Has the female dualistic mating strategy existed longer than the male's dualistic mating strategy?

[christie]

Each gender has a dualistic mating strategy.

Females = Alpha f*cks and Beta bucks

Males = Main home lay with limitless side lays

Which existed first? The female strategy that then caused the males to develop theirs?

 

[christie]

good question. From the man side, most men will always be one woman men. This is how a tribe or civilization maintains cohesiveness. Don’t buy into the garbage science. The temperament for multiple women does not exist in most men. Oh sure, there may be a target of opportunity such as a woman coming on strong to him. The impetus to thrive exists in them when they have a woman and/or children to give them purpose. This is the way of things.

The other men, best hunters, leaders, savage survivors are a different genre of men. The Cheyenne tribe called their nonconformists, “Dog Soldiers”. These men will never be loyal and are open game for any woman executing her breeding strategy. They are shared property between women. Their seed is spread throughout the women which is also an evolutionary adaptation to diversify the DNA of human beings.

And is why native tribes were notorious slavers. This will manifest with the woman who wants to be a sex slave and turned on by it. She is not sick or mentally damaged. She is dramatizing a real phenomena. She will do most any sex act with the man/men who have or have adopted the “breeder” mindset. This is the same dramatization.

This provider/breeder concept is actually a choice. Made rather solid by the modern enforced social structure and the power gained by feminism.

women MUST obtain a provider by biological drive. It manifests today as a high career oriented woman as “I don’t need a man but I want one.”. This is of course garbage. She wants a man to keep her mind and life structure in line. Women by default will self sabotage their life. Strong fathers create more stable women for men coming up to have a as mate.
Women live in a reality that modern men just don’t have any concept of. Men are tools. Provider or breeder. There is no in-between. A man is nothing else. Not in woman’s reality.

She will slowly loose her “desire” for the man she is with. It no longer has the strength to elicit breeding response in her. At this point her dualistic sexual strategy kicks it. It is designed this way.

Here is what’s important...she only knows what she feels. Exactly as designed. Right man, right time, right place? She will execute it. Her biology is sooo powerful in this that it is almost impossible for her to resist. Feminism and government bias and protection give her the perfect environment to execute.

Because she has very little or no control over her biology that it is/was common in ALL cultures to limit her contact and even cover her face in public to other men. For centuries the penalty was death.

Bottom line...men what their woman/women to bear HIS offspring.

Answer to your question...same time or closely around the same time. This happened which allows this civilization to exist. We would not even be here otherwise.

(This is a simplified explanation. It gets even more interesting in the expanded form)

Does it ever get interesting!

Of course, my admitted motivation for learning this is to learn some game tricks to not only shortcircuit men's DMS(no limitless side lays, only me) but also to shortcircuit my own DMS(even though I'm not reproducing, I would like to remain alpha-attracted to my 'beta' for complete satisfaction.)

If I was able to train myself to learn the men's workworld as an actual 'feminist' who backed up actions to her demand for same opportunities....surely I can use this residual testosterone/drive to manipulate and sculpt my ideal LTR as stated above. Knowing the base of these DMS's in the genders now.

I thought maybe it was important to determine which gender developed these strategies first because then I would know which one (me or the future Him)to invest more effort in sculpting.

I bet you I could do it. I bet you I can influence myself and propagandise some man to carry out this christie strategy.

I'm being a little bit playful but sometimes if we don't at least imagine our dreams out loud, how can we ever think we'd succeed?

 

[christie]

Hey, and thanks for your reply Finalline.
Each time I reread your reply I learn something new.
I tend to get 'high' on the emotionality of ideas and forget that I need to slow down for logic.

Great info you presented.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Each gender has a dualistic mating strategy.

Females = Alpha f*cks and Beta bucks

Males = Main home lay with limitless side lays

Which existed first? The female strategy that then caused the males to develop theirs?

One more time. Before modern day conditioning. Men have natural instinct to protect and provide for the babes who are his interest that he's having sex with. His natural instinct will harm or kill another man getting too close. He does not need to be told to behave this way, this is the unadulterated programming at the basic level of natural masculinity. He does not want to SHARE babes. He would not pass babes around. He would have enhanced feelings of strength, vitality and endurance around his object of his desire who he's sexing, and it would cause him to provide and protect.

Her natural instinct also provides for the man who takes care of her. She would want to do these things, naturally as a result of the actions of the male.

Anything beyond that is social programming which has been going on in various ways over thousands of years. Those natural feelings end up being supressed and put away.

 

[christie]

Im glad you are reading it in the light of improvement. Most will read it and not be able to confront its brutal impact on a man unknowing still stuck in the feminine imperative while at the same time thinking he’s “red-pilled”.

Most are here to convert themselves into chick magnets with the hidden agenda of finding happiness through a woman.

I've seen that in the past year of reading every day here. I totally cannot remember which member(s), but I have seen where they improve up until the point they've attracted a chic and then they think they are 'set' and are confused when she operates on her DMS - dualistic mating strategy and inevitabily causes him Unhappiness.

