guys are doing it wrong

[goldengoose]

I smell a lot bullsh!t in the original post. Why are you on here, OP? or you just like to tell everybody how it is so easy and that we are all nerds and stupid who can't keep up with a convo.

What's your problem? Why are you on here? Are you mad or something? Maybe if you improved your speaking skills or interacted better with girls you wouldn't be so mad. Decent looking guys shouldn't have a problem getting numbers or dates from girls when there are so many available out there. Guys mess it up when they come off as boring and can't attract them. It isn't that hard to get numbers or dates from girls. Guys make it hard on their own.

 

[goldengoose]

So are you saying guys are messing it up because we are trying to act more C&F like some one else? Or just trying to hard?
Are these girls you ask for numbers on a cold approach or have you known of each other before?
What makes you sucsessful compared to what others are doing wrong then?
Slick..

guys try too hard to impress the girl. most dont even know they're doing it. they look desperate trying to convince them that they are cool.

some use too many negs or use too much c&f or they are being fake and not real.

both. girls i meet when i'm out or girls at school or girls that i know from my social circle.

i'm getting the numbers and the dates. other guys are not.

decent looking guys shouldn't have a hard time getting numbers or dates. there are so many girls out there. i dont know why so many guys have problems. it is easy to get numbers and dates. guys mess it up on their own. they always blame the girl or dont want to improve their game. it isn't that hard to do.

 

[Zunder]

i went on 2 dates with a girl that is above a 9. 6 & 7's are easy. i get 8's a lot. they mess it up being fake. guys are making it harder than it really is

Above a 9 aye.

And you get 8's a lot.

Here's my take: Your 9 is a 7, your 8's are 5's.

One thing I have come to realise, we most definitely overestimate the quality of our successful conquests - just like sailors in a storm overestimate the size of waves by as much as 50%.

 

[goldengoose]

Above a 9 aye.

And you get 8's a lot.

Here's my take: Your 9 is a 7, your 8's are 5's.

One thing I have come to realise, we most definitely overestimate the quality of our successful conquests - just like sailors in a storm overestimate the size of waves by as much as 50%.

it seems that guys are always haters and jealous of other guys successes. They want to be that successful guy but they are not. So you try to lower the other guy somehow to make yourselves feel better in your own mind. just like you and papichulo did in these posts writing to me. Trying to make yourself feel better about a lack of your own success & hating on guys that have success. That is not a healthy way to be. It messes up your mind. You should improve yourself to be more sucessful. That is the only way you can be successful with girls. Guys that look great can get almost any girl. To keep the higher 9's & 10's they need to be successful in life have some power or status & have money to keep them. They want to be in the limelight and live the good life because they are hot and think the should have the good life. I'm working on becoming that in college right now. Which is why I probably wont be able to keep the girl i'm seeing now. she is a 9 and has money from all the work she gets & I don't have a lot of it like she is getting. Not right now anyway. I will see how it turns out. Decent looking guys can get girls too. There are so many available but guys mess it up on their own. its not hard to get numbers or dates when you go about doing it right & are real & not boring or fake.

 

[OC Speedball]

All these adivce on pick up etc. Is a training wheel to get them started on the right path and developing that mindset to get girls and have abundance, intent, charsima and congruence etc.

-Phat

THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS!

I'm sick of hearing people on here saying, "Forget all that PUA bullcrap." But the truth is, we all got our start with PUA methods whether we learned it directly or indirectly. This site wouldn't be here if it weren't for PUAs and their methods.

I'm not saying copy their lines, but everyone needs a start. If a guy sits at home and plays XBox all day and has NO idea how to talk to women than he needs to get a general idea and strategy. That is why PUA stuff is good. You don't become a good guitar player out of thin air, you become a good guitar player by listening to other guitar players. Same for picking up women.

