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Cablelight, as much as I can agree with some of what you posted, I'm taking WildThang's side here.

This site is about turning AFC's into DJ's, then letting them make up their minds about what they want, and not what she wants. Sometimes this does entail a portion of us going out and banging as many girls as we can to find out what's important. We all know its not the sex itself that is of importance (this is what the AFC places on his blatant priority list) but what happens before, during, and after.

I'm glad that I've dated and slept with enough women to know exactly what I want, and exactly what the pitfalls are that should be avoided.

I'm also thrilled that as I have been learning and polishing myself, my choice of women has indeed tripled and the quality is almost 100x better. I can now find the girls that I want vs. what was available to start a LTR with.

It's about choices, and this site opens up doors. Which one you walk through is up to you.



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Originally posted by Powertrip:
Cablelight, as much as I can agree with some of what you posted, I'm taking WildThang's side here.

This site is about turning AFC's into DJ's, then letting them make up their minds about what they want, and not what she wants. Sometimes this does entail a portion of us going out and banging as many girls as we can to find out what's important. We all know its not the sex itself that is of importance (this is what the AFC places on his blatant priority list) but what happens before, during, and after.

I'm glad that I've dated and slept with enough women to know exactly what I want, and exactly what the pitfalls are that should be avoided.

I'm also thrilled that as I have been learning and polishing myself, my choice of women has indeed tripled and the quality is almost 100x better. I can now find the girls that I want vs. what was available to start a LTR with.

It's about choices, and this site opens up doors. Which one you walk through is up to you.

But do you know how to put forth the effort necessary to have a sustainable relationship with those women you find worthy? If you've been indiscriminantly bouncing from woman to woman, the answer is probably no. Being able to maintain a relationship is just as important as finding the right kind of woman. That's why it tends to serve a higher purpose to not limit our experiences to a flurry of one night stands.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire:
That's why it tends to serve a higher purpose to not limit our experiences to a flurry of one night stands.
I agree Wyldfire. CableLight has a damn good point. And I'll join in on this argument in support of him.

WildThang...sigh, I see more flaws in your argument than in CableLight's.

Powertrip remember this site doesn't encourage men to be manwh0res. This site is about changing a man into a real man.

EDIT: I'll post more once I have the damn time again to argue.

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The thing is, you can be after as mnay numbers as you want, you can make it your aim to get every womens number you possibly could, but you can still be a successful person as well, you can still make it to the top of your field, you can be the best at more than one thing. I believe in this world you have to set your sights higher than you will ever manage in your lifetime and then you try your hardest to reach them, you may surprise yourself and the world by reaching the 'impossible' or you may simply better than most other people at what you do. I think you just have to sit down and think what things are important to you, then you try to be the best at those things, i also believe if you so want, you can try to be the best at getting girls and be the best at what ever else you do disire, all you need is will power and dedication.
 

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Yeah, it seems to me also that this site is more about fvcking chicks than staying with them; however, I think this is one of the main goals of the site, which is to become more comfortable with that. My suggestion is to make a forum on the site for LTR stuff, that way those who wish to talk about it can, and those who dont can just look elsewhere. In relationships, there are times where you lead and times where you follow... its never exactly 50/50. Quite honestly, I dont think this site shows you how to do the following so well. By following, I mean when you dont feel good/dont feel like leading, you know how to follow gracefully, w/o dragging your heels... Anyway, I think the idea of a separate LTR forum is a good idea.
 

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Looks at the Pook Calender and finds that it is 'Pick on Wyldfire Day'

Wyldfire says,

I think this site is seriously lacking in advice, tips, support and techniques for helping guys learn how to have a relationship.
Guys who come to this site desire options and, thus, general success with women. Usually the two errors guys fall into when they first arrive at this site:

1) They act in such a way that repels women usually within the first two months.

2) They are losers and the woman just gets sick of them.