But at least these members are putting some skin in the game.

Right now I'm just theorising and planning from the lowrisk keyboard.

I keep telling myself that the improvements I've been successful in making are enough and in fact, they are a whole lot better than any other period of my life in such a short time. Again, I'm not reproducing, so I fortunately do not have that ticking time bomb egging me on.
I can afford an even more leisurely pace than the rate at which I've been improving because these changes are permanent lifestyle, life type changes.

Its hard to evaluate one's own success and productive level in one's personal life. This is exciting to think that I may have some of the secrets to relationships. I just have to influence and train myself and permanently improve to attract my dream.

 

[christie]

One more time. Before modern day conditioning. Men have natural instinct to protect and provide for the babes who are his interest that he's having sex with. His natural instinct will harm or kill another man getting too close. He does not need to be told to behave this way, this is the unadulterated programming at the basic level of natural masculinity. He does not want to SHARE babes. He would not pass babes around. He would have enhanced feelings of strength, vitality and endurance around his object of his desire who he's sexing, and it would cause him to provide and protect.

Her natural instinct also provides for the man who takes care of her. She would want to do these things, naturally as a result of the actions of the male.

Anything beyond that is social programming which has been going on in various ways over thousands of years. Those natural feelings end up being supressed and put away.

Yes.
A single mating strategy.

I see what you're illustrating. Its making me think. When I think I had a beta was he really even a good enough beta?(provider)
I only felt once that I had some semblance of an alpha but did he really (protect)?

What you described is probably ancient....like start of creation ancient. I recognise what you're illustrating.
But I also don't know that I've seen it thoroughly and completely. Again, my parents and both sets of grandparents didn't use the beta for bucks and go f*ck alphas and conversely didn't have the main home lay and limitless side lays but how come I have never met any man or heard of any relationship that has done this?

How is it my own family are the only examples I have ever known?

Can you appreciate how hypervigilant I grew up? I knew as a little girl what my family had was worth more than all the riches in the world, more beautiful than anything in nature.
Its f*cked me up a little bit not finding this for myself. But I chose not to comply by reproducing so I take responsibility that I put myself into an outlier category but what I have learned in the manosphere is that others who aren't like me are still experiencing the same disappointments.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes.
A single mating strategy.

I see what you're illustrating. Its making me think. When I think I had a beta was he really even a good enough beta?(provider)
I only felt once that I had some semblance of an alpha but did he really (protect)?

What you described is probably ancient....like start of creation ancient. I recognise what you're illustrating.
But I also don't know that I've seen it thoroughly and completely. Again, my parents and both sets of grandparents didn't use the beta for bucks and go f*ck alphas and conversely didn't have the main home lay and limitless side lays but how come I have never met any man or heard of any relationship that has done this?

How is it my own family are the only examples I have ever known?

Before we get taught to think a different way those natural feelings are there in almost any masculine male.

 

[christie]

Before we get taught to think a different way those natural feelings are there in almost any masculine male.

thanks for this warmth of hope that there's this base to build on.
thanks very much

 

[mrgoodstuff]

thanks for this warmth of hope that there's this base to build on.
thanks very much

With those unadulterated feelings the sex is better. Hotter. He really cares there are no social convention or games in the middle diluting the strength.

 

[derby1]

Females = Alpha f*cks and Beta bucks

Women in the UK get pregnant by any old dossa, and far from alpha males

 

[christie]

Remember that community property men, are fundamentally not conformists. We put all kinds of words and ideas to a very simple concept.

I’ve heard actual women and have read actual women who have stated openly about sex with the two different men, the conformists and the nonconformists. We attach all kinds of useless words and concepts to these two different types of men. It gets wild with even religious beliefs thrown in at different times.

Sex with the conformist is functional sex. Rationed and controlled by her with the end game of protection, food, etc. this more limited and sparse version of sex is extremely powerful at holding the provider in place. Unbelievably powerful. The man will even work twice as hard to get that sex. Doing everything to maintain. It’s an absolute trap. The ups and downs of this man’s life is brutal to say the least.

Sex with feminine community property men (nonconformists, what we call chads or alphas) are just as big a tool. You are still servicing her biology (needs).
But the sex with the nonconformist is different. She most definitely knows it’s short term or has no provider value.

Thus those women who have openly admitted the two different men, state:

“Oh no. I would never have that really dirty of sex with a boyfriend unless trying to obtain him but most likely won’t. Just good enough is all that’s necessary.
The other, short term men, (nonconformists) I know he is emotionally unavailable so I can do anything with him without feeling like a slvt. We both know it’s not forever.”

can you imagine for a hot minute that there are conformist men out there that actually turn down nonconformist sex.

I'm not even talking about anything too wild. Let's just use frequency of affection, never mind intercourse.
I will tell you that the same boyfriends who bat your hand away or lean away from alot of kissing or get a nasty tone of voice if I do the Public Display of Affection are also the ones who are missionary only 9 minute men.
It is not just women choosing to 'never have that really dirty of sex with a boyfriend'
There's some guys out there FinalLine that act sexaverse!!