 

[Ace_Magnamus]

it seems that guys are always haters and jealous of other guys successes. They want to be that successful guy but they are not. So you try to lower the other guy somehow to make yourselves feel better in your own mind. just like you and papichulo did in these posts writing to me. Trying to make yourself feel better about a lack of your own success & hating on guys that have success. That is not a healthy way to be. It messes up your mind. You should improve yourself to be more sucessful. That is the only way you can be successful with girls. Guys that look great can get almost any girl. To keep the higher 9's & 10's they need to be successful in life have some power or status & have money to keep them. They want to be in the limelight and live the good life because they are hot and think the should have the good life. I'm working on becoming that in college right now. Which is why I probably wont be able to keep the girl i'm seeing now. she is a 9 and has money from all the work she gets & I don't have a lot of it like she is getting. Not right now anyway. I will see how it turns out. Decent looking guys can get girls too. There are so many available but guys mess it up on their own. its not hard to get numbers or dates when you go about doing it right & are real & not boring or fake.

Well said goose....I agree......gotta feel sorry for those guys... the on lookers who never amount to much that always are pissed off at others greateness.

they are wannabe's that are afraid to be

If you start getting inner confidence on your own you really don't need PUA to get going because you already developed that into your thinking.

Guys use PUA as a crutch

Guys rely on it way too much and they wind up getting burned buy it.

Some guys pull it off but they have to master it first.

Its better to get you own game than be a copy cat because you never had any real game of your own.

it is better to be great on your own than be good imitating someone else.

that is the true meaning of keeping it real

 

[Amazing]

You would be BLOWN AWAY if you knew some of the conversations you could "get away with" with women if you're just SMOOTH about it and act like you EXPECT her to be open to talk to you. Twice now, I have literally eavesdropped on girls' cellphone conversations (one was talking about her med exams, another was talking about working at a strip club ) and used that as a conversation opener with very positive results.

You would think, "OMG that is personal! She'll think you're some creepy stalker!" Not if you're OPEN and COMFORTABLE with it. Now I'm not advocating you start eavesdropping on girls' conversations...it's situational. But what I AM advocating is learning to be "cool" with women and not EXPECTING them to freak out when you push what YOU think are "boundaries".

Can you please provide 2-3 examples of this from your personal life

 

[PapiChulo]

Sorry, dude, but your post doesn't help any body the smallest bit. It's common knowledge what you said there, so that I presume that you simply came to brag about how great you are, which makes me wonder about the true intent behind you coming on here. Which in turn insults me when you say that we do wrong. Thanks so much. Many people on here have improved themselves even before coming on here. And you simply repeat all the same sh!t all over again with no argument in it! It's bloody Internet - I could not freaking care less about a random guy on here and his success, but it's the fact that you put everyone else down that gets to me. It's about arrogance, perhaps you should express yourself better.

 

[goldengoose]

Sorry, dude, but your post doesn't help any body the smallest bit. It's common knowledge what you said there, so that I presume that you simply came to brag about how great you are, which makes me wonder about the true intent behind you coming on here. Which in turn insults me when you say that we do wrong. Thanks so much. Many people on here have improved themselves even before coming on here. And you simply repeat all the same sh!t all over again with no argument in it! It's bloody Internet - I could not freaking care less about a random guy on here and his success, but it's the fact that you put everyone else down that gets to me. It's about arrogance, perhaps you should express yourself better.

Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive to other posters threads when they make an observation. Maybe if you transformed yourself into a better man you wouldn't be so touchy about it. Not sure how you think I insulted you. I'm really confused. Nobody else is insulted with what I said. There are tons of single women out there thin, fat, ugly, average, hot, short, tall, young, old, in between. There is something for everyone. Do you not agree with that? If you are above average or average I dont see how you cannot get dates or numbers when girls are looking for guys. It is not that hard to get dates or numbers from them. You are making it more difficult than it really is. It is a true observation so I don't see how you think I insulted you by saying getting girls shouldnt be that hard for other guys to do.

 

[PapiChulo]

Its not about what you wrote in there, but rather about the delivery itself. You are also guilty of oversimplification and generalizations based on your own experience. I ve noticed a lot of posters doing that lately- cookie cutter approach and presumption.

 

[dixonnormus]

Yeah, C&F can be effective but you're better off just being chill and cool and talking to them like real people. If you can be comfortable with that, you will most likely attract some girls. Then the next step is being able to recognize that interest and have the balls to escalate.

yo, a little off topic but isn't this what people mean by "being yourself"? this is what i thought people meant when they said that. i.e. don't be fake and what zekko said. But it seems to me that everyone in these forums (who started out as afcs at some point) use to think it meant "don't try to improve/change yourself." seems interesting how everyone here started out misinterpreting this simple statement and then ended up here (this is not the only reason that sent them to google "how to get chicks" of course).

