hamilton's improvement/boot camp journal

[hamilton]

Hey yall,

I figured I would finally get serious and start a journal chronicling my improvements, mostly to keep myself motivated. I'm a lot more likely to keep up with this if I know you guys will be busting my chops if I start slacking.

Anyways, a little about me. I'm currently 19, turning 20 this month, going into my jr year of college. I discovered this site back in high school, and actually started applying the techniques. I think I may have been a bit of a jerk, I don't really remember, but I do know that I reverted to my afc ways as soon as I got a girlfriend. My first 1.5 years of college were a haze of weed and booze, but at the beginning of spring semester sophomore year I started to get my **** together.

My improvements started with my diet and exercise. This past semester, I started lifting weights, running, and actually being somewhat mindful of my diet. This was a big step for me, as I had always managed to get away with living and eating like a slob before, since I am skinny and somewhat muscular, since I did gymnastics for a really long time in my youth.

Then, at the beginning of this summer, I started to get involved in martial arts (brazilian jiu jitsu and muay thai). I recommend this to any aspiring dj, as nothing is better for testosterone and self confidence than learning how to fight. Ive only been training for about 1.5 months now, but I'm in the best shape of my life and going to the gym is not work, it's incredibly fun.

While I've been improving in leaps and bounds physically, socially I'm still a mess. I'm very antisocial, walking around with my head down avoiding saying hi to anyone, always quiet at parties, etc. This is not for lack of confidence in my looks; in fact, I'm not sure why this is, but it's going to change, starting now.

About 2-3 weeks ago I stumbled upon this site once again, and after re-reading many articles that I had read before in high school, I decided to grab my balls and actually do the boot camp. On that note, here is my list of improvement goals for this journal.

1) Complete the boot camp. I am currently at school working in a research lab until 3 weeks from now when I will go home for 3 weeks. I will participate in the boot camp in both places, and then back at school after I leave home again.

2) Continue to train and improve in martial arts. There is a grappling tournament on july 25th that I would like to compete in (my first tournament!). I will need to do extra cardio work to prepare for this.

3) Music- I have been slacking as far as playing guitar goes. I will play at least 30 minutes every day (don't have much time to devote to it w/ work+training).

That's all for now, boot camp day 1 was today, will post results+thoughts later.

 

[hamilton]

7/9 - boot camp day 1

So I started out with the hi's today. I don't really have long stretches of free time on the weekdays so I'm going to be doing my eye contact sessions on Saturday and Sunday. The hi's so far have been pretty easy though, it was simple to just say "hi", or "good morning", or "g'day" to people I didn't know working in my building, or just walking around campus. I did choke quite a few times though, when people wouldn't make eye contact w/ me. All in all, I managed to get 8 hi's today, which wasn't too bad of a showing. After work, I went to the gym, and then I stopped by the grocery store to pick up some things. On the way out, I had a nice conversation with the cashier, which is not a huge deal, but it's something I would normally never do.

One thing I realized so far is that just taking the steps to start the boot camp has improved my confidence already. Anyways, off to work, can't wait to start day 2!

 

[hamilton]

7/11 - boot camp week 1 day 2-3

Yesterday was boot camp day 2. It was pretty uneventful, had a stressful day in the lab and didn't get more than 2-3 hi's off. Went to the gym after work and then stayed in last night since I had to wake up early this morning

Today, I went to the gym for a bit, showered up and then headed to the mall right from the gym for an hour of eye contact. Turned out this was harder than I expected! The mall was extremely crowded, and it was very hard to get anyone to catch my eye. I had no problems staring at people walking towards me and smiling, but there were so many people milling around very few people noticed. I got some hi's off though, with today and yesterday's work I'm at about 20 now. Towards the end of my hour, I started to have a little more success smiling earlier as I was walking towards my target, but even then it was difficult. I'm going to try going to the park tomorrow, I think it should be a little easier to find people in a sparser environment.

Tonight I have some friends I don't talk to that much coming over to watch ufc 100 so that will be a good chance to work on my conversation skills. Will report back tomorrow.

 

[hamilton]

7/12 - boot camp week 1 day 4

Today was pretty disappointing. I was planning on going to the park, but that turned out to be a dumb idea since the heat index was 108 here today. I ended up going back to the mall, with the same problems as yesterday. Didn't get much direct eye contact. Also, completely slacked on hi's, I'm only at about 22 now. My plan is to take a walk around campus at work the next couple of days, and try to get 10 hi's per day mwf. That will let me complete week 1 in time.

