Has anyone seen this?

[Kirro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

Its a very long watch. 2hrs 40mins.

Anyone care to discuss. I think its quite interesting in a depressing kind of way.

 

[Drdeee]

Seen first film back in 2007 or 8. It opened up my eyes.

 

[DanelMadr]

Part number One: Everything is rotten.

Half truth, simplifications, biased....stirred to only conclusion...'All is rotten because of inequality.'

Equality is nowhere to be seen in nature not even among twins. Equality is unobtainable and undesirable, because prevents evolution, adaptation.
To achieve equality everyone have to be as dumb, or pretend to be, as the dumbest person alive. The same goes to skills, health, drive, emotions, looks............


G.Orwell's book Animal Farm mentions equality.....'All animals are equal'...'but some are more equal' especially those who have the oversight over animals to behave equal...like communist aparatchicks caricatured as pigs.

Part Two:

'Welcome to Communism 2.0.....it will work this time....because we have a computer.'
'Take a pill. Take a vacation. Go to work. You don't need that anymore.'

It is only missing the famous barb wire....to prevent the whole planet's population to migrate to such places as Hawaii, leaving no one to work on them.

Welcome to f@cking Matrix.

'Nature is a Dictatorship'....that is new...communists 1.0 wanted to 'command wind and rain'....I guess you have to derive your power from something....'We wanna save the nature....therefore you have to submit to our ideas.'

How to achieve this?.....as in communism (didn't make the scientific test criteria, but put that aside) you first need to get rid of opposition....this paradise on Earth can be achieved only with likely minded people 'who get it'...put them to camps for reeducation and the new ones (children) to communal care....remember the part in that propaganda flick when they stress about 'abandoned children'?

But let's assume that everyone 'gets it', since no one is better off in term of material possessions there is no envy. There is no gluttony - everyone eats his equal share of food in ratio to his work expenditure....so you can;t become fat.

Females pair with males based on pure love....no money involved and no power issue since the computer is the boss.

Men are head over heals to do the worst job they can get, like drilling for resources in Antarctica, in order to make the planet better place for their children (if they get a permit to reproduce). WAIT. WHAT?

Will men devout their lives for inventing Fusion Reactor, which would made energy needs covered without drilling and such? Not for gain, there is none.
Yeah, eventually there will be one selfless genius who will invent that....better than strolling around city, which is exactly the same as another city....but there is higher probability we will find one such genius when we offer comparative advantage....like ehmm...money.

Did I mention that the whole population would have to rotate frequently in order for everyone to enjoy living and working in close proximity to sandy beaches. If I will be placed in a northern f@cking Europe, I want some compensation.

FREE MARKET created automation. Who will become Automation expert if he could just walk in a park all day fornicating with females?....yeah offer him Hawaii vacation....WHAT? I want that too, man. This is inequality.


When it lies like a communist, wants you to live in commune, with no private property rights, no voting, centrally planed and ruled, then it is a communist, no matter how much it think it is not one.

COMMUNISM 2.0 now with a computer
version 1.0 ended in FATAL ERROR
are you ready for another test?
You know what communist said about the fail....'Lenin was wrong to start it in Russia, because you first need capitalism to build you the machinery, industry.'
And now they think capitalism generated enough wealth to build their dream society on. Can they achieve it this time? Not a f@cking chance, sorry.
Why?Because the cosmos is in it's nature unpredictable. Flip of butterfly wings can produce hurricane. No central planner can compute all the odds.
The best we can do is to use the best computer we have between our ears. Compute what is best for ourselves and let the others do that too in their own space and time.

Now I see why commies 1.0 so hated freedom. In order to be equal to live in paradise we all have to be slaves.

I lived in communism, I know their rhetoric...it is carbon copy+ecology. But Greens are really melons....green on the outside, red inside.

 

[n00bPimp]

Yeah, and capitalism is working like a charm.

When we have destroyed all rain forests and all animals, thats when capitalism will have accomplished its goal. What goal? To progress towards a better future. Screw the present, no time to be happy now, we must worry about future generations. Thats how my father, his father, and his father's father lived. And now look at us, we have all these nice things in our lives, but are we happier than they were? Are you as an individual enjoying the things that capitalism has brought you? or are you still complaining that you want more?

You see the paradox? Either you live in the NOW or you live for the future, one will bring you happiness right now, the other one is a promise of eventual happiness, which of course will never come because, by definition, the future is never here, its always 'there'.

The beauty about Zeitgeist is that its based on living in the now. Which of course, requires us to get rid of thousands of years of social programming, it requires us to TRUST that our ability to focus will bring us what we need AND is enough to satisfy us.

Believing that a non-capitalist system must be inherently a communist system is what's preventing us from evolving as a society.

 

[DanelMadr]

Seen first film back in 2007 or 8. It opened up my eyes.

I was reliving my youth. We had TV shows similar to this in sov bloc....but with lamer soundtrack.

Freedom is the enemy? Really? Again?

 

[DanelMadr]

Yeah, and capitalism is working like a charm.

When we have destroyed all rain forests and all animals, thats when capitalism has accomplished its goal. We will not be satisfied until that day comes.

Believing that a non-capitalist system must be inherently a communist system is what's preventing us from evolving as a society.

When the oil gets too expensive they will switch to something cheaper. Not bc someone forces them but because the more quantity the cheaper. Would you prevent farmers to cut forests...you would starve them.