Notice how generally most of the 'tips' are focused at the beginning. Why? Because we men are dumb and stupid and will fall down after two months? No, because it is the beginning where we make the mistakes. How often have we heard, "All I want is for her to give me a CHANCE". This is what the site will give. The graduated Don Juan has OPTIONS. He can choose his destiny whether it be a LTR, a player, or to remain single HAPPILY.

The second 'error' is when the guy gets the girl but 'settles'. By not improving himself even though he has a girl the girl may and often gets sick of him.

It's self evident that a lifestyle of just pursuing women leads to a falling. All my friends that are players in this vein, they have no focus in life it seems. No career. No passion. Just existance. They are the ones who are jobless and stay in the woman's apartments, delighting in sensory pleasures. Rest assured, these ARE NOT the Don Juans.

I can't think of any master Don Juan on this board who thought that women were the end of life rather than a part.

Even with the ideal mate it still takes work and effort to maintain a relationship.
If the guy has his stuff together and strives to keep being better, all runs smoothly. I see the cycle over and over again. Some Nice Guy, tired of his crash and burns, starts to place the focus on HIMSELF. We start to see this Nice Guy in new clothes, eating better, perhaps exercising, getting his stuff done in classes and/or career. Then he finds 'THE ONE' or so he thinks. But the 'one' he found was not the woman but himself. YOU ARE THE ONE!

Most of the men here ARE going to want a LTR at some point.
Through the Don Juan University, there are several hard truths. These truths really rattle guys' souls to the core, like when they shed off the AFC thought. During this period of paradigm shift comes the most brilliant posts on this forum.

What are some of these 'harsh truths'? Here are a few:

Women are 100% sexual.

So much for the AFC abstract love! The guy realizes that what he thought was respecting the woman (supressing his own sexuality) was THE REASON why he was failing with them!

Women would rather share a successful man than be with a faithful loser.

Contrary to what feminists may thing, polygamy was invented by women. The ladies would rather share the prince then to be tied up with a jack.

Women are not attracted to your theories, your opinions, and least of all, your genius.

A shy guy believing that women should want him because he is 'smart' realizes that women react to Dionysian effects, never Apolloian, to decadent acts. She will care about what you look like and what you wear than your commentary on the poetry of William Blake or your theories of Temporal Mechanics.

The lack of success with women is not with women, it is with you. YOU are the architect of your failure.

I find that it is very difficult to have burnt guys turn their eyes inward to look at themselves clearly and truly. The guys on this forum are looking for answers so it isn't a problem, but try a guy you casually know. My goodness. I never realized how adept humans are at rationalizing ANY excuse than to look at ourselves for the reason for failure.

For Long Term Relationships, being the Don Juan is still the way to go.

Don't take my word for it; ask the men who tried the lovey dovey AFC approach compared to the Don Juan approach. The woman always stayed with the Don Juan. Most first divorces are when the man cherishes the woman but the woman, probably because of it, despises the guy.

There are more harsh truths- those are a few I can think of off hand.

What good is it to weed out the wrong women to find the right one if you have no experience in having a relationship? It's no good at all because you can't hold onto a good woman if you are a relationship retard.
You must remember that generally 95% of all failures come within the first two months of a relationship. As a woman, I honestly don't think you understand the hellish pain of crash and burn over and over again that men must endure. The only thing I believe that can equal it for women is not being desired by anybody.

The heart need not be scorched. Protect it at first. When I am in the chat, I often hear:

"Pook, I have been with my chick for several months. What should I do now?"

I say the same thing, EASE INTO GOING NATURAL. You should be going into auto-pilot mode. Usually, all will go well. You'll be more natural and, thus, happy. You'll be consistant for there is nothing more consistant then being natural so she will be happy. It is not 'toning down' the Don Juan principles, but incorporating them within your general attitude. Less rigidity and a bit more fluidity.

