.
Studies say probability of birth defects go up ..other studies say its minimal
 

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Anyone know anybody that has.
Studies say probability of birth defects go up ..other studies say its minimal
For men, it's minimal... For women.. if she can EVEN have kids, it goes up, UP, UP.... I had my son when I was 42. Doctors didn't care about my age. On the other hand, my ex-wife was mid 30's. They called the pregnancy risky because she was old - "geriatric".
 

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Once a woman reaches 30 it's downhill from there.

The biological clock comes in to have kids. My ex was 31 before we broke up she was pushing hard for kids and eventually everything falled apart and i was done with her.

It's crazy how women once they realize their clock is ticking how they become more willing to drop all the sh1t they are doing and sh1t test and playing it hard to get because they realize most guys will not put up with their BS.

But hey it starts to get too late after that.
 

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Women over 35 should not be having kids. High risk for autism.

Also, 10X harder to concieve ... So logically for a woman 18 years old to 30 is optimal if they want a family. That's 12 years max to find a "good guy". Out of 12 years, she will be at her peak attractiveness for 6 years only..
 

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It's crazy to me how much money women will spend on fertility treatments in order to go thru high risk prenancies. $60k on iffy chances seems like an utter waste.

The biological clock comes in to have kids. My ex was 31 before we broke up she was pushing hard for kids and eventually everything falled apart and i was done with her.

It's crazy how women once they realize their clock is ticking how they become more willing to drop all the sh1t they are doing and sh1t test and playing it hard to get because they realize most guys will not put up with their BS.
Baby Rabies is a real thing. My sister got it in her late 20s.
 

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Let's look at becoming a first time father at 40 and what it entails for a man.

From a biological standpoint, we can impregnate women at that age. A 40 year old man's sperm quality is lower than his 25 or 30 year old self, but it's still good enough to cause pregnancy. Older sperm is more likely to contain deficiencies. The solution to this is to have a partner that is substantially younger. It is best for a 40 year old man to have a partner 10+ years younger if he's having kids at 40 to minimize chances of complicated pregnancies and birth defects. One of the few 40 year old men I know in-person who became a first time father had a wife who was 32 at the time of birth. 32 was 8 years younger, which is close to 10 and that's still borderline risky.

There are more practical lifestyle reasons why older fatherhood is less than ideal.

There are a couple of considerations around physical health.

An older man isn't as able to handle the physical rigors of infancy and toddlerhood as easily as a younger man. If there are nights where sleep quantity is reduced due to a child's needs, that's more difficult to cope with at 40 as compared to 25 or 30. That could affect his ability to do his job, which is an important consideration for a parent.

An older man isn't able to keep up with his younger child as easily. It's less than ideal for a 45-50 year old man to try to keep up with his 5-10 year old child or children. That impacts the memories that an older father can make with his children. It's nice for a father to be able to play sports with his son or daughter.

The biggest issue with a 40 year old man having a child becomes money and financial planning. When a 40 year old man has a child, he's not an empty nester until 58 (if that's his only child). If his child goes to college, he might at least partially fund that and the burden of that would extend to 62-63 years old. That will impact retirement planning. That also assumes that a man can retire on his own terms, which is a faulty assumption as I'll show below. However, even for men who are fortunate enough to retire on their own terms, having financially dependent children (even financially dependent adult children) after age 55-60 is not the wisest of financial decisions and can delay retirement.

Additionally, most men do not retire voluntarily. The majority of people experience involuntary retirement and that typically occurs somewhere between ages 50-65. For white collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of job loss after 50 and the inability to get hired for similar white collar work after that. For blue collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of a man who is physically unable to do his job due to injuries and overall physical condition. It's not good be to a 55 year old man with a 13 and 15 year old still at home when you're experiencing involuntary retirement.

Also realize that most men who get laid off during the 50-65 age range are also more likely to get divorced or dumped too. However, a man in his 50s who gets laid off and is forced into early retirement as likely to get divorced from his similarly aged wife because a 50 something woman has fewer options for longer term relationships out there. A man who is 25-44 years old who loses his job is a much higher risk candidate for dumping due to unemployment. Girlfriends are more likely to dump than wives. When a 32 year old man loses his job, his highly in-demand 30 year old girlfriend is far more likely to dump.

For the reasons above, I think it is best for men to have either have children or adopt children between ages 25-35. Men 25-35 are healthier and can raise them to adulthood without significant financial impact.
 

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Maybe it's just my personal biases. I am late 40's. I have a 7 year old son. I want to have another child since I am enjoying raising my son and it would be nice for him to have a sibling. That's the only reason I'm dating again. Here are the advantages for younger women dating older successful, healthy guys.

1) genetics - older healthier men have proven they are not idiots and were able to survive. They didn't get killed doing stupid and risky things. They survived things like drugs which killed a lot of younger men by either not indulging in them, or "strong" enough to not have drugs affect them. Also, if the older men are still physically fit, their genetics bode well for having offspring's that will survive into old age. As an older dad who is fit, I have no problem physically taking care of my son. Obviously, older guys who are not fit.. Perhaps, yeah, don't have any more kids.