Semi-related, I managed to strike up conversation with cashiers twice today, which I was happy with. Both of them looked like they hated their job (annoyed, resigned faces) when I first came across them, and I left them smiling, which felt good. Not a huge deal, but I'm taking baby steps here!

 

[hamilton]

7/15 - week 1 complete!

So I managed to complete week 1 over the last 3 days, just barely. I choked on a lot more hi's than I would like to say though. I really have trouble doing it when they don't make eye contact with me. It just feels strange saying hi to someone who isn't looking at you/acknowledging you. So many people walk around with their heads down/pointing away from any people, it's crazy! I know I used to be one of those people but already it seems strange.

There was a new girl at my muay thai class tonight who was pretty fly, probably hb8 or so. I didn't talk to her yet, she was hanging out with the other few girls at my gym who I've also never talked to. I'm going home in 2 weeks and will continue the boot camp there, so I'm thinking I will wait til I get back from home to chat them up, once I have practice and experience (I'm home for 3 weeks).

Anyways, I'm pretty excited for week 2, although this is what will really take me out of my comfort zone. I'm probably going to have to try to get all 10 conversations done this weekend, I'll probably just go to the mall again and chat up store clerks/random people I see around alone. During the week, I will continue taking my walks to say hi to people, and if an opportunity for a conversation comes up, I will take it.

Now I have one question, I don't know if anyone is reading this, but what's the opinion on greeting cashiers/store employees by name if they have a name tag on? Should I still ask their name, or should I just greet them like we're old friends? I've been thinking about this for a while, so I figured I'd ask you guys.

 

[hamilton]

quick update:

got my first conversation of the week done today at the gym, some guy was watching the class after mine and I struck up a conversation with him-we talked for about 5 minutes. Can't wait to get out and do some cold convos with people, this one was super easy with all the context available.

 

[hamilton]

7/19 - Here's a quick update before I run out to the mall again.

Friday I got another conversation done at the gym with a new guy after class, we talked for 5-10 minutes out in the lobby. Once again, way too easy though, didn't really take me out of my comfort zone.

Saturday, I went over to the mall after the gym for a few hours, and talked to a bunch of people

Conversation 1: I started talking with this indian guy, let's call him Joe, in the line at Subway. He had moved here from india about ten years ago and traveled all across the country for a consulting firm before settling down in IT. He was really interesting, and I actually ended up eating lunch with him. This would have been completely unheard of for me to do before this boot camp. Tally: 3

Conversation 2: I shot the **** with a couple of guys in the Sony store for a while, since they had K1 fights playing on some of their badass TVs. I don't really count this towards my total of 10 though, since it wasn't so much a 1 on 1 conversation as just making offhand remarks about the fights happening.

Conversation 3: I went and tried on some clothes in american eagle and flirted with the cute girl working the dressing rooms. I asked her for advice on which shirt to pick, and I used the line "now would you say this shirt makes you want to rip it off and have your womanly way with me? because that's the sort of effect I'm going for here." I found that line on here sometime a while back, and it seemed to work well, she cracked up. I regretted not asking for her number when I left, but she seemed like she might have been a bit too young, and she was really busy. We didn't talk for more than 2 minutes though, so I'm not counting this one either.

Conversation 4: Went to get a haircut and talked for a while with the girl who washed my hair. Nothing notable here. Tally: 4

Conversation 5: Talked for the entire time with the old guy cutting my hair, let's call him Pablo. He was originally from Mexico City, he was a pretty cool guy. Tally: 5

Conversation 6: Went and tried on some shirts at Abercrombie, and once again flirted w/ the girl working the dressing rooms. We actually talked for a while, while I was waiting for a room, she was kinda cute but it turned out she had just graduated high school, so she was 2 years younger than me which is a little too young in my book. I am pretty sure I had her wrapped around my finger though, I was debating number closing but decided it would have been kinda sketchy since she was so young. I wouldn't have called, either way. Tally: 6

Today I went to go buy a desk and talked with another woman there who was buying one as well. She thought I was 15 or 16 though, and was shocked when I told her I was turning 20 this month. I need to find some way to look older or I think I'm going to have trouble getting people to take me seriously. Tally: 7

Anyways, I'm off to the mall again, I'll probably try talking to some people at borders, and people I see just sitting on benches alone in the mall. Cold approaching people is hard though! Even if they're not HBs, I always feel like theyre just gonna give me weird looks and want me to leave. I feel like I'm definitely making progress though.