[quotes]1) Too much running away and quitting for very minor reasons.[/quote]

When you have OPTIONS you have POSSIBILITIES. Only a fool with no options allows annoyances in the beginning when SHE will be on her best behavior.

2) Not enough help and guidance for LTRs.
How can you give help and guidance when no one is asking for LTR advice!? Like I said, the problems men are having are usually within the first two months. I have never seen a "How do I help her plan the Wedding?" post as long as I've been here.

Now the problems that occur AFTER two months are interesting, usually the fault is in the woman's. Why? Because she overlooked minor flaws until SHE GOT SO SICK of the guy that she bailed (or... divorced). The SMART women bail at the beginning just as the SMART men bail at the beginning if something doesn't seem right. Why endure 8 months when 3 weeks will do!

3) Too much blaming and not enough taking responsibility for the role you play in your own misery.
I agree with this. We are the creators of our own world.

4) Using the tools here to make others insecure or hurt them instead of using them to make yourself a more desirable and better person.
I know what you're saying with this but I think there is some confusion. It may seem like 'neghits' and other tools are to insecure or hurt them. They work on egotistical women because they are not used to a vacuum of self-image; everyone must love them. Those who do not, well, they must MEND it so they pursue. How else can you explain why the beautiful women belong to the criminal class?

Ahh... Pook scratches off 'Pick on Wyldfire Day' off the calender. Until next month!

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Once again I think pook pretty much sums it up.

This is what the site will give. The graduated Don Juan has OPTIONS. He can choose his destiny whether it be a LTR, a player, or to remain single HAPPILY.
You have options(choices)Good God imagine that. I think that you can make this site whatever you want it to be.

Wheather it helps you build confidence for you journey in life, or wheather it helps you get with that HB. Whatever the case may be its your case and how you choose to look at it is your opinion.

Wow oh wow! I just have to laugh at how silly, and relentless these posts are. Life is not something that can be defined. Trying to define life is dependant on opinion. When you try to define anything and opinion conflicts there is always gonna be some kind of controversy.

How do you argue someones opinion?
Let me rephrase that....
Why would you argue some1's opinion?

Well to change it of course. This is the most ridiculous thing in the world. Can you actually change a persons mind...
Absolutly not~!
They and only they can change it.
You might be able to influence their mind, but in the long run they control their opinions and not you.

So why try to force your opinion upon some1 else. Why not instead state what you think to be true, and incorporate it into the conversation. You may not agree with what people say, and do but you better respect their opinions. For if you do not, your time is wasted, and generally you've gotten no where but stuck on your own pride..
 

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Yeah, Pook pretty much nailed it.

I bounce from woman to woman because I can. It's not that I'm unable to sustain a relationship (quite the opposite, I get calls from my ex's on a daily basis) I simply can now choose who I want to spend my time with.

However, my main reason in coming to this site wasnt to get women, it was to learn how to set up consistent way of handling my relationships. I used to get confused or bitter/AFC and lose hold of what was going on, but after a few practice rounds (DJ style) I'm better suited to make a woman be my lapdog, not the other way around.

I dont know if that's the "Real picture" or not..
 

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Pook says: Looks at the Pook Calender and finds that it is 'Pick on Wyldfire Day'

Umm...where have you been, man? It's ALWAYS "Pick on Wyldfire Day"...you're just not the one a pickin'

We've already gone over the whole "whose more sexual and why" debate. I still stand firm in my belief that a woman's sexual behavior is motivated in part because of the desire to have children and also to attract a man to do that with...reactions to HIS desire for sex.

