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[SAYNO]

Has anyone ever heard of Elise Sutton? Man this b*tch is sick. She advocates men being dominated by and serving women.

Here is her opening log:

"Hello all, and welcome to my site. My name is Elise Sutton and I am a lifestyle Dominant Woman

who believes in Female Supremacy and who practices Female Domination.


If you are new to this site or if you are confused by the terms Female Domination, Female Supremacy or

Female Superiority; then first of all, Read my article What Is Female Domination and Female Superiority?


I have studied men, women, sexuality, and societal roles in great detail. I have come to understand submissive

men and it is my goal to challenge the female to rise up and to assume her proper place in her relationship, which is to be in charge. "

Is this what the world is coming to????????????????????????????



http://www.elisesutton.com/


Sayno'

 

[gixxer]

LOL - yeah, I never understood that whole dynamic. I can understand women who do the dominatrix thing for $$$ but some of those women are actually in relationships with submissive men. I don't get how the attraction works there since it violates all the principles that we all know to be true about male/female interactions.

I'd love to hear some opinions on that.....

gixx

 

[speedo_meme]

just another reason you can't listen to a thing that comes out of a b*tch's mouth.....

 

[DoubleA]

AFC = weak

What woman wants to have an AFC man around?

He can't be a man or a real man. So I guess she telling how to be...men?

 

[Desdinova]

it is my goal to challenge the female to rise up and to assume her proper place in her relationship, which is to be in charge

This is my question....
Proper place according to who? Elise Sutton?

 

[SAYNO]

Well..

Personally, I think it’s mostly a way for her to make some quick money!

She knows that allot of women want to control men, so she writes books and makes allot of money off women; and fulfills their fantasies of controlling weak minded men! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

When someone called her on own hypocrisy of not keeping her last name and instead taking her husband's last name she admitted herself that she kept his last name because it would cause too many problems for her, yet she advised her daughter to not take her husbands last name.

IMHO, that’s one of the principle problems with feminism and 99 percent of all women are too blind to see it!

A lot of the women who write books and advocate this crap go home to their husbands and some lead a relatively normal lifestyle. Even Gloria Steinem, who after years of advising women not to get married but instead to concentrate on their careers; turned around and got married herself.


But one guy who read the book (and I agree with him) had this to say:

There is indeed a revolution taking place in society. Men who were typically more "macho" have been killed off and drastically reduced the world over by two major world conflicts and numerous other wars.

Their numbers are low. In greater numbers today is submissive men, who have always existed. The fact that sub men fantisize about being cuckolds is hardwired into them to capitulate to the sexual power of real men. Society is thus heading for a female, weaker ruled structure.

This will then allow the minority of real men to rise, as in the past, enslave weaker, sub men, put to death their off spring, and take their women in the bibical sense and use them as they please. Bioweapons will ensure wide spread devastation to weak men, preserving a new warrior class to grow in numbers. Although this sounds sci-fi, serveral renoun historians and scientists, Dr. Carl Eisner being one, points to the cyclic repetition of this phenomena, and has modeled it based on predator-prey equations, giving an interval of every 2-4 thousands years of stable male dominance, followed by a brief female ruled society, and then a rapid reinstitution of male dominance with a vengence.

Already there are three class of men: reliable, wimpy white-color men; brutish blue-color men, and masculine, intelligent, warrior class men (the poet-warriors), a class which has also been the minority in every society until the inversion era. We're overdo by about 500 years for the inversion. This is mostly due to the industrial era however.


Sayno'

 

[the_great_gaia]

THIS BYTCH IS SOOO FUKKED UP! That site inspires me to NOT EVER become an AFC again!

 

[legolas]

Originally posted by gixxer
LOL - yeah, I never understood that whole dynamic. I can understand women who do the dominatrix thing for $$$ but some of those women are actually in relationships with submissive men. I don't get how the attraction works there since it violates all the principles that we all know to be true about male/female interactions.

I'd love to hear some opinions on that.....

gixx

It doesn't violate any principles, in fact it makes a lot of sense

Allow me to explain.

Whether you like it or not, someone is attracted to you not because of who you are (or who you think you are), but because of who you are to them and what you represent to them.