-Hamilton

 

[hamilton]

update- worst day yet.

so today at the mall was awful. to start things off, on the way there, i realized that my car a/c is broken. i was dripping in sweat and pissed off when I arrived, so i promptly indulged in a large, meaty slice of pizza. (on a side note, i think i'd be a fat **** if i wasn't active/didn't have a fast metabolism- whenever i'm in a bad mood, i eat, it's my biggest vice).

Then, i watched people skating at the ice rink for a while. there was a girl standing next to me alone who was kinda cute, and i completely choked. i rationalized it since she looked VERY young, but still, i could have at least talked to her and found out if that was the case.

Next, i headed over to borders, and completely blanked there as well. Everyone seemed so involved in the books they were looking at! I am turning into a regular choke artist. After that, i was pretty pissed at myself already, so i decided to man up and start chatting with this cute asian chick working at a t shirt stand. turned out she barely spoke english and couldn't really understand anything i was saying.

After that I was slightly invigorated so when I caught the eye of an older man sitting alone on a bench, I went over and sat down next to him and said " how you doing". He didn't respond and turned away, so I didn't say anything else, i just watched the skaters. A minute or two later he picked up his phone and started talking in a non english language, so I think he might not have understood me. Regardless, yet another failure.

Anyways, this was definitely my worst day so far, and now i'm stuck at 7 with 3 days left to go in this week. Anyone have any advice for places to go to talk with people? I'm getting kind of sick of the mall. Even if I do finish this week, I'm already nervous for next week, it seems I have more approach phobia than I expected. I'm gonna read some more articles on this site though and see if that helps pump me up to continue to tomorrow.

 

[snowdog]

Good job on having this journal.

People are everywhere man - look around you. Don't turn this into a mission, make it happen as you go though your day. You have a busy and fun life (and if you don't, do something about it) which makes you go to different places. People are everywhere. At the gym, at the bus stop, walking on the sidewalk, waiting for the light to turn green, in college.... Public transportation is one of my favorite places to talk to girls (and random people). People are there, and they have to wait. Traveling is boring and essentially a waste of time.

Oh yea, you're in college. Tons of intelligent and worthy young people around that are fun to talk to. Probably the best place ever. I don't see the problem.


I'm personally not a big fan of these 'bootcamps' to be honest. It forces you too much. I say do it in your own speed, in your own way you're comfortable with. I never did these bootcamps, and I changed immensely the last year. Like an insane identity change. I'm a different person. How I did it? I just walked up to every girl and tried to have a conversation. Especially the really hot ones. I crashed and burned many times, and I still do. But eventually that's the way to success. Saying 'hi' to random people and keeping count is too small, man. That's for p*ssies. Dive into the deep right away. It'll be hard, but that's the thing. If it was easy it wouldn't be worth it, and fun.

And that's just the thing. Make it fun, and don't make a too big deal out of it. I laugh about getting rejected. Failure don't exist in this. There are only learning moments. You need to get the right mindset. Read the 'super tips' link in my signature, I'm sure it'll help you.

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. You remind me of me when I was in my dark place.

 

[hamilton]

Hey snowdog, thanks so much for the reply, I really appreciate it. I actually read your entire journal between last night and today at work and really enjoyed it, i hope to eventually improve as much as you have. I do think I have an interesting and busy life, my big problem is that right now I'm in a cave-like research lab 8 hours a day with a bunch of dudes, and then i'm off to the gym with a bunch of dudes, and then i go home and go to bed. Not too much opportunity to meet new people. Once school starts in the fall that will change though.

I do somewhat agree about the boot camp as well, although i think the fact that it's forcing me has its merits. I think i'm going to try and do it up through week 4, and then just carry on at my own pace. I just really need deadlines to get off my ass and do things, ya know?

Anyways, today I had a long chat with the janitor lady in the building my lab was in. I had talked to her briefly before, but today we talked for a good 10 minutes, so I'm counting it towards my tally. She told me about how her 8 year old son really wants a motorcycle (one of the miniature gas powered ones). She's against it, since she thinks he'll kill himself on it, but her husband wants her to "let him be a boy". She was quite hilarious actually. Tally: 8

Alright, i'm off to get ready for bed.

