Had Enough :box:

[Buddha_Mind]

You know quite honestly, I think most of you are so egotistical and protective that you'll never have any sort of real notion of a healthy relationship--because most of you and your player tactics truly prevent any true depth from occurring.

I'm not saying everything on here is garbage. Let's be honest. Being needy or a complete P*ss isn't going to get you a woman. But let's also be honest -- being a douch3bag and hiding every facet of yourself, treating human relationship like a boardroom meeting is going to leave you with some shallow ****. Some of you might want a hot dyed blond little woman whose hollow as a dead tree trunk--but those of you who want an *intelligent* woman might really turn them away.

There is a skill to building attraction and interacting with the females--yes--but to have a real relationship means not always acting like you're some God Amidst Men for all the Vaginas to fall for. Some of you, as attractive or suave as you may be, will always be alone or have shallow relationships because of your shallow interactions with human beings. There is something to be said about being genuine -- and as much as some of you fools act like you could lay any woman, you are wrong, there are TOTALLY women who are so ****ing devoted to their man it makes you crazy. And these men? Some of them are the horrid "AFC" as you call them (which is a complete BS term in lots of ways). Plenty of LadiesMen are Funny and Caring guys and some of the women who have been most attracted to me have done so when I've been as you might call a puss move -- but honest about my feelings, intentions, even some will listen to my struggles and still want to be there for me.

I'm tired of this forum and so much of this American Mentality towards getting women. I don't even care about this BS anymore. You people make it so COMPLEX and FACETED that when RealLOVE hits you in the face you'll be too busy posting on this forum or spinning your plates.

This was a RANT yes, but a true voice of frustration from an unconventional Man frustrated after all of this.

Be YOU. Be STRONG. Stand Up For Yourself. Good Women Exist. And Some Women Stand By a Man EVEN when He Is In Weakness. If you think you can get through life without a down moment where you reveal how you are feeling, than you are loaded with Crap.

Some of the best relationships I know come from the sharing of struggle. And some of the best women I've seen (not only sexy but mentally engaged) UNDERSTAND that people are people. What you can't do is go all sinking ships when life hits the fan -- believe in yourself to pull through -- but don't be fearful to acknowledge pain or ask for help from those people closest to you (which, if you have a good relationship might be your gal).

And YES -- friends and parents and people who aren't married to you or living with you every moment might be better resources for your struggle at first. But life happens and Good People do Exist, vagina or penis.

/end rant.

I'm finding my own FLOW. And most of you on this forum are so ****ing young anyhow, jesus christ life brings lessons through time and not everything can be understood at age 22. Life will keep you guessing even if you're 72. It's all a process.

peace.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

PS -- do you really think someone who is genuinely happy with a healthy relationship would be on this board posting about how "*****y" and "weak" women are? These older fools you all look up to so much have FAILED to have any REAL relationship, and their BITTERNESS is spread all over this forum as "help". Yeah well, I dont' ever want to be like them -- they can be their 52 year old player self, and in the end when their all alone, I hope they have some keyboard to post with on this board.

 

[Tazman]

PS -- do you really think someone who is genuinely happy with a healthy relationship would be on this board posting about how "*****y" and "weak" women are? These older fools you all look up to so much have FAILED to have any REAL relationship, and their BITTERNESS is spread all over this forum as "help". Yeah well, I dont' ever want to be like them -- they can be their 52 year old player self, and in the end when their all alone, I hope they have some keyboard to post with on this board.

Who are the posters you're referring to?

 

[Buddha_Mind]

I'm not going to name names because I'm not interested in diverging my argument into personal/character/EGO battles. I'm not saying all of this so that SOandSO can rant and rave at me for naming them--I'm saying all of this so people can have an alternative perspective. Let people be the judge of themselves.

 

[Slickster]

Good post.

I agree this game isn't so hard. There is no need to make things difficult and overanalyze everything to death.

Read the bible. Find a few simple lessons and make the necessary changes to your life, then repeat. Learn what works and what doesn't. Success will come.

This forum and the negativity that is preached gets pretty tiresome. 90% of the stuff here is just rehashed garbage anyhow. The other 10% contains some real nuggets though. Learn how to spot the good stuff and ignore the rest.

There are great women almost everywhere. However you won't find many of them here so lay off the forum a bit and go find them.

 

[DanelMadr]

"If you wanna know what your men miss most, listen to what they are most cynical about." gen. Patton

Of course some good guys out there struck gold with being less tough but I guess they were just lucky.

I never had a girl around who would I be attracted to and who would have the opportunity to observe me in my natural habitat....therefore falling in love with me without any "game" on my side.

I'm sentenced to cold approach and you need to have your shyt seriously together to do that, because you have like few seconds to set a hook. And you are shyt tested very harshly for months. Any sign of weakness and you are history. Maybe I would get lucky but I don't count on that, man. I did that in the past....focusing on one girl only and letting my guard down occasionally to show her my nice guy streak - honest intention, being gentlemen and caring. Guess what....years gone by and I got fvck all.
I don't have time for this shyt...I wanna have family even if it means to bury that little boy inside me ten feet under ground.

And you know what I came to realize I am actually tough as fvck (first I learned that, then came to senses through my renewed self esteem, ambushed my ego and ended up in here)..... and here I learned that it is OK to be "tough" even with women. And I am happy for it.

Nevertheless I understand your disappointment....too much ego shielding BS (games, plates, prize), hatred towards women (I would say it is just venting a politically incorrect stuff, which you can't do anywhere else inmost cases) and policy of promiscuity.

