Hate him or love him: Donald Trump

[Poonani Maker]

trump will be the PREZ cause Hilary;'s scared of debating him, scared of press conferences, too. The more questions she is asked, the worse she looks. Labor is at MOST 1/3rd of retail cost of an item, even a high-labor product like milk. You can TRIPLE the cost of labor and milk will just go from $3 a gallon to $5 per gallon. I got a news flash for you. I drove a truck and did nursery/landscaping for years. Guess what illegals get paid for such work? the SAME $14 per hour that White guys get for such work. The boss has to pay the illegals (overall cost) $4 an hour less, no SS, no workman's comp, etc. That money doesn't go into the Govt when he hires illegals, but they get paid MORE, cause EyE had to pay income tax, they don't. 30 million illegals gone will save the US a trillion $ per year.

Look, 5 BILLION people want to live here. It's racist to allow in the Mexicans, but not Asians, Africans and the rest of S America. We CANT, and we can't afford the 30 million illegals that we have now, and we're going to kick you out. So make your plans, wetback, cause it's coming

Libertarians insist on their Magic Money, based on Hard and Objective Metal and the Magic Border Lines. But, the Magic Border Line that makes wages higher is based entirely on faith in the PEOPLE north of that Line as opposed to PEOPLE south of that line.
Japan has less natural resources by far than Mexico has. But if you took all the Mexicans and moved them to Japan and took all the Japanese and moved them to Mexico, Mexicans would be worse off than they are now. No one EVER disagreed. But no one repeated it, either.
You can’t SAY that and have a career in academia, as Nobel Laureate Dr. Watson’s firing demonstrated.
AGAIN.
All the careerists in every field are OPENLY rejecting serious analysis that leads in politically incorrect directions. Which means that it is in precisely those directions that unexplored truth is piling up. It is a failure to move in those directions that is leading to the ever more impossible bottlenecks we are faced with in public policy.
We have reality all to ourselves.

 

[Jaylan]

I remember how c0ck-sure many people were that Romney would win in 2012. And then this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqUXZCgYMuQ

Don't get too sure of yourselves when it comes to Trump. Because all the reactions many people had in 2012 were downright embarrassing (and hilarious).

 

[speed dawg]

I remember how c0ck-sure many people were that Romney would win in 2012. And then this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqUXZCgYMuQ

Don't get too sure of yourselves when it comes to Trump. Because all the reactions many people had in 2012 were downright embarrassing (and hilarious).

hahahahaha

Is that all you got? WHINE MOARRR CRY MOARRR

Romney was a puppet from the beginning. Sure he put up a better fight than McCain but that's not saying much. We all realize he lost. Do you think shaming Republicans is going to help your cause? You are weak. You care more about beating others and winning than you do the issues. Giving your enemies that much power won't work out for you in the end.

The concern-trolling speaks volumes Jay-baby. Keep it up.

 

[seasonedplayer]

I remember how c0ck-sure many people were that Romney would win in 2012. And then this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqUXZCgYMuQ

Don't get too sure of yourselves when it comes to Trump. Because all the reactions many people had in 2012 were downright embarrassing (and hilarious).

And how is Obama working out for you?

 

[Jaylan]

And how is Obama working out for you?

Just fine actually. He's done some great things but of course has had his blunders too.

That said, some historians already feel he will be looked back on as one of the best presidents in the nation's history. However, historians are good critics of the past, not the future...so time will tell. A lot of things have gotten done and a lot of ground has been been broken during his presidency.

And thats despite all the highly partisan nay-saying citizens and obstructionist politicians in this country.

PS - I cannot stop laughing at people supporting this Trump fraud, when his record shows he's clearly a democrat. All of his positions up until this year have been democratic. No one finds it fishy that all of a sudden he's a "conservative"?

 

[Tictac]

Just fine actually. He's done some great things but of course has had his blunders too.

That said, some historians already feel he will be looked back on as one of the best presidents in the nation's history. However, historians are good critics of the past, not the future...so time will tell. A lot of things have gotten done and a lot of ground has been been broken during his presidency.

And thats despite all the highly partisan nay-saying citizens and obstructionist politicians in this country.

