Has she discredited herself or am I reading this situation wrong?

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long read... all names are fictional


So I've been talking to HB8 Jamie for about 2 months or so. Anyone that knows her knows she's a virgin and everyone that has tried to get with her have failed. She claims she's never been with anyone because she "hasn't found anyone with good intentions". Well that right there qualified her in my book as a worthy candidate (since I'm not into smashin girl after girl anymore). So I've been constantly putting in work, trying to get her to open up and trust me but of course I run into issues where she just doesn't know how to be close to someone. But I know for a fact that she is into me so that's not the issue here...


The issue is what happened last night and is she the girl that I really want. Basically what happen was I headed out to a club with my boys. Come to find out though it was terrible so while I'm there I call up Jamie to see what she was doing. She didn't answer the first time but called me back and said that her and her friends would come over when I get out, so hit her up. I reaffirmed it with her and she said she was sure so I was like OK and tell my boys we can go ahead and head back in about 45 minutes or so. While we're there I run into 2 of my girls Diana and Britney. Diana is a chick that would basically do anything for me and Britney is one that just recently started becomin interested. Anyway, they end up riding back with me and my boys. Halfway back to my place I call Jamie and get no answer. No problem. 20 minutes later when we arrive I call her again. No answer. :confused: I text her. No response. "The **** are you doing where you can reply/answer?" I'm thinking. I call her friend and she doesn't answer. So now I'm thinking it must be me.

So I get Diana to call her (she is kinda cool with them) and Jamie picks up on the first ring. Wow, OKKKK. Diana talks to her for a little bit and acts like she's not with me and is on the way to my house. Jamie gets all like "Oh yeah, Jessica dragged me over her with these basketball players blah blah blah, but I want to come over to his house with you!" . So yeah, Diana sets that up for me but in my mind I'm thinking "***** then why didn't tell me that shyt instead of ignore my calls?". Doesn't make ANY sense to me whatsoever. Not only that, she made arrangements to come pick her up seem soooooo difficult, to the point where Diana and Britney were damn near irritated. But whatever, I'm used to her being difficult so we arrange to go pick her up. And this when shyt really kinda gets ****ed up.

I get in front of the dorm and the bball players are leaving. I end up driving Jamie's car for her cuz all her and her 2 friends are ****ed up. Before I pull off though, I noticed one of her friends (Jessica) is FUCCCCCCKED up and Jamie starts hollerin that the bball players stole $400 from her friend when they were gamblin. I give 2 shyts about that, but then she starts sayin that the players also ran a train on her friend. I'm like "WTF were you doing, watchin your friend get ran thru?" . Mind you, Jamie knows her friend is a hoe, so I kinnnnnnnnda understood her not TRULY trying to interfere.. But I take them back to my apt thinking Jessica is just ready to pass out, no biggie, she can have the couch, and I was gon just have Jamie stay in my room wit me.

We get to the apt and me and Britney drag Jessica up. On the way up all the girls are talking about having to wake up at 6am for somethin (they were all cheerleaders and dancers). When we get in there, and get Jessica on the couch, I noticed her condition getting worse. Being the good guy that I am, I sit there and tend to her drunk ass (she's telling dont leave her blah blah blah). While I'm there, Jamie tells the whole story to Diana and Britney, laughing about it how Jessica got trained on. Everyone is kinda lookin like "You're one ****ed up friend". At this point, Jessica completely done and I see she really needs to lay down so I take her to my bed. This ***** is just straight sufferin and beggin me not to leave so I just get on my computer and turn on Hangover because at this point I don't feel like ****in wit anyone. After a lil bit Britney is coming in and out sitting on my lap watching the movie then finally she comes in and just starts making out with me. I'm thinking "I dont give a **** if Jamie sees, she ain't the chick I thought she was." Eventually Jamie comes in a couple times and I can tell she's trying to act like its nothing but then she starts trying to get Jessica up and saying "let's go, we gotta go", sounding irritated. She then ends up storming out my apt, slamming the door.


"hahahahaaaa", goes through my head and then I just tell everyone I'll take care of Jessica, yall can go home. I walk em all down to the car and as I'm walking back, Jamie is comin behind me talkin about she ain't leaving Jessica. I'm like whatever. I walk to my room and Jessica is gone. We look all over the apt and its like this ***** disappeared. "WTF IS GOING ONNNNNN?!" I'm thinkin. I end up opening the washer room and Jessica is sitting there, panties down. I'm thinkin **** it, go ahead take this ***** with you" and I go to my room. Diana and Britney come back in and after they go in the washer room they inform me that Jessica shytted herself. *pause* no, please dont say that.. *pause* really? *pause*......................... ****.