 

[hamilton]

7/22- week 2 complete

So today I did my last 2 conversations. The first was with another new guy in the gym- once again, too easy. After the gym, I went into best buy to try to find a desk lamp, and ended up talking with a guy working in the music department about guitar for a little bit. Turns out he'd been playing for over 10 years and had done some touring with a band, he was pretty cool.

I hate to be pessimistic, but my outlook for completing next week is not good. I had trouble completing this week, and this saturday I will be at a grappling tournament all day, taking away half of my weekend daytime socializing. Hopefully I'll be able to find a party or something that night though, we'll see what happens.

At the very least, I'm going to force myself to go out and do some cold approaches somewhere on Sunday. I still have never done a cold approach in my life, so it should be interesting. Stay tuned for crash and burn stories!

 

[snowdog]

Hey snowdog, thanks so much for the reply, I really appreciate it. I actually read your entire journal between last night and today at work and really enjoyed it, i hope to eventually improve as much as you have. I do think I have an interesting and busy life, my big problem is that right now I'm in a cave-like research lab 8 hours a day with a bunch of dudes, and then i'm off to the gym with a bunch of dudes, and then i go home and go to bed. Not too much opportunity to meet new people. Once school starts in the fall that will change though.

Take those same bunch of dudes to a bar for a change and approach every girl you see. Approaching girls gets easier when you have a few beers in you.

I do somewhat agree about the boot camp as well, although i think the fact that it's forcing me has its merits. I think i'm going to try and do it up through week 4, and then just carry on at my own pace. I just really need deadlines to get off my ass and do things, ya know?

Yea, I get ya. But to me it looks like you're beating yourself up over it. Stop doing that, it doesn't help you. Seriously, if you want this bad enough, you don't need this bootcamp stuff.

Go out as much as possible. You have a job, so you have money. What's the reason you're not going out? Hell, you can go to the bar/nightclub after work. It doesn't mean you'll have to get drunk. Drink a beer or two and just talk with random people. Have a chat with the bar man. If your friends or colleagues are boring you can even go alone. It'll be the best learning process. If you go home at around 12 and you haven't drank too much, you'll be fine the next day.

Meeting people is only as hard as you make it out to be.

 

[hamilton]

Well, my problem is I live in America, w/ terrible drinking laws. I'm turning 20 on monday so I still have a year to go. I may try to hit up some 18+ clubs though, do you think that would be worth doing alone? I kind of like the idea of going alone, all my friends are pretty antisocial so whenever I go to parties and such with them I end up only talking to them.

 

[snowdog]

Well, my problem is I live in America, w/ terrible drinking laws. I'm turning 20 on monday so I still have a year to go. I may try to hit up some 18+ clubs though, do you think that would be worth doing alone? I kind of like the idea of going alone, all my friends are pretty antisocial so whenever I go to parties and such with them I end up only talking to them.

Yea sure. Why not. If your friends aren't around you may even feel less constrained because they won't see you if you fail in approaching.

Have a couple of drinks in your house. I always do that before going out, because alcohol is expensive in clubs (beer is legal at 16 here, and hard booze at 18, your drinking laws indeed suck). Don't get wasted or anything, just get a nice buzz.

Get in party mode. Turn on your favorite song loudly and move with it. Only leave your house when you've reached that good vibe.

Now this next thing is very important.

Approach the first girl or group of girls you see as you walk in.

No excuses, no getting a drink first, no p*ssying out on this one. THE FIRST GIRL YOU SEE. Why? The first one is always the hardest. If you do this from the moment you're in there, the next ones will only be easier. The longer you wait, the weirder/harder it gets and you'll end up standing against the wall with the other nerds watching the people who do take action

Be the guy that takes action

If you get rejected move on to the next one. Just keep approaching and keep your high energy. Instead of letting it get you down, use it as fuel to approach the next one. Make a joke about it, laugh about it. WHO GIVES A SH*T.

Have fun man and most of all,

Don't give a f*ck what anyone in this universe thinks of you. Let it go


Be a man. You can do it!

 

[hamilton]

Sounds good snowdog, I'll see if I can find an 18+ club around here and try it out this week.

