Had sex and but should i fess up too it?

[ThunderMaverick]

I asked Grr this question earlier:

And I'm sure you'd go to an AA meeting just to tell the alcoholics that they "don't have a problem" and shouldn't talk about it to anyone.

And Grr wrote:
You're damn right I would. At least to those crybaby men

Listen: I got where I was BECAUSE I didn't have someone to help me.

Tell me how this makes sense. Were you ever an alcoholic? Do you know what it's like? Did you know it's a disease? Do you know how unbelievably stupid you sound right now?

You got to where you were without help? In regards to what? What do you do now? You learned the alphabet by yourself? You put a roof over your head by yourself? You hired yourself at the wonderful job you work at? You write your own paycheck? Be specific? I keep having to ask what you mean because sometimes you don't make sense.


Don't give me your idealistic notions, you obviously haven't had to stare into the abyss, alone, and decide between the hard climb to continued success or the gentle fall into nothingness.

You've got to be kidding me. Jr., I've made hard painful descisions as most of the mature people here have in this forum. You giving me your "hardship creditials" changes nothing, ignores the point and doesn't make you better than me or anyone else.

 

[AngelusPUA]

I will not stand down to some boyish AFC named AngelusPUA over the Internet who gives CONDITIONED RESPONSES as advice and has made over 300 posts in less than a month since he registered.

You do not know jack, Angeleus and I'm not giving up these boards to you sissies just because you were raised in matriarchial families or from effeminate fathers.

If some other DJ or moderator comes in and posts something that destroys my argument through words or just by locking the thread then by all means I'll stfu, until then get in line, ya pansy. You've only proven that you have no idea what you're talking about, contradicting yourself all over the place.

Even if my delivery sucks, at least my argument is consistent. I'm not saying there's no room for dissenting view, TM, but I won't allow for dissenting view as a suitable explanation i.e. means to an end. You have to put something better than "let him be". He exposed himself by way of this thread, now he lives with it. Its the same lesson he'll learn from confessing his infidelity to his wife.

You guys are making your choices based on unthinking morality instead of what is actually the best choice for everyone involved, this is why you can't even touch my argument.

I really just couldn't be bothered anymore, you are the one making choices based on unthinking mortality.....Now if a guy came on here and says “I cheated on my girlfriend and I don’t care it was just a bit of fun but I’ve been thinking would a DJ tell his GF he cheated on her?” I would tell him not to tell. This guy doesn't have morals and he doesn't want to tell out of guilt.

When I guy comes here guilt ridden and he wants to tell I will tell him every time to admit the truth. If he doesn't the guilt will destroy his relationship, he has morals.

You are the one giving advice without considering the situation; you say that a man should never tell on himself. So that means what? That in any given situation the man should never tell.

I'm not an AFC I am far from it but I feel like one right knows, why? Because I am arguing with a ignorant fool on a public forum I really need to get rid of this behavior fast. From today on I will not over argue my point to anyone, especially somebody as arrogant as yourself.

P.S. I have 300 posts in a few weeks, what’s the big deal? 27 posts a day, I work from my computer I don’t have a 9-5 job like most people.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

I wouldn't even give up saying what you do in your personal life to Grr. Apparently what you do wouldn't amount to spit in his eyes. He's "stared into the abyss" apparently Whooooo, big man. That's as deep as a cereal bowl. It gets hard there at the bottom, I know.

Also, this is a guy who believe alcoholics should just wait it out, cold turkey by themselves without any help. This logic is so screwed up.

HEY, GRR! Next time you break your leg, don't see a doctor! Deal with it yourself. Hahahahaha!

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I didn't escape I was deported! : )

Ahhh that's awesome! I agree with all of your posts in those threads. The 16 years you have on me definately shows loads more refinement, but I'm glad there are others who also rationalize moral dilemmas like any other decision and don't treat the selfless act as a forgone conclusion just because its been hammered into them over and over and over and over. : )

To help you on your road to refinement I suggest you read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. It's a REALLY LONG read but something tells me that you'll benefit greatly from it.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

If you two are done licking each other's buttholes then I'll proceed.

My oh my, aren't we the little attention wh0re. Go right ahead, we'll let you continue entertaining us with your diatribe.

 

[grr]

To me, addiction isn't the disease, the thought that addiction exists in oneself is a disease.

If someone is "addicted" to the point of major self-sabotage, they'll most likely always be that way unless they have heavy family support. If I had a dime for everytime I heard of someone in AA hooking up with another person in AA and going out for drinks..

I came from a family of 8 kids in a low income family and I make > 60k a year with no college degree at world-renowned commercial computer chip manufacturer as a Supervisor with my own office. (BREATHE) I started there at the age of 22 and I'm now almost 24. They send me to foreign countries. This doesn't touch on half my story and its not a major accomplishment, but its more progress than most people I know, at least.

Regarding the insight I have, that I believe you (and most others on this board) lack, I didn't think I was capable of explaining it to you so that's why I didn't answer that question.