But you have to see that this forum is like anything else...70% of retards (some will grow up some never will), 10% of enlightened and 20% of just good people with some common sense. And those who are OK might even only speak their minds...sometimes pushing the limits thanks to anonymity...just to get it out of system, I guess. For example sometimes I write things I'm not always 100% certain just to get other opinion or just by writing it I make it clearer for myself.

So breathe slowly and don't spit Mr. Buddha Mind

 

[Jitterbug]

What's this, an emotional and raging Buddha?

 

[squirrels]

Yep, that's it. It's a 'depth' issue. All the "happily ever after" stuff works if you're not shallow.

Interesting choice of screen-name for someone who gets all riled up over what a bunch of tools do on an Internet forum.

 

[jophil28]

What's this, an emotional and raging Buddha?

Ha ha - wow, what a huge ego tantrum on his part... he hasn't quite got that buddhist tolerance thing down, has he.

Perhaps his rather infantile rant is some kind of step towards the gates of enlightenment....?

 

[Mr.Positive]

Buddha,

Good rant..I think.

It's quite simple. First, enjoy life and be happy. When you've got THAT down, bring other folks into your life that also...enjoy life. Now, you enjoy life, and they do too.

Then, focus on the gals that enjoy life. Hopefully they are hot. Don't be shy about your true nature of attraction. Weed out the hot ones that aren't along with your 'enjoy life'...life, and focus on the ones that are. Remove any negative ones or drama filled attention seeking ones....(this is what this site is good for)

Once you've done that, life is great. Because it's a life that you created for yourself, and it's YOU that has allowed others, to share it with.

Remember, that time, changes...people will come and go through your life.

The point is, as long as we all just figure out what makes us, as unique folks, click. It's smooth sailing from there.

It's not the amount of people, or women, in your life. It's the amount of quality people, that add to your life, that matters.

Peace.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

It's an AFC rebellion!

And it isn't even cool anymore to rebel against the "canned line and openers" crowd, because there isn't one, especially in the MM.

The predominant philosophy here is for a man to enter meaningful relationships from the best position to do so-by choice and strength. We preach that relationships should not be the GOAL of existence for a man, not that he should never enter one.

But all this talk about sharing emotions makes me want to go shoot a coyote.

By golly, here I go.

 

[sodbuster]

Well, as one of the old men with a failed relationship,let me clue you in a bit. Until you've been married and had some kids with a woman,you have NO idea. Gradually the "holy grail" of relationship that you seem to want turns toward a prison[she'll get the kids and half in a divorce.She KNOWS it and uses her power to push her agendas.IF you ever let down your guard,she'll run your life. Even if you don't,she'll think you are having affairs because you don't bow down to the puzzy like her friends think you should.

Do I hate women?no,I love them. Do I use them? no,they know the score when we date[they think their puzzy is so much better than the other women that I'll change my mind][maybe I'll find one with a snapper someday]

As far as being alone-I work with people all day,get to deal with their stupidity,joy,drama etc. I LIKE a couple nights a week alone to do what I want[hard to do with a wifes project list,soccer games,spring concerts etc]
IF you had a choice between being alone or being in prison,which would you choose?

Not saying I'll never find a woman and re-marry,but she's going to be 1 in a 1000 or better

 

[Zarky]

I'm starting to understand why there are pickup boards that are invite-only.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

8.False Premises Hate

Hater: Yeah, sure, game works well for picking up low self-esteem bar skanks.

A great deal of hate is fueled by false premises. Concocting convenient scenarios, imagining the worst of your enemies, and reinterpreting their successes are a salve for the burned ego. Newsflash: your thin-skinned indignation is not my moral crisis.


12. Fallacy of Misdirected Obsession Hate

Hater: A guy who spends his life obsessing over how to get women is a loser.

A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over pursuing financial rewards and acquiring resources to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who….. ah, you get the point.

 

[RMM]

That list's gonna come in handy, isn't it?

 

[zekko]

I hate to say it, but the OP does have a point.

I don't know why he picks on the old guys here though, the attitude over on the general Discussion board is far, far worse. Sometimes I wonder why I even go over there. If more people posted here on the Mature Man forum I probably wouldn't even bother.

Anyway, it's always best to take anything you read here with a grain of salt.

 

[boomerick]

I'm confused.......

The young guys don't have enough life experience to have any relevence...

The old guys only have bad life experience so they aren't relevent either....

Hmmmmmm.....I wonder who is relevent in the OP's opinion??????....hmmmm....

OP -- You seem to be flustrated with this board and you already have the answers.....

So why are you even bothering to post ??????

If the ice cream stand you go to never has the flavor you want why do you keep going back???

Doesn't seem to make sense.................

Over and Out.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

That list's gonna come in handy, isn't it?

Bookmarked for posterity.

 

[squirrels]

Rollo, when are you putting your book out?

You keep giving points off these lists...at this point I WOULD pay to see the whole thing.

 

[hansol]

See, I'd have to say the opposite. I LOVE the MM forum, as not only do you get a decent perspective on things, you can also get experienced views on all sorts of seemingly random things. Hell, just a few weeks ago I was asking guys here about the overall implications of step-dad stuff. And I don't recall any cynical bashing or such: it was just straight insight. Which is why this forum is the best.

On top of that, in my experience most the underlying "theme" to most of the advice given on here is "Don't be blinded by the fact she is a woman." Men these days (me being one of them) give women a free ride for far too easily. What I tend to gather from the threads is first make a life for yourself, then try and find a DECENT woman. And if she isn't what you are looking for or has some major red flags, don't try and settle and make it work or disaster will happen.

Obviously nothing is perfect, but there is a difference between a bit of a blister on your toe or blasting away at your foot with a 12 gauge.