2) resources. Older successful men have resources. They can afford better schools for the children.. Better home environments. Older men usually have built up a career where he can "work from home" or reach a point where he's successful enough, he can be flexible with his job and be there for his kids. One of the biggest stresses of a marriage is money. Take that out of the equation, and there's less chance for divorces.

3) wisdom. Older successful men have "seen it all". They have been through job losses.. deaths.. multiple LTR. Older successful men are not as fazed with what life throws at them. From my own experiences, I feel I am more rational and able to make better decisions because of my experiences. As they say, learning "on the job" is the best way to learn. Being "on the job of life" for such a long time, you understand things more than someone who is half your age.

At the end of the day, a young girl will only be attracted to older SUCCESSFUL guys who is healthy. Perhaps for a typical 40 who doesn't have his shiet together. Who isn't in shape.. Who is genetically inclined to have diseases. Perhaps he shouldn't have kids. Perhaps his best time to have kids is when he is younger when none of the symptoms of his diseases have shown up..

I'm looking at women late 20's to earlier 30's. So yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm gong to die before them. But that's life. Nothing in life is 100% sure. When I'm gone, hopefully, the offspring's that we created will have the foresight, the wisdom, and the intellect that I impart to them via my behaviors when I'm alive, what I teach them when I'm still alive... and the greatest gift of all, my genetic material (I'm relatively smart, I am not obese, I have no weird genetic diseases, etc..), . So when I am dead, there will be a good chance whoever I marry will be in a better position than if she found some random dude her own age to marry.

On the most primal level, I think young women understand this. I think this is the reason why young women still flirt with me -- which every now and than still surprises me. And to be honest, if my experiences with my son wasn't such a positive one, I wouldn't even care about dating or women.

Let's look at becoming a first time father at 40 and what it entails for a man.

From a biological standpoint, we can impregnate women at that age. A 40 year old man's sperm quality is lower than his 25 or 30 year old self, but it's still good enough to cause pregnancy. Older sperm is more likely to contain deficiencies. The solution to this is to have a partner that is substantially younger. It is best for a 40 year old man to have a partner 10+ years younger if he's having kids at 40 to minimize chances of complicated pregnancies and birth defects. One of the few 40 year old men I know in-person who became a first time father had a wife who was 32 at the time of birth. 32 was 8 years younger, which is close to 10 and that's still borderline risky.

There are more practical lifestyle reasons why older fatherhood is less than ideal.

There are a couple of considerations around physical health.

An older man isn't as able to handle the physical rigors of infancy and toddlerhood as easily as a younger man. If there are nights where sleep quantity is reduced due to a child's needs, that's more difficult to cope with at 40 as compared to 25 or 30. That could affect his ability to do his job, which is an important consideration for a parent.

An older man isn't able to keep up with his younger child as easily. It's less than ideal for a 45-50 year old man to try to keep up with his 5-10 year old child or children. That impacts the memories that an older father can make with his children. It's nice for a father to be able to play sports with his son or daughter.

The biggest issue with a 40 year old man having a child becomes money and financial planning. When a 40 year old man has a child, he's not an empty nester until 58 (if that's his only child). If his child goes to college, he might at least partially fund that and the burden of that would extend to 62-63 years old. That will impact retirement planning. That also assumes that a man can retire on his own terms, which is a faulty assumption as I'll show below. However, even for men who are fortunate enough to retire on their own terms, having financially dependent children (even financially dependent adult children) after age 55-60 is not the wisest of financial decisions and can delay retirement.

Additionally, most men do not retire voluntarily. The majority of people experience involuntary retirement and that typically occurs somewhere between ages 50-65. For white collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of job loss after 50 and the inability to get hired for similar white collar work after that. For blue collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of a man who is physically unable to do his job due to injuries and overall physical condition. It's not good be to a 55 year old man with a 13 and 15 year old still at home when you're experiencing involuntary retirement.

Also realize that most men who get laid off during the 50-65 age range are also more likely to get divorced or dumped too. However, a man in his 50s who gets laid off and is forced into early retirement as likely to get divorced from his similarly aged wife because a 50 something woman has fewer options for longer term relationships out there. A man who is 25-44 years old who loses his job is a much higher risk candidate for dumping due to unemployment. Girlfriends are more likely to dump than wives. When a 32 year old man loses his job, his highly in-demand 30 year old girlfriend is far more likely to dump.

For the reasons above, I think it is best for men to have either have children or adopt children between ages 25-35. Men 25-35 are healthier and can raise them to adulthood without significant financial impact.
 
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Maybe it's just my personal biases. I am late 40's. I have a 7 year old son. I want to have another child since I am enjoying raising my son and it would be nice for him to have a sibling. That's the only reason I'm dating again. Here are the advantages for younger women dating older successful, healthy guys.