It's all based on subconscious needs and wants. I don't claim to know how these needs were created, in fact some of these needs are so weird that even people who have them don't know them. The only thing they know, is that when they see someone whom their subconscious thinkgs can fulfill their needs, then boom! attraction occurs.

Sometimes these needs are dictated by one's ego (like in the case of PUAs) but it still falls under the category of subconscious needs. Again, you're not really aware of these needs, you're only aware of the magnetic attraction between you and someone else if the subconscious gets the idea that this someone else can feed that need.

Note.
This also happens in non romantic situations, like when you feel drawn to someone who you think can do something for you, like get you richer or whatnot. (can you tell I can't think of any good exmples?)

 

[thesynergist]

Hooooooly 5hit! I just read the 3 articles posted on her site. I can't help but think her ultimate goal is to get women who were in perfectly healthy, happy relationships with men the respected to LJBF their formerly masculine husbands/boyfriends.

What on earth is that all about? I mean, from a purely sexual standpoint I've always taken the stance that anything (legal) goes...no matter how goofy a fetish might seem to most people, someone out there is just dying to try it, guaranteed.

However, from a lifestyle standpoint her advice is just wacky. What kind of a world would we be living in if most men on the planet too her advice on drawing out their womans dominance? It'd be a wreck...but then again there'd be even more single HB's out and about then there are now, desperately looking for a man who refuses to humor their every whim and lick their feet and ask permission before they come. Man oh man. Interesting read.

 

[SAYNO]

Originally posted by legolas
It doesn't violate any principles, in fact it makes a lot of sense

Allow me to explain.

Whether you like it or not, someone is attracted to you not because of who you are (or who you think you are), but because of who you are to them and what you represent to them.

It's all based on subconscious needs and wants. I don't claim to know how these needs were created, in fact some of these needs are so weird that even people who have them don't know them. The only thing they know, is that when they see someone whom their subconscious thinkgs can fulfill their needs, then boom! attraction occurs.

Sometimes these needs are dictated by one's ego (like in the case of PUAs) but it still falls under the category of subconscious needs. Again, you're not really aware of these needs, you're only aware of the magnetic attraction between you and someone else if the subconscious gets the idea that this someone else can feed that need.

Note.
This also happens in non romantic situations, like when you feel drawn to someone who you think can do something for you, like get you richer or whatnot. (can you tell I can't think of any good exmples?)

Well, I think I see what your saying....

But, like I said I think that she is just cashing in on all the madness thats around her. I don't think its right, but thats pretty much what I gather, in fact she may not even be a practioner of that **** crap or FDFS...


One of the problems with AFC'ness, and male subordination period, is the vagueness of what constitutes being assertive vs being wimpy is.


I say this because in your post you allude to the subconcious thought process and how that fuels our desire "or not" in regards to not just the opposite sex, but other "POWER SYMBOLS" as well.

Are you saying that the subconcious mind cannot be fully known?

I am of the belief that we become ever more concious from the day of our birth until the day we die, that is of course barring mental illness, mental-retardation, and drug abuse.



Sayno'

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

I want to overtly dominate a women. My ideal women would allow me to take her for granted, but still come running back. She would throw a lil drama around, just to keep me interested, then, go back to serving me.... I want her to complain, but eventually submit to my needs. I need to be able to push her away, cus she needs a life outside of my world....

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

"Never wrestle with a pig. You get muddy and the pig likes it."



At the risk of wrestling with this pig, I wonder how well my site would be accepted were I to launch one dedicated to the complete domination and subjegation of every woman on the planet?

 

[Moving_Target]

I think you'd have a winner there Rollo.

But seriously, no guy advocating that would get very far before being labeled as a male chauvinist nutjob. The type of lifestyle she is promoting must surely appeal to someone out there though. I did a bit of research into the BSDM lifestyle and came away enlightened but unimpressed. I don't fit that mold and the type of woman I'd find attractive isn't hardcore feminist and looking to jerk the reins out of my hands at every turn.

There's a dominatrix old bag that lives in the same province as me. *shudder*

http://www.msladymistress.com/