To sum it up in as few words as possible you lack: A source for balance

Now, its quite possible you have something CLOSE to it, but I believe you don't simply because you're views on morality are too one-sided.

Of course you feel righteous condeming your Stepdad on an internet message board. Do I detect your empathy for your Mom's anger over your Stepdad?

Please stop thinking about them with feelings of morality, primarily. Focus on the morality of the present and future not the morality of the past one-time mistake. You can consider it objectively this way, otherwise you're just one of many sheep following inherited ideals.

Hoogie should be focusing on the future not dwelling in the past going on about one night stands. And about your stepdad, I stand by my original assessment: He fvcked up cuz she found out, bro : P

Thanks Francisco I'll check that out

 

[AngelusPUA]

They basically seem to ignore the point that he told and it worked out fine, It is like that little fact is not relevant.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

To me, addiction isn't the disease, the thought that addiction exists in oneself is a disease.

If someone is "addicted" to the point of major self-sabotage, they'll most likely always be that way unless they have heavy family support. If I had a dime for everytime I heard of someone in AA hooking up with another person in AA and going out for drinks..

Read the statement I made about the broken leg.

I came from a family of 8 kids in a low income family and I make > 60k a year with no college degree at world-renowned commercial computer chip manufacturer as a Supervisor with my own office. (BREATHE) I started there at the age of 22 and I'm now almost 24. They send me to foreign countries. This doesn't touch on half my story and its not a major accomplishment, but its more progress than most people I know, at least.

Regarding the insight I have, that I believe you (and most others on this board) lack, I didn't think I was capable of explaining it to you so that's why I didn't answer that question.

You still missing the point that I don't care about where YOU'VE been personally in your life? It was kind of a series of rhetorical questions. What Hoogie was looking for in this topic was a reinforcement of common sense. I was simply making the point that your statements aren't more valid that anyone else's because you've "stared into the abyss", and your "keep secrets" attitude helps no one here..

To sum it up in as few words as possible you lack: A source for balance

Now, its quite possible you have something CLOSE to it, but I believe you don't simply because you're views on morality are too one-sided.

This comming from a man with his "own morals" and doesn't follow anyone else's. Now we're suppose to follow your twisted rules on what YOU think is right? You're a borderline relativist with this kind of talk, and I only say that because you go off into:

Of course you feel righteous condeming your Stepdad on an internet message board. Do I detect your empathy for your Mom's anger over your Stepdad?

Like you judging us for standing by Hoogies decisions? Don't make me quote you with those. We'll have another 2 pages.

Am I not suppose to allow anger towards my stepfather after he hurts my own mother like that? I would have respected him more if he fessed up to what he did. Now I'm not all up in his business, but he's cheating on his current girlfriend...who he LIVES with. He lives in HER house. He keeps things from people who don't deserve it. Trust me, one way or another, she'll find out.

Unless you're an a$$hole you don't need to be lied to.

Please stop thinking about them with feelings of morality, primarily. Focus on the morality of the present and future not the morality of the past one-time mistake. You can consider it objectively this way, otherwise you're just one of many sheep following inherited ideals.

The point also I made last time is when you keep secrets, you'll tend to want the secrets to continue. Ask anyone.

And about your stepdad, I stand by my original assessment: He fvcked up cuz she found out, bro : P

And he deserves NO respect for that "bro". Don't whine about how that's not fair or justified.

 

[grr]

What broken leg? I can't find the statement.

Anyway, forget that: We can continue to try to get a reaction out of each other or we can agree to disagree.

Point is, message boards are a spectator's sport and I wasn't making my posts so much for Hoogie but for some of the other readers who, maybe like me, found the pedestal morality stands on around here a little lacking. Morality is not a road that will get or allow you to keep the average woman, but results will always work.

I only think I'm right because I used to think the way you do, but I changed. I'm willing to bet I have more perspective on situations like these because of that change. Am I right? Maybe, maybe not but we're obviously not going to solve it with virtual text over the Internet.

And if the questions were rhetorical fine, just don't blame me for answering them when your intent is ambiguous (this is the Internet!)

I admit to confusing messages and almost derragatory comments in my previous posts. This is no excuse, but its not like morality is the easiest subject to tackle. Bonafide philosophers have trouble explaining their point of view over another's.

We won't change each other's minds, but at least we fought the good fight to ensure our belief systems are recognized.

LONG LIVE HOOGIE

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Forget about the broken leg statemet...

Yeah, you actually beat me to your last reply. heh

It's good to agree to disagree and not rip each other's heads off.

As for Hoogie, let's just hope everything works out with him.

 

[Hoogie]

This is the worst mistake you can possibly make!!!

It's fu<ked up my life, seriously. DO NOT DO THIS!!!
Looking back I would rather live with the guilt than live the way I'm living now.

It may an extreme serious case of one-itus but I miss her so much.
DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!!