1) genetics - older healthier men have proven they are not idiots and were able to survive. They didn't get killed doing stupid and risky things. They survived things like drugs which killed a lot of younger men by either not indulging in them, or "strong" enough to not have drugs affect them. Also, if the older men are still physically fit, their genetics bode well for having offspring's that will survive into old age. As an older dad who is fit, I have no problem physically taking care of my son. Obviously, older guys who are not fit.. Perhaps, yeah, don't have any more kids.

2) resources. Older successful men have resources. They can afford better schools for the children.. Better home environments. Older men usually have built up a career where he can "work from home" or reach a point where he's successful enough, he can be flexible with his job and be there for his kids. One of the biggest stresses of a marriage is money. Take that out of the equation, and there's less chance for divorces.

3) wisdom. Older successful men have "seen it all". They have been through job losses.. deaths.. multiple LTR. Older successful men are not as fazed with what life throws at them. From my own experiences, I feel I am more rational and able to make better decisions because of my experiences. As they say, learning "on the job" is the best way to learn. Being "on the job of life" for such a long time, you understand things more than someone who is half your age.

At the end of the day, a young girl will only be attracted to older SUCCESSFUL guys who is healthy. Perhaps for a typical 40 who doesn't have his shiet together. Who isn't in shape.. Who is genetically inclined to have diseases. Perhaps he shouldn't have kids. Perhaps his best time to have kids is when he is younger when none of the symptoms of his diseases have shown up..

I'm looking at women late 20's to earlier 30's. So yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm gong to die before them. But that's life. Nothing in life is 100% sure. When I'm gone, hopefully, the offspring's that we created will have the foresight, the wisdom, and the intellect that I impart to them via my behaviors when I'm alive, what I teach them when I'm still alive... and the greatest gift of all, my genetic material (I'm relatively smart, I am not obese, I have no weird genetic diseases, etc..), . So when I am dead, there will be a good chance whoever I marry will be in a better position than if she found some random dude her own age to marry.

On the most primal level, I think young women understand this. I think this is the reason why young women still flirt with me -- which every now and than still surprises me. And to be honest, if my experiences with my son wasn't such a positive one, I wouldn't even care about dating or women.
When I think of Burden of Performance this is exactly what I think of. Older dudes who have put in the work and experience, and have built themselves have Long-Term Value to women.

Combine this with Genuine Desire (short term value) from a younger woman, and you have a great compliment to your life. It fits perfectly with her dual mating strategy.

I don't know when I would start a family, but this is how I would go about it. Great post.
 

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I think having kids at 40 is actually better as long as you used your 20's and 30's to build wealth. I think it would be hell raising kids in your early 30's without having a lot of money. Pretty much all of the pain points with raising kids can be greatly reduced by throwing money at it - hire a night nurse, personal chef, maid, nanny, child psychologist, tutor, etc etc etc. It is far far easier to raise kids when you can easily afford those things and then you just get to focus on the fun and rewarding parts of it.
 

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Unless you are past like 60, as a man it basically makes no difference as far as genetics go. Women probably really shouldn't past 35. So big difference there.

Now, I think there is an argument against it much past 45 for a man just from the standpoint that you don't want to be raising kids actively when you are aiming to retire. That is more of a practical reason against it though and all a matter of preference.
 

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Anyone know anybody that has.
Studies say probability of birth defects go up ..other studies say its minimal
Autism rates skyrocket past 35.

Personally I wouldn't do it. You are going to be almost 60 when they are finally 18.
 

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Autism rates skyrocket past 35.

Personally I wouldn't do it. You are going to be almost 60 when they are finally 18.
On the flip side it may help keep you young and active. The older people that I see aging the fastest are the ones who are retired and just DGAF anymore so they are basically rotting away quickly until they die. If you have a purpose to stay active physically and mentally then I think it will help extend your healthspan and lifespan.
 

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On the flip side it may help keep you young and active. The older people that I see aging the fastest are the ones who are retired and just DGAF anymore so they are basically rotting away quickly until they die. If you have a purpose to stay active physically and mentally then I think it will help extend your healthspan and lifespan.
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Once a woman reaches 30 it's downhill from there.

The biological clock comes in to have kids. My ex was 31 before we broke up she was pushing hard for kids and eventually everything falled apart and i was done with her.

It's crazy how women once they realize their clock is ticking how they become more willing to drop all the sh1t they are doing and sh1t test and playing it hard to get because they realize most guys will not put up with their BS.

But hey it starts to get too late after that.
*36, let's not overcook it.
 

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My wife was ten years younger, so she was thirty when my first kid was born.
 

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Yea. I mean...health is always my priority.
Even a young fit dude can have a life changing event and there goes the fit dad.
Plus i think its more of the interaction and connection with the child not wether you can play baseball.
I do play with my nephew in the park when his dad and all of us have time. But i also listen to him...crack jokes.
The other day we went to like a chucky cheese...his parents and i...and we spent dinner making up jokes.
Thats wholesome shyt right there and it was fun.
Other day i helped pick him up from school and in the car he just shared with me that some girl calls him ugly...just out of the blue.
I told him shes lying...but he felt comfortable enough and i didnt make it weird.
I know uncle and full time father is totally different...N e wayz...thanks for the feedback.
 
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