PS - I cannot stop laughing at people supporting this Trump fraud, when his record shows he's clearly a democrat. All of his positions up until this year have been democratic. No one finds it fishy that all of a sudden he's a "conservative"?

________

Trump may be a buffoon. Sanders too. But they are both touching something in the electorate.

If you stepping a voting booth and vote for Hillary, you become the joke.

 

[robertreed]

Learn

We can learn a lot from him.

Dental Sedation

 

[speed dawg]

PS - I cannot stop laughing at people supporting this Trump fraud, when his record shows he's clearly a democrat. All of his positions up until this year have been democratic. No one finds it fishy that all of a sudden he's a "conservative"?

Not all Democratic positions are bad.

The difference is, in this day and age, Democrats and Republicans are either 100% left or 100% right. You have to get on one of two trains. Democrats stand for making people great at the expense of the country, Republicans stand for making the country great at the expense of the people. The proper way is a blend of both, but if I'm choosing, I'm choosing Republican because it can be sustained and you still have your freedom. And when I say "country", I do not mean "government".

Again, your shots at Trump are nothing but concern-trolling, which makes you appear pathetic. Tell us why he would not be a great leader, or STFU. Got it?

 

[prison/con.net]

LIAR. you NAME the dem who's EVER said "FENCE"

in the same sentence with "mexico". NAME the dem who wants to deport 30 million illegals (or whom EVER said we need to get rid of them). Name the Dem who's in favor of TAKING Iraq's oil. :cheer: Or of forcing China, Mexico and Japan to accept trade deals that favor us more.

 

[Jaylan]

in the same sentence with "mexico". NAME the dem who wants to deport 30 million illegals (or whom EVER said we need to get rid of them). Name the Dem who's in favor of TAKING Iraq's oil. :cheer: Or of forcing China, Mexico and Japan to accept trade deals that favor us more.

Like I said, if you read properly. Trump is an all-of-sudden 2015 campaign "conservative". He has NO record of conservatives policies or values. From his stance on social issues, to healthcare legislation, to economics. I mean come on, phone calls with Bill Clinton before he decides to run? Past Hillary campaign contributions? Videos and quotes of him supporting some form of universal healthcare or tax increases on the wealthy? Those are all facts.

All this, and people think he's a conservative because he talks big about immigration and Iraq in 2015? The guy is simply pandering to hardcore base conservatives with issues that might win the GOP nod and certainly not the general election. Do the research. Just because he talks big in 2015, does not make him less of a fraud. This guy is going to hand the White House and Congress to the Dems again if he somehow manages to win the GOP nod.

Except for the percentage of Republicans who like him, most Americans will never vote for the guy and see through his BS. Like I said in another thread. Any polling figures with him up against a democrat shows him losing in a general election. You think the Republicans will allow that? And Trump surely wont run independent. Thats just chest puffing. And if he does, the Dems will thank him.

And there are even polls showing a large amount of Republicans wouldnt ever vote for him. Some people seem to forget that Trump is leading in a crowded field. Watch what happens when the field shrinks and that other 70 to 75% of Republicans choose a new candidate. They won't be choosing who you think.

Ill make sure to reference this thread next year when its clear Trump has lost the nomination. Yeah, people are fired up now...but they were also fired up about other candidates back in 2008 and 2012 election cycles before the real nominee took over. Guliani, Cain, Perry, and Bachmann were popular and were drawing a lot of support...but fell hard once things got serious. Trump will have a similar fate.

 

[Jaylan]

This graph below is a perfect example what happens to early front-runner's who pander to a hardcore section of their party base, but don't draw support from the rest of the party or the country.

And remember, Guliani wasn't running in as crowded of a field as Trump is. So I ask you again, to think about what's going to happen when 70 to 75% of Republicans have to choose a candidate to rally behind. According to a few different polls, many will never support the Donald.


http://interactive.guim.co.uk/embed/2015/08/2015-08-trump-giuliani/

 

[Mike32ct]

Once Joe Biden officially throws his hat in the ring, Hillary will lose her front runner position with the Dems.

I don't know what will happen with Trump. The media will keep trying to hype up Jeb Bush, but no serious Republican voter wants him.

 

[Jaylan]

One more Trump point.