 

[goldengoose]

Sorry, dude, but your post doesn't help any body the smallest bit. It's common knowledge what you said there, so that I presume that you simply came to brag about how great you are, which makes me wonder about the true intent behind you coming on here. Which in turn insults me when you say that we do wrong. Thanks so much. Many people on here have improved themselves even before coming on here. And you simply repeat all the same sh!t all over again with no argument in it! It's bloody Internet - I could not freaking care less about a random guy on here and his success, but it's the fact that you put everyone else down that gets to me. It's about arrogance, perhaps you should express yourself better.

If you're this insulted by my observational thread I would hate to see
how insulted you get when you get rejected by a girl in person. You need to really grow a thicker skin so you dont let a thread upset you like this. I made a observation that is true so I don't know why this insults you. I think you should improve you so you dont get insulted. I think you do care about success because you would not be so mad at me for writing a true observation. A guy that is decent looking shouldnt have any problem getting numbers or dates. How is that insulting? with all the girls out there
a decent looking guy should. He messes it up on his own. How does this insult you? I dont get it.

Its not about what you wrote in there, but rather about the delivery itself. You are also guilty of oversimplification and generalizations based on your own experience. I ve noticed a lot of posters doing that lately- cookie cutter approach and presumption.

Now you twist it around to fit your own spin. You said what I wrote was insulting. Now you say the delivery. which is it? You are guilty of being way too sensitive & jealous other of guys success. Improve yourself so you wont be. This is the truth & you know it.

Ok so if you were in a room with 100 women. All ages, shapes, sizes, looks. Do you think it would be hard to get atleast 5 girls numbers or dates?

 

[zekko]

yo, a little off topic but isn't this what people mean by "being yourself"?

Welcome to the forum, Dix.

Yeah, I've always thought "Be yourself" is actually great advice.
It gets criticized a lot because if you're a weak AFC guy it doesn't seem to do you any good at face value. All that "if you keep doing the same thing, you'll keep getting the same results" business, which is true. But you have to be your best self.

Once you build your confidence and your skills, get some options, and get the right mindset, then all you're left with is being yourself really. You don't want to keep stuff like being needy and desperate, because that stuff is just your immaturity coming through. It's dead weight that will drag you down. You want to keep improving. Once you have the confidence then you can relax and be your natural self around women, not be all tense and worried about how to act to get her validation. That's what you're aiming for with "Be yourself".

Everybody has their own unique style and charm. The key is to bring it out and capitalize on it. It may not appeal to everybody, but if you get your act cleaned up and your inner game straight, a lot of women will most likely buy into it. Even if you mix in something like C&F, it will come across better if it comes out as part of your true personality, and not just some words copies out of a pickup book.

Women like confidence because:
1) It allows the man to lead the interaction and take charge of the relationship. Women want the comfort and security of being led, they want the guy to have the balls to initiate so they don't have to.
2) It allows the man to be themselves, to relax and act naturally. This again makes the woman feel comfortable and secure, as opposed to some guy being all fake, nervous, or jittery.

 

[PapiChulo]

Most girls ask me to hang out I dont even have to ask them. They usually ask me for my number. When ask them I almost always get their number or they agree to hang out. Don't know why so many guys are having problems getting numbers or dates. If you are above average you shouldn't have any problems even with some flaw in your game. Girls dig looks so that shouldn't be a problem. I think they fail because they don't know how to really talk to her because they are boring or fake with them. Really isn't too hard but guys are making it harder than it is. They mess it up on their own.