Regarding LTRs...I have read many posts from guys who have been with the same girl for at least 6 months, some over a year where the overall advice was to "Next" her. A couple of these cases were about a girl who had done everything right for 9 months and then had one phone conversation where the guy didn't feel they connected as usual. She wasn't biotchy, he just sensed something wasn't right. Another guy was complaining that his girlfriend of 18 months or so (who would do anything for him) wasn't doing some things he felt she should, but he then said he never asked her to do those things. It was faulty communication on his part..no one is a mind reader. Again, the advice was to bail. In the first case I mentioned...he hadn't toned down any of the DJ tactics, and it was probably a case of her feeling confused and hurt that she was trying so hard and he wasn't rewarding that. (Not much discussion here about how to adjust things for the LTRs) The second case was a prime example of the guy not taking responsibility for his own needs, wants and desires...she can't read his mind, and she was trying. Bad communication skills...something necessary to relate to anyone in life, be it a relationship or not.

Yes women look at the physical appearance more than brains and good deeds...we're just as shallow as the fellas in this area. Where were you a week or so ago when I was arguing this very point?


Not talking about the neg hits...I'm talking about intentionally hurting someone who doesn't deserve it. Lord knows there's enough bitter people in this world (everyone here has dealt with one and paid for someone else's wrongdoings), and it's irresponsible to contribute to that viscious circle in my opinion.

I know there's more I wanted to respond to, but the way in which you quoted me wiped out the majority of your post and I don't feel like doing the copy and paste thing...so...I might be back...lol
 

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Oh yeah...

Hell will freeze over before I "share".

A cheater is NOT part of the plan. If he's not part of the plan, he's part of the problem. If he doesn't contribute to the relationship and my life isn't better and happier because he's in it...then he's a liability and gets dismissed.

A lot of women do tolerate that, though, but not this chicky poo.
 

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Women know what they think and not how they act...
Think being the key word

Wyldfire I'm not sure that these dj's are going to agree with what you say. Unless you are a lesbian, or some sort of person that studies women not many people are goin to comply with your posts.

This is for the fact that us dj's study how women act, and not what they say. You being a women is enough for you to state what you want, but you are just one of the billion.

Saying and doing are two different things...
 

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Originally posted by Wizdom:
Women know what they think and not how they act...
Think being the key word

Wyldfire I'm not sure that these dj's are going to agree with what you say. Unless you are a lesbian, or some sort of person that studies women not many people are goin to comply with your posts.

This is for the fact that us dj's study how women act, and not what they say. You being a women is enough for you to state what you want, but you are just one of the billion.

Saying and doing are two different things...
I'm strictly d*ckly, for starters.

I've been studying psychology for well over 20 years as a consistent hobby, especially in the Human Behavior area. I have a strong ability to recognize certain behaviors and what they mean. In fact, I can pretty much tell you what a person is thinking, feeling and what their motivations are just based on a small bit of information about their behavior.

I'm not at all like most women, or most people for that matter. My actions pretty consistently match what I think and feel.
 

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She speaks!

A Wyldfire said,

It's ALWAYS "Pick on Wyldfire Day"...you're just not the one a pickin'
No one is saying that you are not an intelligent, independent, and interesting woman. The reason why it is 'Pick on Wyldfire' everyday not because what you say is bad (it is often good and we're glad you're here), it is the style and attitude that envelopes that knowledge. Look at how you broadbrushed this entire site with a few *conclusions* you had from a few posts. Obviously Wyldfire is right and everyone else is wrong! This is the attitude we're seeing. So obviously people are going to pick on you.

We've already gone over the whole "whose more sexual and why" debate. I still stand firm in my belief that a woman's sexual behavior is motivated in part because of the desire to have children and also to attract a man to do that with...reactions to HIS desire for sex.
And I agree with that! Except that the 'motherly' type (the women seeking motherhood) is only a side of a spectrum; there is the prostitute type (and all women have some place on it). I agree that females DO react to the males... but the reason why is very black. I don't think your psychology would even dare the answer.

Also, an LTR forum might be redundant since much of the advice satisfies problems in both 'honeymoon' stages and LTRs.

Yes women look at the physical appearance more than brains and good deeds...we're just as shallow as the fellas in this area.
I wouldn't call it shallow on either side; there are reasons. And I wouldn't call it physical appearance, it is more of a persona women are attracted to. The physical appearance is just a consequence.