Check out these swing state Quinnipiac polls that just came out for Biden v. Trump. There are other polls mentioned as well, especially favorability and trustworthiness polling (where Trump didnt do very good)

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...ing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2271

This question stood out. "(If Registered Republican) Are there any of these candidates you would definitely not support for the Republican nomination for president: Bush, Carson, Christie, Cruz, Fiorina, Gilmore, Graham, Huckabee, Jindal, Kasich, Pataki, Paul, Perry, Rubio, Santorum, Trump, or Walker? (Totals may add up to more than 100% because multiple responses were allowed)
"

Trump got 29% in Florida, 31% in Ohio, and 36% in Pennsylvania. To have that many GOP voters in swing states saying Trump has no shot at their vote? Good luck Donald.

Once Joe Biden officially throws his hat in the ring, Hillary will lose her front runner position with the Dems.

Agree.

Hilary is a fraud as well, and just untrustworthy at this point. Dunno how Biden will do against Sanders though. Bernie is picking up a good bit of steam.

 

[prison/con.net]

how many of those twits had, or have now or can even RAISE the 9 billion that Don's got? How many of them have the sort of connections or deal experience that he's got? They dont have 10% of EITHER, which means that he's 100x the better man for the job.

 

[speed dawg]

how many of those twits had, or have now or can even RAISE the 9 billion that Don's got? How many of them have the sort of connections or deal experience that he's got? They dont have 10% of EITHER, which means that he's 100x the better man for the job.

What's even better is the clowns out there calling him a moron. Morons don't amass billions of dollars. No matter where you came from.

 

[Jaylan]

how many of those twits had, or have now or can even RAISE the 9 billion that Don's got? How many of them have the sort of connections or deal experience that he's got? They dont have 10% of EITHER, which means that he's 100x the better man for the job.

In other words, you refuse to acknowledge what actual voters are saying about Trump. You just want to make any rationalization about why you think (want) him to win. Can you actually discuss and attempt to refute any of the numbers Ive presented?

Or is your position simply that because Trump is rich, he will win? Romney was a rich businessman too ya know. Certainly not as rich as Trump...but the point is that riches dont win presidencies. Policies and relatability do. Trump is a fraud, as well as a flip flopper with crap policies. He's also made himself unlikable and un-relatable to the key demographic he needs to win the White House---Latinos.

Trump has already lost the Latino vote. You dont win without them. I made a thread earlier this year highlighting how the GOP's share of the Latino vote has been shrinking over the last few elections. Trump's rhetoric is going to make sure he gets little of that vote if he's the GOP candidate.

 

[Poonani Maker]

What's even better is the clowns out there calling him a moron. Morons don't amass billions of dollars. No matter where you came from.

Yeah, he's no moron, since his youngest days as a business man. I had NO IDEA about THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G59mNNfLZx8

I'm a little concerned about ole Trump now. He talks about "not being" beholdened to ANYBODY. Well, clearly that's not the case. The small man can NEVER win the prez like he used to, though Obama, I guess was relatively small. America's Done, I think. Put a fork in her.

 

[speed dawg]

...but the point is that riches dont win presidencies. Policies and relatability do.

Do you understand what the silent majority really is?

Trump is a fraud, as well as a flip flopper with crap policies. He's also made himself unlikable and un-relatable to the key demographic he needs to win the White House---Latinos.

Untrue. He's incredibly consistent. Many Christians didn't even vote (stupidly) in the last election because Romney was a Mormon. They alone can probably make up a huge difference.

It is also clear that you know NOTHING about the majority of latinos. I live among and work with them every single day. They don't identify with your views, no matter how much you want that to be true. And the ones in Texas and Florida are just like anybody else, sh*t they've been there for 3 and 4 generations now.

You dont win without them.

Yeah, this isn't true. You watch too much TV. Go to census.gov and educate yourself so you won't continue looking like an idiot.

Yeah, he's no moron, since his youngest days as a business man. I had NO IDEA about THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G59mNNfLZx8

Smart, if you ask me. He knows who controls the money and seemingly knows how to control those people. And Trump will tell you all of this straight up.

 

[magna]

romney never had 10% of what trump has, either money or knowledge. Trump's got the White House in his pocket, folks, if he'll just keep doing what he's doing.

 

[Zunder]

Maybe Kevin Spacey from House of Cards could be made the real Prez?