Free market preserves forests better than central planners. Compare west and east. "Public" property does not work. Empirical evidence. Brasil sells it's forests bc their people have no voice. It wouldn't happen in the US.

Nothing is perfect but society in that video would be disaster. It is inefficient in nature. Energy consumption would be enormous. Spread the money/energy we have now, equally among population. How much have you? Not enough to renovate.

 

[DanelMadr]

Yeah, and capitalism is working like a charm.

When we have destroyed all rain forests and all animals, thats when capitalism will have accomplished its goal. What goal? To progress towards a better future. Screw the present, no time to be happy now, we must worry about future generations. Thats how my father, his father, and his father's father lived. And now look at us, we have all these nice things in our lives, but are we happier than they were? Are you as an individual enjoying the things that capitalism has brought you? or are you still complaining that you want more?

You see the paradox? Either you live in the NOW or you live for the future, one will bring you happiness right now, the other one is a promise of eventual happiness, which of course will never come because, by definition, the future is never here, its always 'there'.

The beauty about Zeitgeist is that its based on living in the now. Which of course, requires us to get rid of thousands of years of social programming, it requires us to TRUST that our ability to focus will bring us what we need AND is enough to satisfy us.

Believing that a non-capitalist system must be inherently a communist system is what's preventing us from evolving as a society.

Consumerism is living/eating now not thinking about future. And our gov is doing so....entitlement, welfare etc. through FED etc. central bank. We voted for gov who provided that. Friedman and Austrian school oppose that. The video hates on them. Because they also want free market?

The system is wrong because it spends more than it saves. Giving away $ to 'the poor' claiming it heals free market. It makes deeper wounds by spending more. It never heals. Bribing voters.

I approve of the Zen but you can't organize society on Zen. That is oxymoron. It is individual thing.

Central planning= Communism. Call it Scientific resource allocation or whatever but it CANNOT work. When everyone becomes buddha, then maybe. But then you don't need this. And construct this to make people like Buddha - getting rid of social programming? WTF?
Buddha became Buddha after he left such a paradise, remember?
It makes me cry. Now we use Buddha as ideology?

FREEDOM of choice is the way to NOW.

Equality is the message, not Now. And Equality is BS. You can only be equal in court of law The rest is envy-hurt ego.

 

[n00bPimp]

You don't need to find Nirvana or enlightenment to accomplish this.

All that is needed, is simply to become aware that you, along with mostly our entire civilization, are lost in your thoughts. The second thing thats needed, which this video makes a wonderful job at, is to learn how being lost in thought destroys the planet.

These 2 realizations will open your eyes to why it is important to live in unity as opposed to live for individual happiness. It will also make it easy to be inspired to do it. The reason why communism will never work, is because the ego was never addressed, the people were still lost in their thoughts of fear. The fear of being judged, to be looked down upon, the fear of not having enough, among others. This all comes from not being able to control your thoughts, and getting lost in them. And this is destroying the world by consuming all its resources just so that you can maintain that thought identification you have of yourself. "I'm well respected" "I'm better than my neighbor" "I have such and such possessions to show them who I am". This is what capitalism is based on, and its completely unsustainable. Just do some research on how many years more can live before food and oil runs out.

FREEDOM of choice is the way to NOW.

Is it freedom to be chained to a job you hate, but you have to keep because otherwise your family will starve? Is it really freedom to live in society that will punish you by letting you starve, because you chose to follow your passion which barely pays anything?
Do you sincerely feel that the average person in an average nation is free to dedicate their life to pursue their true passion and still live comfortably?


Have you ever wondered why cocaine use skyrockets in developed countries?
Or why dementia is so predominant in developed countries?

Why is it that wealthy people are so miserable and stressed?

 

[DanelMadr]

You don't need to find Nirvana or enlightenment to accomplish this.

All that is needed, is simply to become aware that you, along with mostly our entire civilization, are lost in your thoughts. The second thing thats needed, which this video makes a wonderful job at, is to learn how being lost in thought destroys the planet.

You are in ego trap, man. Thinking that others are not enlightened. Funny isn't it? Eckhart Tolle warns about it btw.:wave:

These 2 realizations will open your eyes to why it is important to live in unity as opposed to live for individual happiness. It will also make it easy to be inspired to do it.

Yep.

The reason why communism will never work, is because the ego was never addressed, the people were still lost in their thoughts of fear.

It was doomed because no "system" can address ego issues. Only individual can...his own ego. Can't you see that? Building Enlightened society is oxymoron. First you need the enlightened individuals...all of them. And you don't create them by using bias....like in the movie.

Is it freedom to be chained to a job you hate, but you have to keep because otherwise your family will starve? Is it really freedom to live in society that will punish you by letting you starve, because you chose to follow your passion which barely pays anything?
Do you sincerely feel that the average person in an average nation is free to dedicate their life to pursue their true passion and still live comfortably?

Monks can be monks only when others feed them.

Have you ever wondered why cocaine use skyrockets in developed countries?
Or why dementia is so predominant in developed countries?

Why is it that wealthy people are so miserable and stressed?

Because we are going on full throttle. We have to. Oil will be gone soon. If we don't progress to new technology - cheaper energy....we are back at the dark ages.
Actually we don't have to stress about it that much...but those environmentalists are so persuasive.