Britney and Diana tell me not to leave my room, and that they're gonna clean everything up and take care of it all. While they're in there, they are fightin with Jamie on how they need to take care of Jessica and it just sounds heated. The whole time, Jamie is kinda like "I can't get close to her, I'll throw up". While Britney is tending to her, Jessica is constantly tellin Jamie to go away and saying to Britney "don't let her over here she's going to make me drink morrrrreee". Fast forward, they get everything all cleaned up and Jamie and them are finally able to get Jessica back to the car (Jamie's other friend has sobered up so she's able to help). They drive home and I take Diana and Britney back.. Of course, Diana and Britney's whole perception on Jamie has changed so they're tellin me don't **** wit her blah blah blah (my boys had told me that b4 they left too).

I drop them off and call Jamie just to see if Jessica's alright. Jamie sounds panicky because she doesn't know what to do because Jessica's getting worse and worse. (found out early she had been drinkin brown and white liquor, and a lot of it). I tell her to get the security guard and call the ambulance. Apparently she does that and texts me around 5 saying that Jessica is in the hospital.

So now I'm just sitting here today with all this shyt going thru my mind. I'm so pissed and disappointed in Jamie, not because she brought her ****ed up friend to my place but because of how she allowed it to get to that point and how she acted with the situation. But I'm also kinda wondering, do I really have reason to be mad? Her bestfriend/roommate already is a hoe so maybe Jamie was just like "Do you, I'm not gettin in the way".


IDK yo, I don't know really what to do from here. We were suppose to have our first real 1 on 1 date today and that was gonna be when I really went for it all. But of course now, everything is just ****ed up.

What do you guys suggest I do here? Write it off as a ****ed up night that wasn't Jamie's fault (Right before Diana got on her "**** Jamie" attitude, she said that Jamie was begging to come to my place over the phone and Jessica was the one that had them stuck in there with the bball squad)? But why didn't the ***** call me/respond to my text?


I should've known last night was gonna be bad when I had to watch Phoenix lose by a damn buzzer beater. Why was scrub ass Dudley guardin Jamal Crawford? I KNEW that shyt was going in
 

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Wow that sounds messed up man. First though, your being to stalkerish. Call her once leave a message. If she doesn't call back **** her cuz shes just not interested. She may be in your "book" but she sounds like her life is just completely messed up. I think though she might see you as a friend...And your trying to hard man aha.
 

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The amount of partners a woman has been with does not determine whether she is a quality girl or not. The way she treats her friend is an indicator, the way she acts when she drinks is an indicator, etc. She does not sound like a quality girl. All the stuff in this thread looks like red flags
 

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Alextheegreat said:
Wow that sounds messed up man. First though, your being to stalkerish. Call her once leave a message. If she doesn't call back **** her cuz shes just not interested. She may be in your "book" but she sounds like her life is just completely messed up. I think though she might see you as a friend...And your trying to hard man aha.
I tried to make it clear in the first paragraph lol... Her interest in me isn't the issue. This isn't the one of the first encounters with her. If you were to ask her friends, they'd say we're 'semi dating'. One of em had the nerve to say "you need to grab your balls and ask her out and if you don't like her find out you don't like her, let her down easy plz". I LOL'd like hell @ that cuz I couldnt believe she said it, but her circle really really urgin me to put more effort into this 'relationship' because she's always talkin about me. But I'm not the one to just start having feelings for someone before they show me their heart. And that hasn't ever been an issue for me until now. Just take my word for it lol...


I highly doubt she'd think I'm a stalker all of a sudden because I called her twice last night. If anything, she'd think that was out of character of me because I don't ever call her.


But like I said earlier it's not about "Does she like me?" at this point, it's "is she worth pursuing after this scenario?". Do I really have reason to look at her sideways after this or was is out of her hands?
 

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Perfect said:
I tried to make it clear in the first paragraph lol... Her interest in me isn't the issue. This isn't the one of the first encounters with her. If you were to ask her friends, they'd say we're 'semi dating'. One of em had the nerve to say "you need to grab your balls and ask her out and if you don't like her find out you don't like her, let her down easy plz". I LOL'd like hell @ that cuz I couldnt believe she said it, but her circle really really urgin me to put more effort into this 'relationship' because she's always talkin about me. But I'm not the one to just start having feelings for someone before they show me their heart. And that hasn't ever been an issue for me until now. Just take my word for it lol...


I highly doubt she'd think I'm a stalker all of a sudden because I called her twice last night. If anything, she'd think that was out of character of me because I don't ever call her.


But like I said earlier it's not about "Does she like me?" at this point, it's "is she worth pursuing after this scenario?". Do I really have reason to look at her sideways after this or was is out of her hands?
It is clear now haha, why not have her pursue you? If you pursue her then make sure your getting other women's numbers and dates cuz if she ditches ya, then your ****ed!
 