Anyways, yesterday was my grappling tournament, and I won my division! I won all my matches, the first one by submission and the last 3 by points unfortunately. It was a lot of fun and a great learning experience. After that, I went on campus to hang out with a friend. We went looking around the dorm for people hanging out, and we found a room of people he knew, but I didn't I did pretty well talking to them, there were 1 or 2 pretty fly girls there for a while. I'll count that as two convos for the week so far. However, I think I'm going to put off the boot camp until school starts from now on. The reason being, I don't think I'm going to complete this week, and this Friday I'm going home for 3 weeks, where it will be even harder to complete the upcoming weeks. I will continue to try and be more social and outgoing, etc, and keep updating this journal, though.

 

[hamilton]

So yesterday I went on a pseudo date with a girl from school. She's in NYC for the summer and I live in the suburbs, so I went into the city to meet up with her. I never really talked to her too much at school so this was really our first time actually hanging out. She's a cute asian, maybe a 7.

It started out with her meeting me at grand central. We hugged, and then headed out to go to the High Line, which is a new park built on old elevated train tracks. I tried to do some mild kino on the walk over, just touching on the arm, etc, but I wasn't sure how receptive she was. I had her laughing pretty good though, we just made some small chit chat about going back to school and ended up talking about how living with a good friend is like living with your mom. After that, we arrived at the high line, and walked its entire length. This was where the conversation was kind of boring (for me at least). I also seemed to have trouble escalating kino past anything but a touch on the arm, since she wasn't really reciprocating.

After that, we went to a weird little thai restaurant. There were disco balls everywhere, a picture of bruce lee, and the spice girls were playing. Very strange. We joked around for a while about the atmosphere, and to be honest I really don't remember much else of what we talked about. The conversation was good though, no lulls or awkward silences. When we left the conversation we started talking about percentages of people that are attractive, and how it varies by region (thanks Seinfeld). I thought less than 10% are attractive, she thought 20-30, but we both agreed that it's much worse at the school we go to.

After that we went to an outdoor concert in East River State Park. The concert was crappy, but this was definitely where I was on my A game. We ended up just having to sit in the grass, and I decided to lie down using my messenger bag as a pillow. I offered her part of the bag or my stomach as a pillow, and she took me up on the bag and laid down with her head right next to mine. This worked well, I had her cracking up the entire time, talking about how bad the music was, among other things. We played some dumb game where each person picks a strand of grass and then you loop the strands through each other, pull, and see which one breaks. We played this for a while, I was acting really ****y with it and we ended up having our arms completely intertwined playing the game. Every so often while we were talking we would look at each other and our faces were literally inches apart. This was the part where I was certain she wanted me. I was debating going for the kiss, but I started tickling her at one point and she was pretty adamant that she didn't want to be seen writhing around a grass field in public so I figured a kiss would draw a similar response.

After that, we left for a hookah bar, where we ended up staying for a couple of hours (probably too long, I know). We sat in a love seat, side by side, and her body language was really poor here. She was sitting with her legs crossed, lifted up on a chair, angled away from me, and for a big portion she had her arms crossed. I didn't really know how to initiate kino in this situation as we were sitting side by side with our backs to the wall. Eventually we were close enough so our arms were touching (I don't know if I moved or she did), and she would elbow me occasionally when she was trying to make a point. The conversation was alright here, I had her laughing a lot, but it was nowhere near as fun and good as it was at the concert. She talked about going to some clubs over the summer, and how she wanted to go back because she heard they had gay sex on stage, and I ribbed her a lot for loving gay porn. There was good eye contact throughout. Then, after a couple hours of that, we walked back to the train station, hugged, and I left. I had offered to walk her back to her apartment and then leave from there, but she refused. Overall, an alright day, but it definitely reinforced how much work I need.

Pros: Good eye contact the entire day, had her laughing the entire day, hours of conversation with no awkwardness

Cons: Poor escalation of kino other than at the concert, kinda went cold fish in the hookah bar, couldn't isolate.

Anyways, I have some questions

-What are some good ways to escalate kino when at a restaurant seated across from each other?

-What are some good games to play with girls in a 1 on 1 setting, preferably that get kino and laughter involved?

-How the hell do you guys remember conversations so well? I see yall writing down conversations basically word for word, and there's no way in hell I could do that unless I bring a voice recorder, which would be a bit strange.