That old requirement to maintain virginity could also be important just simply to have avoided such travesty. Its weird dating a guy who is affection and sex averse.

Now I only replied to one part of your post here

 

[christie]

Women in the UK get pregnant by any old dossa, and far from alpha males

they were like trick alphas at the right time of the ovulation cycle.

 

[derby1]

they were like trick alphas at the right time of the ovulation cycle.

theyre not, its to secure the welfare bag..........40% of guys getting women pregnant in the UK, look like fido dido the 7up man

 

[christie]

With those unadulterated feelings the sex is better. Hotter. He really cares there are no social convention or games in the middle diluting the strength.

Yes. I believe it.

Up until he gets attraction signals from another babe because he looks so good from the regular main lay. You've said it yourself over and over.
Then we're proving the man has a Dual mating strategy as he goes to consummate that new babe who showed interest...thus harming the first babe.(emotionally, psychologically and potentially physically as he forgets who he's supposed to protect more, the first babe or the new additional babes)

Mark my words, I will discover or invent the game tricks to shortcircuit this mrgoodstuff.
So far, using wigs or new looks or roleplaying as a new woman wouldn't work because its actually the different or as Patrice Oneal says 'strange' p*ssy that he can't turn down.

Isolating the man by keeping options away from him or betatization by a thousand cuts are the two dark triad ways.

A fourth way, which I can't disprove yet, is to self develop to such an enlightened state that he's permanently enamored(not by pedastalising me but by truly loving me in a state that's very rare that only a few have seen or experienced it.(my witnessing of my parents and both grandparents)

 

[christie]

theyre not, its to secure the welfare bag..........40% of guys getting women pregnant in the UK, look like fido dido the 7up man

omg you keep getting funnier and funnier derby, enjoying your descriptions.
So you think these women are just using these guys as free sperm bank resource without paying the sperm bank?(I assume women pay for these half-humans at sperm banks...they don't give away the sperm for free at those banks?)
You're right.
And guess what, there's some bold alpha-pretend-alphas out there that capitalise on this. I remember reading a OLD dating profile that offered his ounces of sperm for free for who needed it. Wow hey? He might have got some bites, who knew.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes. I believe it.

Up until he gets attraction signals from another babe because he looks so good from the regular main lay. You've said it yourself over and over.
Then we're proving the man has a Dual mating strategy as he goes to consummate that new babe who showed interest...thus harming the first babe.(emotionally, psychologically and potentially physically as he forgets who he's supposed to protect more, the first babe or the new additional babes)

Mark my words, I will discover or invent the game tricks to shortcircuit this mrgoodstuff.
So far, using wigs or new looks or roleplaying as a new woman wouldn't work because its actually the different or as Patrice Oneal says 'strange' p*ssy that he can't turn down.

Isolating the man by keeping options away from him or betatization by a thousand cuts are the two dark triad ways.

A fourth way, which I can't disprove yet, is to self develop to such an enlightened state that he's permanently enamored(not by pedastalising me but by truly loving me in a state that's very rare that only a few have seen or experienced it.(my witnessing of my parents and both grandparents)

Oh yeah natural man will cheat but he'll have one he prefers. He literally could not share the ones important. His drive and impulses will make him kill or seriously harm.

 

[christie]

Oh yeah natural man will cheat but he'll have one he prefers. He literally could not share the ones important. His drive and impulses will make him kill or seriously harm.

what if I told you there are women that will not share their men(destroys relationship if they have cheated) and are capable of murdering (not only the other women but him as well) ?

*I do not know any that I'm aware of btw.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

what if I told you there are women that will not share their men(destroys relationship if they have cheated) and are capable of murdering (not only the other women but him as well) ?

*I do not know any that I'm aware of btw.

True.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

True.

All of those feelings are natural, before any societal, group politics or pop culture conditioning adjusts it. Those feelings become repressed. It shows in nature there is a sense of "ownership" and "union" and no one has to tell you to "feel" that way. It's before we are conditioned. That maritial units would've existed before the church, due to those same feelings.

 

[christie]

All of those feelings are natural, before any societal, group politics or pop culture conditioning adjusts it. Those feelings become repressed. It shows in nature there is a sense of "ownership" and "union" and no one has to tell you to "feel" that way. It's before we are conditioned. That maritial units would've existed before the church, due to those same feelings.

thanks, I personally have zero tolerance for men's dualistic mating strategy as we know it in 2021.
I am certain of this intolerance and will burn it all down(paraphrasing cobratate and his stance on cheating? and divorce in an early interview on Rollo's show)rather than experience this betrayal hurt again.



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This next strategy I'm already succeeding at is a highly elevated selfdevelopment game.

I'll probably eventually meet a man willing to shortcircuit his societallyprogrammed dualistic mating strategy, but I do tend to get impatient so I was wondering if I should also be trying to train a man at the same time as improving myself. Can a woman even train a man who isn't aware?

This is top secret intellectualising....I DO NOT talk like this off forum with anyone.