Translation:

I am very wanted by women, so I dont even have to lift a finger to score. My success rate is over 90 percent. I clearly dont understand why everybody is such a looser and is not so great as I am. If you are as good-looking as myself, you clearly dont need sosuave or to be good at the game. Girls love me, because I am pretty. Guys fail with women because they are nerds who are too nervous to talk to a woman, have nothing to say or use borrowed lines from this forum. Well, too bad, its all so easy! :yes:

 

[PapiChulo]

To add to the above, you have subtly insulted me with your assumptions in both of your last posts. Secondly, your original post is something that's been chewed up and regurgitated 100 times over, and the in-respect to delivery you sound like a pompous douche so full of himself that he has to call everybody a hater. You must be very young indeed. Ha ha

 

[goldengoose]

Translation:

I am very wanted by women, so I dont even have to lift a finger to score. My success rate is over 90 percent. I clearly dont understand why everybody is such a looser and is not so great as I am. If you are as good-looking as myself, you clearly dont need sosuave or to be good at the game. Girls love me, because I am pretty. Guys fail with women because they are nerds who are too nervous to talk to a woman, have nothing to say or use borrowed lines from this forum. Well, too bad, its all so easy! :yes:

you spelled loser wrong. If you feel like a nerd, are too nervous to talk to a woman, have nothing to say, use borrowed lines then you should imporove yourself just like I said. There is no reason to hate on other guys that can get numbers or dates with no problem. If you improve yourself you can do well. You just wanted to be a hater. Thats not cool. Decent looking guys should not have a problem getting dates or numbers with all the girls out there wanting guys. :yes:

 

[Amazing]

Look may be not everyone is good looking but that doesn't mean you aren't attractive.

My whole point is: if you are comfortable with being yourself and by extension bettering your life and growing, then there will be girls who will be attracted to you. Even if you are a dork who plays WoW 18 hours a day there is a girl out there who plays it too, and she doesn't have to be ugly.

There are BILLIONS of women, meaning there are all sorts, there are model types, gamer girls, submissive, dominant, stupid, intelligent, boring, fun, etc, you CAN find those that click with you - but if you don't know who you are and what you like and don't then of course it will seem like there are no women for you.

And once you start dating you will find out who you are even more because you have to deal with another person and that is a big thing about growing up - sharing your world with others..

We are biologically wired to connect with women, if thats not happening it's probably your own head getting in the way of your own self.



All that's left is squirrels

 

[goldengoose]

To add to the above, you have subtly insulted me with your assumptions in both of your last posts. Secondly, your original post is something that's been chewed up and regurgitated 100 times over, and the in-respect to delivery you sound like a pompous douche so full of himself that he has to call everybody a hater. You must be very young indeed. Ha ha

I think you have an inferiority complex. You are insulting yourself because you won't improve on your own. How have I insulted you? You dodge all my questions. I just called you and that other guy a hater. You're the only one that has a problem with my thread. What i said is nothing new it was only a true an observation by me. you make a big deal out of it. instead of arguing with me go out & meet some girls to get over your fears to improve yourself. You mess it up on your own then you hate guys that can get dates and numbers easy. thats not cool. that is what I'm trying to say. Its true & you know it. thats why you called me out and called me names to make yourself feel better. you're a jealous hater & it shows but that is not my fault you hate guys for what you cant do. improve yourself & you will. thats all i'm saying. dont be a hater :nono:

 

[goldengoose]

Look may be not everyone is good looking but that doesn't mean you aren't attractive.

My whole point is: if you are comfortable with being yourself and by extension bettering your life and growing, then there will be girls who will be attracted to you. Even if you are a dork who plays WoW 18 hours a day there is a girl out there who plays it too, and she doesn't have to be ugly.

There are BILLIONS of women, meaning there are all sorts, there are model types, gamer girls, submissive, dominant, stupid, intelligent, boring, fun, etc, you CAN find those that click with you - but if you don't know who you are and what you like and don't then of course it will seem like there are no women for you.

And once you start dating you will find out who you are even more because you have to deal with another person and that is a big thing about growing up - sharing your world with others..

We are biologically wired to connect with women, if thats not happening it's probably your own head getting in the way of your own self.



All that's left is squirrels

that is what i'm saying. there is a girl for every guy but guys mess it up. improve yourself & you will do well with girls in your range.

 

[Zarky]

Most girls ask me to hang out I dont even have to ask them. They usually ask me for my number. When ask them I almost always get their number or they agree to hang out. Don't know why so many guys are having problems getting numbers or dates.

That's nothing, most girls knock me to the ground and rape me when I'm walking on the street. I literally have to keep guard dogs around me 24/7 to keep the zombie-like hoards of women away from my bedroom. If I'm not careful, any woman I'm talking to with will spontaneously start to go down on me with no warning. It sounds great but it's awful, man, awful.