-She and I had discussed her coming out to the suburbs to visit me when we were at the concert, and she seemed interested. When I left, I didn't mention it, but she said "See you in two weeks (when school starts), or maybe sooner". I haven't texted her or anything since yesterday, and she said the only days she could visit would be this Weds or Thurs. Should I give her a call and see if she wants to come out, or just wait to see her when school starts?

 

[hamilton]

any answers to the questions at the bottom? you don't even have to read the mammoth post!

 

[hamilton]

Success! (kinda)

So I decided to text the girl and have her come visit me today, figured it was worth a last shot before we go back to school. She sounded really happy to hear from me and very excited to visit, which was a good sign already. As an aside, it's kind of funny that me and this girl have basically hung out for the entire day 2 days this week, since I barely knew her before this. It's an hour train ride each way between my house and the city, and a 20 dollar ticket!

I don't really have time to type too much here, so I'll summarize the majority of our "day date" here. First we walked around downtown and got ice cream, then we walked around at my house, then we went hiking for a little while, then we had to go out to dinner with my family and my grandma, which was extremely regrettable. The entire time there was good eye contact and pretty good conversation, but kino was rough. She actually initiated role playing with me at one point, taking me by the elbow and pretending we were getting married, but other than that she seemed pretty closed off. I didn't really have any opportunities to go in for the kiss, but I'm sure if I had manned up I could have done it.

At the end of the night, she had to go catch a train home. We got to the train station around 20 minutes early, so I went out to the platform with her to keep her company. At this point, my thought process was "alright, fuk this, before she leaves, I'm either getting rejected or getting a kiss". We talked for a bit, and when there was less than 5 minutes left before the train was to arrive, I told her and said I was going to leave. We hugged, and what ensued was one of the most awkward things in my recent memory. As we pulled apart, I went in for the kiss, but apparently my technique was not good because she was not expecting it at all, she was looking down. She looked up and stared at me like I had 3 heads, and the following happened-

me: well, can I? (afc move I know but it didn't kill me here)
her: oohh, sure I'll give you a kiss
*short open mouth kiss ensues*

After this we were standing there still hugging, I was sarcastically thanking her for appeasing me and being so kind. Then I said "please ma'am, may I have another", Oliver Twist style, and got another kiss. Then I squeezed her shoulder, and left her, still laughing, saying "See you in XXXX" as I left.

Overall, this was nowhere near as smooth as it should have been, but I am just so happy I manned up and did it. This was my first sober kiss close in a LONG time, and my first legit one that was not facilitated by the circumstances. This experience has shown me that I do alright in a date situation, once I already have all of a girls attention. I need to work on my pickup game though, initial attraction and getting the number.

 

[hamilton]

Hey yall, I got another kiss close to share with you.

So last night me and a few friends went over to this girl's house to chill and drink by her pool. I ended up sitting next to this blonde hb6.5 who would be higher but her face is the spitting image of the kid from the 6th sense. My friend Mike, who was also in attendance last night, spent most of last summer chasing this girl. She wanted him at first, but he was a chump about it, and nothing ever ended up happening between them. This summer he's been after a different girl, so I figured I had the green light.

I started off talking to her to my right and the two girls to my left. The blonde to my right was actually sharing a pool recliner with me (turned sideways). We bullshyted about the usual, what we'd done so far for the summer, etc. Eventually I said to the blonde something about this being the first time I had really talked to her.

her: What!? You've met me before, what are you talking about?!
me: I don't know what you're talking about, I've never talked to you before tonight.
her: I've been to your house multiple times!

*it's true, she had been to my house last summer when I had people over, but I never really talked to her since my friend was gaming her. That's what I meant, but she took it as me saying I'd never met her.*

me: What?! (feigned ignorance) No way, when?
her: last summer, don't you remember, we hung out outside on your patio.

it went on like this for a while with her getting pretty mad at me and me pretending not to remember. Finally I explained what I had meant. The whole time kino was going pretty good, nudgin each other, etc, but I think I forgot to work eye contact here as I was somewhat drunk as was she.