Let's put your 'psychology' wisdom to work. Why is it when asked of women, "What is the most beautiful personality?" they point to the most beautiful (physically) male? (I have my own answer. I want to see if yours match.)

I've been studying psychology for well over 20 years as a consistent hobby, especially in the Human Behavior area.
There are more wonders and marvels found in nature then ever dreamed of in your psychology. Personally, I don't think psychology is worth a damn in understanding human nature mostly due to it being placed on erroneous premises. Remember, psychology was invented so people could freely talk about sex openly in the Victorian Period (its true!).

I have a strong ability to recognize certain behaviors and what they mean.
Most women think this.

In fact, I can pretty much tell you what a person is thinking, feeling and what their motivations are just based on a small bit of information about their behavior.
Then I wish you could meet me in person and psychoanalyze me for my lady friends cannot. For some reason, I frustrate their 'behavior analyzations'. They are attracted to Pook but da Pook got better things to do today than play with women, so they hope Pook is gay. But Pook isn't gay and it frustrates them (women demand value. When a man isn't pursuing women, women will forever mock it since the man is not giving value to THEIR existance). It's as if women can't believe that a man would engage in a form of self-improvement over women!

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>>No one is saying that you are not an intelligent, independent, and interesting woman. The reason why it is 'Pick on Wyldfire' everyday not because what you say is bad (it is often good and we're glad you're here), it is the style and attitude that envelopes that knowledge. Look at how you broadbrushed this entire site with a few *conclusions* you had from a few posts. Obviously Wyldfire is right and everyone else is wrong! This is the attitude we're seeing. So obviously people are going to pick on you.<<

I come across that way because I am both exceedingly confident (admittedly bordering on conceit) and I will only argue the side of an issue that I firmly believe in. It's not about "right" or "wrong"...it's about how we all see things based on our own personal reality. I actually rather enjoy a good debate, so the "picking" doesn't bother me in the least. I enjoy mental stimulation more than anything.

>>And I agree with that! Except that the 'motherly' type (the women seeking motherhood) is only a side of a spectrum; there is the prostitute type (and all women have some place on it). I agree that females DO react to the males... but the reason why is very black. I don't think your psychology would even dare the answer.<<

Women react to men because that's how women were "made". God didn't present Eve unto Adam for her to not desire to please him. Men and women instinctively and naturally are intended to compliment each other. The relations between the sexes are so screwed up because modern society started messing with things it never should have messed with. Now women feel the need to compete with rather than copliment men. That's why this site exists, afterall. But at the same time, those instincts are still there. If it weren't everyone would be gay. The craving to be wanted, needed and compliment each other is still there, buried deep beneath all that society has taught us that we should think and feel.

>>Also, an LTR forum might be redundant since much of the advice satisfies problems in both 'honeymoon' stages and LTRs.<<

I don't feel it does. More experienced DJs are often saying that the methods discussed here have to be adjusted as time goes on. That's true. Because of that and the general consensus that the advice to neewbies should be generic, mixing the advice has the potential to confuse some people. In addition to this, if someone is struggling in a realationship they feel is worth the effort to maintain and need advice, they should have access to it. The people who aren't interested in those topics shouldn't have to read them if they don't want to. And most importantly...the ones who post the questions should be able to get the kind of advice they are looking for without having to read through an argument or listen to others say they don't have an interest in LTRs.

>>I wouldn't call it shallow on either side; there are reasons. And I wouldn't call it physical appearance, it is more of a persona women are attracted to. The physical appearance is just a consequence.<<

I can't speak for all women on this, but I will say that I'm pretty certain I'm with the majority of women on this one...

The physical attraction being present is the gateway to finding the persona attractive. The physical opens the door to the mental and emotional...or barricades it, depending on the situation. So, the physical comes first...and it a man passes that facet of the attraction, the woman looks next at his persona.