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Perfect said:
I tried to make it clear in the first paragraph lol... Her interest in me isn't the issue. This isn't the one of the first encounters with her. If you were to ask her friends, they'd say we're 'semi dating'. One of em had the nerve to say "you need to grab your balls and ask her out and if you don't like her find out you don't like her, let her down easy plz". I LOL'd like hell @ that cuz I couldnt believe she said it, but her circle really really urgin me to put more effort into this 'relationship' because she's always talkin about me. But I'm not the one to just start having feelings for someone before they show me their heart. And that hasn't ever been an issue for me until now. Just take my word for it lol...


I highly doubt she'd think I'm a stalker all of a sudden because I called her twice last night. If anything, she'd think that was out of character of me because I don't ever call her.


But like I said earlier it's not about "Does she like me?" at this point, it's "is she worth pursuing after this scenario?". Do I really have reason to look at her sideways after this or was is out of her hands?


Hmmmm your using things her friends are telling you as validation that Jamie definitely likes you. Never a good place to draw conclusions from.

Have you kissed Jamie yet?

Does she ever call you on her own?

You guys haven't even gone out alone yet and your letting your ego get in the way of your better judgement.

Jamie showed you a lot last night and none of it was good. If she's so on your nutz why didn't she answer your calls/texts if she was "dyyyying to come to your place? Then answers right away when Diane called?

Your making the classic mistake of trying to qualify yourself to this girl because she's virgin and supposedly a "good girl."

If you take on thing from my advice here it is: NEVER CHANGE YOUR PLAN OF ATTACK TO TRY TO FIT IN TO A GIRL'S IDEALS! THAT'S AFC BEHAVIOR!

Instead plan and plot your attack, but keep your core game unchanged.

My honest opinion is Jamie has low interest in you at the moment. Again you can think I'm wrong but ask yourself what has this girl shown me in terms of actions that say "I really like you."

Expect her to pull back more now since she saw you making out with the other chick if she truly is a "good girl." With most girls this will elevate interest somewhat cuz they get jealous.

Pull back from Jamie, I don't care how many girls are on your nutz, each girl you show interest in will only judge you for how you interact with them. Right now your changing your game to appease Jamie, which will stroke her ego and make her harder to get. And the worst part is she's not even worth all this hassle.






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Pimp-sicle said:
Hmmmm your using things her friends are telling you as validation that Jamie definitely likes you. Never a good place to draw conclusions from.

Have you kissed Jamie yet?

Does she ever call you on her own?

You guys haven't even gone out alone yet and your letting your ego get in the way of your better judgement.

Jamie showed you a lot last night and none of it was good. If she's so on your nutz why didn't she answer your calls/texts if she was "dyyyying to come to your place? Then answers right away when Diane called?

Your making the classic mistake of trying to qualify yourself to this girl because she's virgin and supposedly a "good girl."

If you take on thing from my advice here it is: NEVER CHANGE YOUR PLAN OF ATTACK TO TRY TO FIT IN TO A GIRL'S IDEALS! THAT'S AFC BEHAVIOR!

Instead plan and plot your attack, but keep your core game unchanged.

My honest opinion is Jamie has low interest in you at the moment. Again you can think I'm wrong but ask yourself what has this girl shown me in terms of actions that say "I really like you."

Expect her to pull back more now since she saw you making out with the other chick if she truly is a "good girl." With most girls this will elevate interest somewhat cuz they get jealous.

Pull back from Jamie, I don't care how many girls are on your nutz, each girl you show interest in will only judge you for how you interact with them. Right now your changing your game to appease Jamie, which will stroke her ego and make her harder to get. And the worst part is she's not even worth all this hassle.






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I appreciate that sir but that's common knowledge to me. I didn't think I needed to convince you guys that she was interested in me.


I've come to the conclusion though that it's not that serious. Although I do find what was goin on with her friend and them a lil ****ed up, it shouldn't be of my concern.


I'm not too happy though because I planned on today being the day that I either pull her all the way in or forget about it. Gonna have to reschedule another date.
 

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I donno dude. 2 months and no play? Actions speak louder than words. I understand she's a virgin but you should've at least made out by now. Also, saw on Dateline: Bl0wj0bs are the new goodnight kiss. Have you gotten a kiss goodnight? Lastly, avoid girls that hang out with the basketball, football, baseball, etc. team in secluded places with alcohol, drugs, and sex. We athletes call those chicks groupies.

As far as your situation? What PIMP said. I know you've invested 2 months here but from what you're telling me, I'm sure you could do better from what you've explained above.
 
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this girl sounds like a train wreck to me man, way too much drama going on with her. make her work for you or cut your losses and move on. good luck.
 
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