Eventually, people said they were going in the pool, so I got up to get my bathing suit. When that happened another drunk friend of mine jacked my seat and started trying to hit on her. It wasn't a problem though, even when it turned out that no one went in the pool, I just went and sat with my other friends and chatted for a while. Eventually, I had to go to the bathroom, and I saw the blonde coming down the hill, presumably returning as well, so I decided to head up to the bathroom and see if I could perhaps isolate on the way there. We ended up crossing paths behind some bushes right near the steps to the pool. She looked a little wobbly, so I said:

me: you alright (while walking towards her)?
her: yeah I'm fine.
me: you sure? (still moving towards her)
her: yes.

at this point we were extremely close and I had encountered no resistance, so I just went for the kiss. We made out for 10-15 seconds, and then I squeezed her shoulder and said "whoa! I came out here to go to the bathroom" and walked up the hill to the bathroom. This was absolutely retarded, I should have tried to isolate then and there, should have remembered ABC, but failed miserably. I really did have to go to the bathroom though, and I thought I would get another chance later.

Later on, we were all sitting around the table still, and I thought "alrite fukk it, I'm bored, I'm gonna try to isolate right now". I went over behind her chair, squeezed her shoulder, and said "hey can I talk to you for a minute". She gave me kind of a weird look and asked why. I said something to the effect of "don't worry about it, just come with me". She got up and was literally starting to follow me, when I got ****blocked by my friend's 16 yr old cousin. He saw her leaving and said "HEY you're just going to talk with him to avoid taking a shot, get over here!" (people were doing shots at the time). It was totally lame, but whatever.

That ended the saga of my night, but the story's not over yet. At the end of the night, when everyone was hugging goodbye, she and my friend who had tried to hook up with her last summer just started full blown making out in front of everyone. Everyone was watching them for a good 1-2 minutes, no joke, it was classic, especially since my friend didn't know I had hooked up with her previously.

Things I learned:
1) More chicks = less oneitis/infatuation- At least temporarily. I was feeling pretty infatuated with the girl I kiss closed in my previous post over the last couple of days, but kissing this girl helped get rid of that somewhat. The effect is already wearing off however, as this girl is clearly a dirty ho and the other girl is someone I would potentially want to date.
2) Kiss closing is not that hard- That's 2 kiss closes in 4 days, which is a very good line for me. I'm really pissed I didn't return to this site sooner, as my first two years of school could have been much more fun if I didn't sit around waiting for girls to come to me. Now I'm starting to realize that you have to just grab your balls and go get it if you want something, and it's not as scary as it seems.
3) Number closing is even easier- From now on, if I'm at a party and I have some rapport with an attractive girl, I see no reason to not at least go for the number. I got the blonde's number last night just by saying "it's been fun bickering w/ you, let's do it again sometime". Even though she hooked up w/ my friend, I may try to take her on a date next weekend to see if I can get one last close before I go back to school.

 

[snowdog]

Good stuff man! I'm proud of you.

Now I'm starting to realize that you have to just grab your balls and go get it if you want something, and it's not as scary as it seems.

Quoted for f*cking truth. Awesome.

-What are some good ways to escalate kino when at a restaurant seated across from each other?

Play that thumb wrestling game. Playfully throw your napkin or a beermat at her. Stuff like that.

-What are some good games to play with girls in a 1 on 1 setting, preferably that get kino and laughter involved?

I dunno, I don't think that you need to play games to get kino and laughter going on. Just kino when you agree with her, put your arm around her, hug her, playfully punch her shoulder. If you're in a loud environment put your arm around her as you put your ear near her mouth when she talks to you.

-How the hell do you guys remember conversations so well? I see yall writing down conversations basically word for word, and there's no way in hell I could do that unless I bring a voice recorder, which would be a bit strange.

I only post like, 3% of the whole conversation. I remember the interesting parts.

Not getting too drunk also helps.


You're doing awesome, my man. Some small comments:

Every so often while we were talking we would look at each other and our faces were literally inches apart. This was the part where I was certain she wanted me.

And she did

I was debating going for the kiss, but I started tickling her at one point and she was pretty adamant that she didn't want to be seen writhing around a grass field in public so I figured a kiss would draw a similar response.

If you had that little moment where you should had gone for it and you ruin it, things will be weird from that moment on. Especially when you're using kino. Trust me, I've been there a gazillion times.

When it even crosses my mind to kiss, I don't think anymore, I just go for it. This is my new mantra. You should too, because you don't need permission. If she don't want it, she'll turn away. It's that simple.


Keep up the good work my friend