>>Let's put your 'psychology' wisdom to work. Why is it when asked of women, "What is the most beautiful personality?" they point to the most beautiful (physically) male? (I have my own answer. I want to see if yours match.)<<

This both human nature/survival of the species and sociology. She subconsciously wants to pass along the best possible genes to her offspring because it will make survival for those offspring more likely and easier. From a sociological standpoint...attractive people have life much easier. They have a better chance in life to succeed. Everyone wants to succeed...when she looks at the most visually pleasing man she subconsciously knows that more opportunities will come his way and his lot in life will be easier. As a result she will find him more attractive...yes, even before actually knowing him.

>>There are more wonders and marvels found in nature then ever dreamed of in your psychology.<<

Psychology is actually (at least in my opinion) the study of human nature. This is especially true of Behavioral Psychology.

>>Personally, I don't think psychology is worth a damn in understanding human nature mostly due to it being placed on erroneous premises. Remember, psychology was invented so people could freely talk about sex openly in the Victorian Period (its true!).<<

See my comment to the last paragraph.

>>Most women think this.<<

I know this. There have been far too many examples throughout my life to support what I'm claiming for it to be my imagination. It's a bit of a gift, if you will.

>>Then I wish you could meet me in person and psychoanalyze me for my lady friends cannot.<<

It's not what I'd call psychoanalyzing. It's more a case of listening to a person's problem and being able to see quite clearly what they feel, think, what led them to behave a certain way. You could call it more of a very inuitive and perceptive view and understanding of the pain and fears of others. It's not something I do to try to "figure" people out. It's something I just see when someone is in pain or afraid and I try to help them.

>>For some reason, I frustrate their 'behavior analyzations'.<<

Perhaps they just are more frustrated with their sub par manipulation skills and womanly wiles?


>>They are attracted to Pook but da Pook got better things to do today than play with women, so they hope Pook is gay.<<

Well of course they do. It's either that or face the fact that they just aren't woman enough to give you reason to want to spend time with them.

>>But Pook isn't gay and it frustrates them (women demand value. When a man isn't pursuing women, women will forever mock it since the man is not giving value to THEIR existance).<<

Pook, you have to expect that some people are going to make the assumption that you're gay. You ARE able to understand and relate to women far better than most men can. Quite often those men are gay (or just fed up with how screwed up women are in today's society). The majority of women today think the world (and men) owe them something. They expect to have everything handed to them without putting forth any effort. I'll bet you're pretty old fashioned and a bit of a romantic. Who cares what other people think as long as you love the person staring at you in the mirror.

>>It's as if women can't believe that a man would engage in a form of self-improvement over women!<<

Unfortunately, you're right there. Too many people don't realize that your first and deepest love should always be self love. You build yourself and find your happiness through you. Then, perhaps you'll be fortunate enough to find a person who compliments who you already are, whose presence makes things even nicer and more enjoyable. But if you don't...it's no big deal because you wisely spent your life to please yourself rather than chasing after the chance to try to please someone else in hopes they would provide the happiness you should have been providing for yourself all along.

When were you born? I can tell you all kinds of things about your personality if you're up to putting astrology to the test. It'll take some time, though. If you are curious but don't want it posted let me know and I'll do a chart for you through e-mail.
 

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cable, your up there with Pook.
Pook, your up there with God.

Wyldfire, if you want a fourm about LTR, watch Doctor Phil on Oprah.
 

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Bump .. gonna read this later, I'm too tired right now :)
 

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I see DJ'ing as an extension of personal development. 18 months ago, I had a mild stuttering and lack of confidence with people problem. Even saying "Hi, what's going on?" to a girl would have lead to anxiety. After joining the public speaking group Toastmasters, after alot of practice with women, things are incredibly better. Developing self confidence in yourself is one of the best things that could happen to a person. Developing some balls with women doesn't just begin and end in the bedroom. Use your confidence in business, in your outlook on life, in what you think you are capable of doing.
 
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